What does "War Never Changes" mean to you?

[Akratus]

Did you guys know that the buddhist god of war only uses war as a last resort? I'm not a hundred percent sure that it was the regular buddhist one but a god like that.

I think the guy was role playing.

Guess again. War is natural, it is a fundamental behaviour among humans and is completely expected. Countless times have so-called "utopias" been proven to be unstable and deceptive. In fact, many countries and its people worship war and thank it at least one day a year, thanking it for giving its people freedom, respect, dignity and honour. All you would not have with just peace.

And I bet you formed this opinion over your long years of military experience.

 

[Josan12]

The OP's question is a good one, i think, as it's quite a vague statement and very open to interpretation.

'War. War never changes'

To me it's like saying war is humanity's oldest companion and has been with us, and will be with us for a long time. I feel like you could replace the word war with various other base human instincts - like

'Greed. Greed never changes'

As someone pointed out earlier in this thread - NV seems to emphasize greed more than the other FO games and quite appropriately, as it is, IMO, greed that is currently tearing western society apart. War and greed normally go together, but not always.

Guess again. War is natural, it is a fundamental behaviour among humans and is completely expected. Countless times have so-called "utopias" been proven to be unstable and deceptive. In fact, many countries and its people worship war and thank it at least one day a year, thanking it for giving its people freedom, respect, dignity and honour. All you would not have with just peace.

It's kindof scary to me how many opinions in this thread say something like this - 'war is great!'. Then again, we are talking about video games here!!
War is not great - but supposedly young men often *think* it is: until they actually experience it, that is.

 

[Atomkilla]

Yes. And another good deal of technological advances were built for peaceful purposes. All of the advancements tend to arise to solve a problem. Winning wars is just one set of them.

Of course, I don't deny that.
But war is still important, after all. Horrible, but important.

There are lots of other ways in which selection works.

Well, I did say war was "one of the methods".

It's kindof scary to me how many opinions in this thread say something like this - 'war is great!'. Then again, we are talking about video games here!!
War is not great - but supposedly young men often *think* it is: until they actually experience it, that is.

I don't think anyone aside from EnclaveForever here thinks war is great.
Lots of us agree that war and violence are inherent part of human nature, culture etc. but that's not the same as saying it is great.

 

[BonusWaffle]

You cant have humanity without war. its an essential part of how we function. Which is why the nukes will inevitably drop once we run out of poor countries to bully around

 

[EnclaveForever]

And I bet you formed this opinion over your long years of military experience.

What about you then? Have you performed enough duty to form an opinion that war isn't the right thing to do?

Just because I have a difference of an opinion, doesn't mean I need something you don't have.

 

[woo1108]

Did you experienced war?
my counrty is in war, and it's really sucks, actually in armistice though.
Dictators using this for justify thier dictation, using this situation for use civilian as cheap slave(not actually but nearly a slave), nullyfying opposite opinion(it sounds really odd but in Korea, McCarthyism is still in use WTF is going on my contry??) and other evil things are happening.
war? it's really horrible thing, it plays only bad role.

 

[Walpknut]

Look at his avatar, signature, name and the type of stuff he posts.... why do you take this guy seriously? he is obviously trolling or role playing.

 

[Oppen]

I think the guy was role playing.

Guess again. War is natural, it is a fundamental behaviour among humans and is completely expected. Countless times have so-called "utopias" been proven to be unstable and deceptive. In fact, many countries and its people worship war and thank it at least one day a year, thanking it for giving its people freedom, respect, dignity and honour. All you would not have with just peace.

The fact human nature is a failure doesn't mean war is any more rational. It only means humans are not.
Also, my guess about you role playing was, as I quoted, to your defense of genocide, not to your defense of war.

Yes. And another good deal of technological advances were built for peaceful purposes. All of the advancements tend to arise to solve a problem. Winning wars is just one set of them.

Of course, I don't deny that.
But war is still important, after all. Horrible, but important.

I don't deny it is important, I deny it is good. It might have some good consequences, but it is not at all a good thing itself.

 

[EnclaveForever]

Look at his avatar, signature, name and the type of stuff he posts.... why do you take this guy seriously? he is obviously trolling or role playing.

Could say the same for you.

 

[Akratus]

Indeed. I can never stand Walpkuts tirades concerning his lizard monarchy, ruled by his kinghood with an iron fist.

 

[Surf Solar]

The world would be pretty depressing without war, I could only imagine how far back in regards to technology we would be without it. I mostly see war as a form of "cleansing" and to me it sounds much more rational than reproduction, sexuality, ethics, morals and tolerance combined. War seems to be our only natural method of selection and therefore is essential for the survival of the human race.

Why don't you go to one of the numerous glorious wars still raging at the moment for dat "cleansing" you speak about, if it is so noble?

 

[Akratus]

Come on man, didn't you know that the middle east is the center of enlightenment and peace, all thanks to friendly warfare?

 

[zegh8578]

Come on man, didn't you know that the middle east is the center of enlightenment and peace, all thanks to friendly warfare?

It's being cleansed of civilians

 

[Walpknut]

Indeed. I can never stand Walpkuts tirades concerning his lizard monarchy, ruled by his kinghood with an iron fist.

Stand down mammal, for the time of the Raptor and CYRANO the raptor king is upon us. Laugh all you want, soon you'll be shaking in your boots when the Raptore comes.

 

[Atomkilla]

OH NO

IT'S THE RAPTOR KING

Dromaeosauridae will rule the day!


Seriously though, EnclaveForever, would you elaborate more?

 

[BonusWaffle]

Come on man, didn't you know that the middle east is the center of enlightenment and peace, all thanks to friendly warfare?

Just want to point out that europe has a very rich history of killing the shit out of itself at every opportunity.

 

[Akratus]

Yes, but then we stopped killing eachother and started to go to other places to kill people there and take their stuff.

War doesn't do shit. Imperialism all the way dude.

 

[EnclaveForever]

Seriously though, EnclaveForever, would you elaborate more?

What is there more to elaborate on? Conflict brings the best out of humans, the more intense and serious the conflict, the greater the expression of one's true nature.

Until humans are able to pass their state of pyschosexual development and see a greater purpose than that of replacing their current generation with a new suicidal flock, then death is extremely essential to our survival, war brings death, so does disease, therefore almost anything that brings upon death is highly beneficial to the cognitive and intellectual development of our species. The truly intelligent and superior human life forms would have avoided or at least tried greatly at avoiding their death, while the others would continue to conduct actions that only further decrease their life expectancy. It is best to just stand back and observe the other lesser beings correct their own existence.

One of the best forms of natural selection out there is sexually transmitted diseases. Unless it is against one's will, there really isn't any rational reason to copulate (if you argue we need reproduction to survive, then just use artificial insemination).

Anyway, not trying to derail the thread here, was just an elaboration. I can understand why some of you may see this as merely "role playing", but I assure you these opinions are very real and genuine, even if they may be controversial and or uncomfortable to read.

 

[Oppen]

Yes, but then we stopped killing eachother and started to go to other places to kill people there and take their stuff.

You never know if you are talking with Emmet fucking Brown. The guy might go to the dark ages to get a glimpse of war, old school style.

 

[DarkCorp]

To me, its about the duality of man, primarily, conflict.

On the one hand, it keeps humanity fresh, out of stagnation. Whether it come in the form of competition or ambition, it forces us to set our goals ever higher. If humanity was satisfied with only the simple things, we would not have innovation and progress.

Conflict is the primary vehicle for change.

The nature of conflict, in its relation to humanity, means that there will always be a hierarchy of sorts. Those who are more intelligent, or ambitious or crafty, will always take a higher position than others who are not.

Conflict, on a global scale, is usually settled through diplomacy or force. More often than not, it means war. It hasn't changed since the days of Sumeria and older and it won't change anytime soon.