What do you think of Kellogg?

He's probably fo4's most memorable character. Aside from piper but she's mostly memorable as a moira Brown ripoff but way hotter.

Abd to continue that shit cereal joke:

I prefer cinnamon toast crunch.
 
R.Graves said:
He's probably fo4's most memorable character. Aside from piper but she's mostly memorable as a moira Brown ripoff but way hotter.

Abd to continue that shit cereal joke:

I prefer cinnamon toast crunch.
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No the most memorable is Curie because she's a fuckable robot.
 
Kellogg is a missed opportunity.
I've said before I don't mind the whole Cyborg angle to the story and I feel that Kellogg could have been good at giving us that story.

We could have got the question of is it ethical to turn someone into a cyborg?
Is he really being controlled by a higher force?

The memory thing is something I don't object to, it was at least written better than the rest of the game and had some nice set pieces.

But even then, it's overshadowed by lazy characterisation.

I really just thing he was a missed opportunity to tell a better story.
 
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Kellog's the most developed character out of anyone (including SS) in fo4, but then again, that's not a fucking huge leap and bound, more like a step up the stairs and saying "Welp, I tried". The fact he's not a companion is fucking idiotic, since I'm sure most players would probably be fond of him and his wastelander experience, someone who's very neutral and shows both sides of the coin. If only they didn't hamstring him to a terrible plot of "hurr I kill ur wief/huzbend durr", which for someone as experienced as him, living for so fucking long as an expert mercenary, only makes the entire scene of him killing SS's wife/husband even more idiotic than it was before.

Hell, at least an option to talk to him and both accept the fact what happened was dumb and not kill each other would've been a good sign of improvement on Bethesderp's part, but NOPE GOTTA KILL CEREAL BOX MANG!
 
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Zerginfestor said:
Kellog's the most developed character out of anyone (including SS) in fo4, but then again, that's not a fucking huge leap and bound, more like a step up the stairs and saying "Welp, I tried". The fact he's not a companion is fucking idiotic, since I'm sure most players would probably be fond of him and his wastelander experience, someone who's very neutral and shows both sides of the coin. If only they didn't hamstring him to a terrible plot of "hurr I kill ur wief/huzbend durr", which for someone as experienced as him, living for so fucking long as an expert mercenary, only makes the entire scene of him killing SS's wife/husband even more idiotic than it was before.
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I was hoping he'd be a companion as well. It would've been an interesting take to have a character who was previously a main antagonist become your companion and a potentially close friend. It would also open up some new options for the player on how to deal with the Institute since Kellogg knows the ins and outs of the place and such.
 
FalloutFan85 said:
A boring character who you hardly have any interaction with outside of when you have to kill him. How is he a "badass"? What did he do that was "badass" in the entire game?
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Exactly. If he was a companion and fleshed out, he can have fucking stories about his survival in the wasteland, maybe some insight on the creatures, especially the tough ones like Mirelurk Queens, Behemoths, Deathclaws, etc. Maybe make a playful jabs at the insects and state "What, Stingwings? They're alright, not so bad....Cazadors on the other hand...if death ever had a spirit animal, it's fucking Cazadors.."
 
Arnust said:
Badly executed Benny
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I would hardly even say executed, I can just imagine Emil starting to write his silly fanfiction when all of a sudden he slumps in his chair becoming lazy as having to write a character is hard. He looks at what he wrote and whines about having to use his brain so he heads over to someplace to view some poorly done Fallout fanfic to gather some "inspiration". It is then that he finds what he was looking for all along, a tragic family story for the evil bad guy, "THIS is what I was looking for, this looks good" Emil exclaims as he writes it down on a crumbled up piece of paper.
 
FalloutFan85 said:
A boring character who you hardly have any interaction with outside of when you have to kill him. How is he a "badass"? What did he do that was "badass" in the entire game?
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He's bald, unshaven and has a really big gun. He has the nicest looking armor in the early game. Plus he talks in kind of a whispery growl. Did I mention the huge gun?

The only thing that could possibly make him more badass would be to give him two guns. And a trenchcoat. Barechested underneath. Definitely pants though, because otherwise he'd just be a flasher, which is more creepy than badass.

Then, during the vault scene (and remember, he's got his pants on), he pulls out both huge pistols, flexes his pecs, and does a flip-roll while firing both guns at your spouse. Maybe with some bullet-time. Yeah, that would be even more bad-ass.
 
omphaloskepsis said:
He's bald, unshaven and has a really big gun.
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He had a gun when he was a child too, that makes him even more badass right?


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Seriously though it's a checklist.

  • Abusive dad - Check
  • Timid mother - Check
  • Big gun - Check
  • Shaven/bald head - Check
  • Family murdered - Check
  • Killed family's killers in revenge - Check
  • Kills people for money - Check
  • Takes out tough enemies with one shot - Check
  • Kills unarmed, unthreatening people for no reason - Check
  • Gravelly voice - Check
  • Spouts "deep" quotes about monsters and losing happiness 'n' shit - Check
  • Has big facial scar - Check

EDIT: I can't believe I forgot scars.
 
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Prone Squanderer said:
He had a gun when he was a child too, that makes him even more badass right?


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Seriously though it's a checklist.

  • Abusive dad - Check
  • Timid mother - Check
  • Big gun - Check
  • Shaven/bald head - Check
  • Family murdered - Check
  • Killed family's killers in revenge - Check
  • Kills people for money - Check
  • Takes out tough enemies with one shot - Check
  • Kills unarmed, unthreatening people for no reason - Check
  • Gravelly voice - Check
  • Spouts "deep" quotes about monsters and losing happiness 'n' shit - Check
  • Has big facial scar - Check

EDIT: I can't believe I forgot scars.
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They forgot to give him huge muscles and a ton of c00l "2 deep 4 you" tattoos, you also forgot to add cybernetically enhanced to make him "more badass".

You know Kellogg reminds me of this:

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Silly, poorly written fanfic.
 
I'm not a fan of cornflakes-like cereal though Kellogg's Frosties are a guilty pleasure I don't mind taking every now and then.

As for the character, a somewhat fleshed out but ultimately dull and flat character that wore dull cliches like it was going out of fashion. By somewhat, I mean that he gets a backstory that is shown in-game.

The Memory Den at least gave him character albeit the typical violent, grizzled and angst-filled mercenary that we see so often these days.
  • Oh, he had a bad childhood that affected him as an adult.
  • Oh, he was given a big gun at a young age to justify his 'skill' with guns.
  • Oh, he speaks in a grizzled macho whisper and as @Prone Squanderer notes, he has a scar.
  • Oh, he had a family that was lost to some tragedy that affected him.
  • Oh, he became a merc that kills for monetary gain.
  • Oh, he joins an 'evil' organisation because they need someone of his 'skills'.
  • Oh, he kills your spouse to make some motivation in an open-world RPG that encourages you to ignore the story.
  • Oh, he suddenly feels some guilt about this one job all because of his past.
  • Oh, he gets killed off in an anti-climatic way with only one outcome allowed due to shit writing.
I can think of quite a number of characters that are similar to Kellogg but are far better written. In fact, one could find even better examples via a quick search on TV Tropes. I guess Bethesda thought they could make a Benny-like character for FO4 that would be memorable but rather than be creative about it, they made yet another violent, grizzled and angst-filled mercenary.
 
Prone Squanderer said:
Randall Clark, Joshua Graham, Boone and Ranger Stella are badass. Kellogg is meant to be but he just doesn't cut it.
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It's hard to make anyone feel badasss in bethesda's games because their worlds are so unbelievable. Someone whose story is all about subtlety and actual gritty conflict like Randall doesn't fit in, in Fallout 4's world of some guy waking up from cyro sleep 200 years later and immediately downs a Deathclaw 1 on 1 and starts fucking cute French robots while occasionally saying he misses his family.
 
He's one of the most developed characters in Fallout 4, and he's still an incredibly generic character.

Beyond being a thug with a silly name who was awkwardly written to appear sympathetic using tired tropes, there isn't really anything else that's interesting about Kellogg. I didn't feel anything for him or his stupid family (which he was responsible for getting killed). I think the fact that Bethesda made from the Hub was only done as fan service for people like us who criticize them. And him being 100 year old cyborg is Bethesda Cool Shit™ 101. A cool idea that isn't explored in any real depth. And there's infinitely cooler characters than him. Give me Joshua Graham any day over this turd any day!

I also take issue with the fact that you can't do anything except kill the fucker and steal a part of his brain. The Memory Den mission was cool in concept, but I hate how there's no way to get Kellogg's memories without killing him. If this was New Vegas or any of the other Fallout games, you would get the opportunity to spare him, or maybe even form allegiances with him.

Also, does anybody else think that Kellogg being virtually immortal is incredibly contradictory with Farther having cancer? The Institute can use its advanced technology to extend someone's lifespan for over 100 years and maintain their fitness, but Shaun is doomed to die of cancer at age 60? And cancer has basically been cured in the Fallout universe when you factor in ghouls and super mutants. The Institute INVENTED its own strain of super mutants and experimented with FEV!
 
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Speaking of Kellogg; is there a transcript of the NCR radio broadcast that we hear a portion of while going through Kellogg's memories?
 
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