War of the Worlds

the end sucked definatly butt some scenes were really enjoying, for example the fight about the car was really great especially when they look outside of the restaurant window and see how the driver got shot down.
I also like that the aliens eat with their ass and the anal granade was big!
Besides that I have to admit that Tom Cruise did a quite good job this time (even though he's really not one of my favourite actors).
A lot of patriotism butt this was expected.
The kids kind of annoyed me sometimes really bad butt on the other hand they're a good stressfactor for Ray.
A minus is that no one of the main charactors died, not even the womans new friend and that the boy survived an airstrike with HUGE explotion right over his head, without getting insured.
 
AS much as I wanted to enjoy the movie, the whole experience was soured by the retarded premise. Because, see, everything remains plausible until the Aliens start dying of bacteria on a planet they've been planning things for millions of years, FOR WHATEVER REASON.

*spoil*

Not to mention that Ray's entire family survives, including his parents that were only mentioned and never appeared before the ending.

Also, how is it that the aliens destroy so much of Boston, yet Tim's neighborhood is untouched?

Everything was fine until the ending, which gayed it up.
 
Meanbean- the word "but" suggest an exception or is used to join two phrases in a sentence in way that makes a comparison or qualifies a prior sentence.

The word "butt" suggests your ass.

As for the film- I am surprised that you guys are upset abou the idea that the aliens die from biological means. That's been a consistent theme in most of the War of the Worlds films I have seen.

Taking Thorgrimm's note that the film is different from HG Well's creation, one might also say that all the War of the Worlds films changed the plot a bit and used different metaphors or images of their time. For example in the 1953 version (an all time favorite of mine, when efforts to combat the aliens collapse in the growing anarchy caused by the war, and the few survivors take shelter to await their doom in a church). http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046534/

Ok, here's a review that I saw here- - http://www.moviecitynews.com/

(other reviews on the same page)

War of the Worlds

Directed by Steven Spielberg
Paramount Pictures

Evil can't be understood, only pictured.

Which I don't believe for one split second, but in Steven Spielberg's deeply serious, relentlessly glum and pessimistic version of H. G. Wells' 1898 novel, War of the Worlds (from a screenplay credited to Jon Friedman and David Koepp), the faceless force that comes to harvest humanity, is never explained. (And they're vanquished with the same alacrity of logic as in Wells' original.) Canny entertainer, player and financier that he is, Spielberg allows that his slew of signifiers and references are meant to be contain multitudes. "There are politics underneath some of the scares, and some of the adventure and some of the fear," he's quoted by Reuters, "but I really wanted to make it suggestive enough so everybody could have their own opinion." (Or their own memory of Hitchcock's The Birds.)

"No one would have believed in the last years of the nineteenth century that this world was being watched keenly and closely by intelligences greater than man's and yet as mortal as his own," Wells writes on the opening page of his slim novel. After changing the words to "the first years of the twenty-first century," Morgan Freeman's opening narration intones tonily, that we are at the indulgence of "intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic."

The first sensation of what's been composed by the "intellects" behind War of the Worlds is that they have been generous with their paranoia and a portrait of rampaging homo sapiencide, of the mortal ecstasy and adrenaline purge of escape from inexplicable forces that do not need to know your name to erase you from the face of history. Ideal summertime viewing! The marketers at Paramount went to uncommon lengths to prevent either early reviews (other than, strangely, from Austinite glad-bag Harry Knowles) or the bootlegging of War of the Worlds, down to disallowing anything other than notebooks into previews, with even Spielberg having to check his cell phone at the New York premiere.

Once past the perfunctory set-up of Tom Cruise as our callow New Jersey working man everyman, a deadbeat dad who's tending his two children for the weekend, are an angry teenage son and superhuman little Dakota Fanning, the blonde, screen gravitational equivalent of a black hole. (She doesn't eat scenery, but as always, easily holds the camera's love with the preternatural fierceness of a rat in a drain.) Lightning strikes twenty-nine times in the same spot. Electricity fails, computers fail, cars with computerized parts fail. Cue: primal fear.

Janusz Kaminski's seldom less-than-cruddy exposures are rattily gorgeous, and he and Spielberg's brash, effortless overlapping camera technique, as assembled by Spielberg's editor since Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Michael Kahn, bestows several breathtaking setpieces. (There's a sustained take, likely aided by digital stitching, swooping around a car on a freeway that combines all manner of cleverness, for the most sophisticated use of space within the confines of a car since Fred Schepisi's underrated Last Orders.)

The form of the aliens' attack vessels and the aliens themselves are impressively drawn, but not that fear-inducing. And while the familial emotional gambits are mostly rote, the prickly sensation of being alive today is what makes this film memorable, and for several pulsing stretches, perhaps even great. Spielberg's movie whirls with suggestive bits from this decade's paranoia and the bloodstained century past. Words like "refugee" and "extermination" come readily and regularly in War, and could there be contemporary resonance in a line like "Occupations always fail-History's told us that a thousand times"?

Spielberg goes where dreams live and nightmares breed, whistling darkly over many graveyards, in images, explicit images drawn from the tenderest spots of collective consciousness. (Any other director would have gotten an NC-17 MPAA rating for the "sustained intensity" of this cut.) For some viewers and reviewers, imagery of the Holocaust and 9/11 may be sacrosanct, that popular culture should not traffic in the deepest and darkest and deadliest of our shared fears. To allude, to incorporate, to reference, is wrong.

This movie will offend them: as one colleague said afterward, he'd checked out late in the movie when a sequence evokes the terror of being among humans heaped into the cattle cars of the Nazi empire, body over body, into cattle cars on the way to the camps, the ovens, the showers, inevitable death. (Too bad the Jews, Gypsies and other victims weren't equipped with hand grenades, as War allows its piled-deep objects of slaughter.) The improvised cardboard walls of "Have you seen?" posters, fleeting to moosh in the rain, are unmistakable tatters of the weeks after 9/11, as is when Cruise emerges dusted white, dusted gray, shouldering the remains of atomized people from his exclamation-point thatch of hair. Near the end, the aliens' aim (if not their true goals) is illustrated with vile precision: the Bosch-worthy tableau of a countryside as ruby-tainted and glutinous with blood and flesh and viscera as first-hand reports and suppressed photos describe the plazas beneath the World Trade Center.

Unmoor the metaphors and many images pulse with ghastly beauty. Spielberg, as always, marshals American flag iconography with acuity; the compacted shot of Cruise's block, each house with its own Stars and Stripes in close formation and the Bayonne Bridge, a lengthy, elegant arc to the left of the frame. Consider, too: At a crossing, a runway train that is a blur of reflective silver stripes and marauding flame; a single corpse, heavy in a river, followed by a community of floaters; a post-Titanic drowning of hundreds on a toppling Hudson River ferry, with cars bounding at bodies and the camera; a crashed plane in a cul-de-sac is one of the central images of Donnie Darko built out to the size of twenty football fields; retreating solider-filled Humvees swathed in incandescent orange, as if napalmed at Fallujah; strips of clothes of the dead ribboning to the ground in a soft float like office paper commuting into Brooklyn and the other borughs, and the sea, on that particular, severe clear Tuesday morning.

It'd make some double feature with George A. Romero's Land of the Dead: despite the ostensible "happy ending," the survivors of the rampage of destruction across the planet will be left with the kinds of moral issues art (and society) have not yet begun to address. It's optimistic only in suggesting that some humans will live to suffer another day, an open-ended horror like that described in James Howard Kunstler's compelling but relentless and ultimately despairing "The Long Emergency," a nonfiction polemic that projects what will come twenty to fifty years from now, when the efforts necessary to continue our suburban and oil-driven lifestyle will clash with development in other countries and the finite resources of nature and how nature will inevitably strike back.

Like movies made by Spielberg's pal Robert Zemeckis, movies like Forrest Gump and Castaway, any abiding value in War of the Worlds may lie in its allusions, and its reluctance to make its metaphors crystalline. Read several reviews of War of the Worlds, and in the hurtling deadline of a few hours that critics faced, and you will get an intriguing picture of instant reactions, the sort of snap judgment the average intelligent moviegoer has after a movie over a burger or a beer, ranging from the atypical lack of certitude in A. O. Scott's New York Times' notice, or Roger Ebert's pique at the Erector-set character of the invaders and the illogic of their tactics, taking on neither metaphor nor Spielberg's disturbing and potentially inflammatory imagery. In the hands of a shrewd filmmaker, we sometimes take away more of ourselves than we do of wisps of narrative logic.
 
Gee Welsh, do you ever actually watch movies?

As for the film- I am surprised that you guys are upset abou the idea that the aliens die from biological means. That's been a consistent theme in most of the War of the Worlds films I have seen.

Only, it's implausible in this case, because there's no reason why the Aliens wouldn't have checked for deadly contagions.
 
I'd think that would be the first thing to look for...

Though it would rather be implausible for our enviroment to be deadly to them unless no bacteria existed at all in their enviroment. This is because the differing body chemistry and DNA of the species should be so alien to the bacteria that it would have difficulty even mutltipying in such adverse conditions.
 
In the book there were no Martian microbes. The assumption has to be made, then, that the aliens live in a similarly sterile society.
 
I went to War of the Worlds tonight and I thought it was great! It had awesome special effects of course, and I thought the mix of comedy,drama, and action was well put. Either way, its a must see for all sci-fi fans :).
 
Yes, I do go to the movies- but usually only to cheap theatres ($8 bucks for a flick is kind of high) or I'll wait for the video/HBO to show it.

As for War of the Worlds-

Actually, you might be assuming the Martians are even thinking about the danger of microbes. Perhaps they are not simply because they have never experienced this threat before. Because they have not considered it, they don't anticipate the danger.

This goes back to the maxim- it's not the things you fear that you need to worry about, it's the things you don't know you should fear, and that is what usually gets you.

Alternatively, there is a possibility that one species from one world-wide ecological system could not live in another. The great variety of differences that exist between different systems are such that species might not be able to move to different worlds to colonize.

Consistent with an idea of the colonization of the new world, except instead of the colonizers bringing the virus to the Indians, it's the colonizers who get hit with the virus. That would be consistent with the colonization of tropics (the fever islands of the West Indies or even the coastal regions of tropical Africa- where penicillin and air condition give Europeans a better chance of life than it used to).
 
Actually, you might be assuming the Martians are even thinking about the danger of microbes. Perhaps they are not simply because they have never experienced this threat before. Because they have not considered it, they don't anticipate the danger.

The thing is, though, whether or not the Martians considered it is besides the point. Welles establishes Mars as a dying planet, so for the Martians, the invasion was a do-or-die situation.
 
Whether it was poor planning or not, the ending sucked mountains of ass far greater than even Lucas can pull off. It was a movie with a direction to a point that didn't exist. Kinda like Matrix Reloaded, except there isn't a planned sequel.
 
Unfortunatly most of you are missing the point that this movie is not war of the worlds anymore than quorn is steak. Sure, it looks like WOTW and could be mistaken by a casual but uninformed observer for WOTW but it just isn't. Hopefully most of you will have read the book, those who haven't, i can't hate you for liking the film on its own, but if you were a real fan you'd at least consider the work that started it.

Many people i know unfortunatly have the philosophy of "What can you learn from a book that you can't get from TV or film faster?" The book is brilliant and its not even particularily long - 182 pages. The film jsut doesn't do it justice! You may think i'm just a stick in the mud for the literal visions that i get from book being made into film, but its not the same.

Sure some of the concepts are the same, and quite possibly the premise is similar, but its just been twisted out of proportion. As my dad always has said to me - we've already had war of the worlds in independence day, cept that time it was a computer virus. Still, when you've ass raped the genius this much its saddening.

Personally i reckon you'd all be better off buy a copy of Jeff Wayne's musical version, or better yet finding the original broadcast of 38 that sent the yanks into a state of panic. You want spine chilling heroicism ... listen to the fall of the thunderchild or the martian screams of OOuuuuuLllaaaa.

Still, like the book was a kick in the ass for british imperialism and empireness, this kinda is similar for america - like the first film no matter how much weaponry you can throw at it as they want but you're still gonna get wasted.
 
I listened to the radio messages from 1938, but it's hard to make out what they're saying. I got bored and just stopped listening. Still waiting for the "OOOOLAAAAA".
 
Why do people "overthink" movies? It's a Spielberg film and not only that , it's during the summer time! It's a summer Blockbuster. It doesn't require thinking, or watching it a second time, or really paying attention. It's purpose is to entertain the mindless hordes of teenybobbers and adrenaline junkies all across the world who want well know actors, CG, explosions, and death. Yes it might rape H.G Wells classic, but does anyone want a re-hash of the same movie? Why did the aliens not think about the bacteria?? Who cares! Thats like asking "where did the people of Zion in Matrix put all their feces and piss when they are already underground." Watch it in theaters or on DVD, it's decent.
 
Why do people ever distinguish good from bad? Why do people say "This could have been done better"? Why do they value quality? Why do they even care?

Why can't everyone just think everything is great??
 
Per said:
Why do people ever distinguish good from bad? Why do people say "This could have been done better"? Why do they value quality? Why do they even care?

Why can't everyone just think everything is great??

...maybe, because we need talented and witty authors to go and write things like reviews and walkthroughs filled with bloated opinions most of which are simply judgements on how or why something is better or worse.

:wink: ,
The Vault Dweller
 
Per, I take the question is rhetorical.

We have to judge because the human mind works, in part through analogy. ANd before we understood things empirically, we judged by what was best and worst. This goes back to Aristotle, I think, and the division between the questions-
"What is this?"
Vs
"What is best?"

Arguably, one cannot exist without both questions- at least if you want to have a civilization.

Finally saw this last night at the cheap theatre. Overall I was kind of pleased and kind of disappointed.

Pleased- I liked the aliens a lot, I liked the tripods, I liked the carnage. Enjoyed the ferry boat scene. Enjoyed the aliens coming out of the ground scene.

Whether or not this paid enough homage to Wells original, don't know. I would have have enjoyed seeing that done as a movie, but I doubt it would sell.

Honestly, I didn't think about it.

Disappointment. Mostly with Tom Cruise as the lead and with Spielberg for missed opportunities. Cruise just didn't sell the part. Too dramatic and blue color for him. I could have seen Ed Harris play this better. Which got me thinking about what other actors could have played this part. Remember he's a divorced dad with two kids, one of which is in his late teens. Possible that Tom Cruise is Dad? maybe. But didn't buy it. The scene where Tom is trying to stop his son from going off to fight the aliens- unbelievable.

Tension of when they were hiding out in the basement with Tim Robbins- didn't work as well as it could have. The searching Alien eyeball reminded me of the Abyss (which was a better movie). Which made me wonder why James Cameron didn't do this movie, and whether he would have done it better.

That the alien ships seem to eat people, I kind of liked that.

But I would have preferred to see the Aliens more busy herding people to their doom. I would have liked to see more process in the Aliens design- rational evil works better than chaotic evil.

So I thought a lot of drama just didn't work out as well as it could have- Spielberg seemed to miss opportunities.

Yes, and the end sucked, but not as bad as I thought it would.

I just didn't buy it. It didn't thrill me as it should have. I blame Tom Cruise.

Worth $3? Yeah. But that's about it.
 
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