What is the proper solution to Tenpenny Tower

Wow... I totally forgot about that.

So what was the point of Project Purity when all you needed was a tower in the middle of nowhere then?

It's okay to hate Bethesda's handling of Fallout but I've got to say some of the arguments are just plain ridiculous.

"Why do we need freshwater lakes and clean groundwater when we have bottled water?"

That's literally the argument this line of criticism makes.

It's like the idea of going from boiling water for every drink to having a reservoir of fresh water isn't worth it.
 
It's okay to hate Bethesda's handling of Fallout but I've got to say some of the arguments are just plain ridiculous.

"Why do we need freshwater lakes and clean groundwater when we have bottled water?"

That's literally the argument this line of criticism makes.

It's like the idea of going from boiling water for every drink to having a reservoir of fresh water isn't worth it.
Why didn't they use the GECK and purified the entire area where the water spring is? Providing clean water forever without the need for a purifier that requires power 24 hours a day and can explode in a deadly radiation blast?

This would be possible because of how Bethesda changed the GECK, which they specifically say it disassembles matter and reassembles it back into clean, alive and non-radioactive for the area.
The G.E.C.K. will collapse all matter within its given radius and recombine it to form a living, breathing, fertile virgin landscape and allow life to begin anew
Purifying the water source would make it permanently clean, no need to have a pool of water at the end of the river that constantly needs a purifier to keep it clean, it would also make pure water run all the extent of the river, so fauna and flora would also benefit of clean water for miles along the river.

I also still don't know how they manage to keep the water pool clean, since it is connected to the ocean, and we know the ocean is also quite radiated. I doubt the purifier can clean the ocean too :lmao:.
 
Why didn't they use the GECK and purified the entire area where the water spring is? Providing clean water forever without the need for a purifier that requires power 24 hours a day and can explode in a deadly radiation blast?

Isn't that what they do? They hook up the GECK to make it work.

This would be possible because of how Bethesda changed the GECK, which they specifically say it disassembles matter and reassembles it back into clean, alive and non-radioactive for the area.

Which would be awesome were not it is.....river. Which brings new water into a location.

Purifying the water source would make it permanently clean, no need to have a pool of water at the end of the river that constantly needs a purifier to keep it clean, it would also make pure water run all the extent of the river, so fauna and flora would also benefit of clean water for miles along the river.

Yeah, awesome were it a static location like the GECK was meant to be. Mind you, the Fallout Bible explictly says the Tribals of the Chosen Ones were fools who believed the GECK was more powerful than it was.

I also still don't know how they manage to keep the water pool clean, since it is connected to the ocean, and we know the ocean is also quite radiated. I doubt the purifier can clean the ocean too :lmao:.

That's literally its whole purpose to purfiy all the water which flows into it, making a clean basin beyond what flows from the ocean.

You know what rivers are awesome for? Purifying ocean water to be drinkable.

Why it's called....freshwater.
 
Isn't that what they do? They hook up the GECK to make it work.
No, the GECK does not need hook up to work. The GECK is a self sufficient terraforming device. It doesn't need some computer and a water tank to work.
Which would be awesome were not it is.....river. Which brings new water into a location.
I said water spring. You purify the spring, all the water will be clean. I mean, the river is flowing, it never rains in Fallout 3, so the water has to come from some kind of natural spring, maybe a subterranean water source or something. Purify that source and you get clean water.
If there was no source of water, then the purifier would also not get any water to be purified, the river would be dry.
Yeah, awesome were it a static location like the GECK was meant to be. Mind you, the Fallout Bible explictly says the Tribals of the Chosen Ones were fools who believed the GECK was more powerful than it was.
What does the Bible has to do with Fallout 3 GECK. Fallout and Fallout 2 GECKs were mostly an assortment of survival guides, seeds, some chemicals to remove radiation from soil, a portable reactor and some codes for the vault replicators.
But Fallout 3 specifically changes what a GECK is. As I mentioned above, they changed it into a magic matter disassembler and assembler, that when it assembles the matter, it is radiation free:
Fallout 3 said:
The G.E.C.K. will collapse all matter within its given radius and recombine it to form a living, breathing, fertile virgin landscape and allow life to begin anew
And that is the problem, they changed teh GECK to be so powerful that it can magically fix an entire area making it non-radioactive, "breathing, living, fertile virgin landscape to begin life anew.". If the GECK now does that, what is the point of using it for a water purifier? You can purify soil, plants, water, air, etc just by using the GECK. Do it at the water source and the river will flow without radiation, afetr a while, due to the river flowing, it will take most or all radioactive particles in the rivers path to the sea, purifying the entire extent of the river.

There is no way they could make a purifier in Fallout 3 if they used the GECK as they were in classic Fallout games. So I have no idea why you're pulling classic Fallout GECKs in this argument. :confused:
 
The GECK terraforms one small patch of land and is done.

Also we never get it explained how and why the GECK is necessary to Project: Purity. Just that it is. For all we know, James just needs a fuse from it.
 
The GECK terraforms one small patch of land and is done.
If the GECK would purify a small patch of land it would be useless. Remember that the GECK is made to allow an entire settlement to be established in the area purified by the GECK. It is also not land that it purifies, it is everything in the are, including water, plants and air.
This is what Stanislaus Braun says about the GECK:
The Garden of Eden Creation Kit. It was for terraforming, for restoring the world after a nuclear disaster.
Restoring the WORLD! Of course it wouldn't restore the whole world, but it was to be used to do it. It even sounds like it can be used several times, instead of being one use only.
It makes sense it would purify a settlement sized area though. If it can be used multiple times, then it is even more stupid to use it only in a water purifier.
This is what James say about it:
To be honest, the GECK sounded like pure fantasy, even for someone of Braun's capabilities. It was nothing short of a miracle. A terra-forming module, capable of producing life from complete lifelessness. But not only was this thing a reality, it was actually distributed to several vaults to be used after an atomic war.

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Why would he use this miracle device to get a fuse?
 
If the GECK would purify a small patch of land it would be useless. Remember that the GECK is made to allow an entire settlement to be established in the area purified by the GECK. It is also not land that it purifies, it is everything in the are, including water, plants and air.
This is what Stanislaus Braun says about the GECK:

Restoring the WORLD! Of course it wouldn't restore the whole world, but it was to be used to do it. It even sounds like it can be used several times, instead of being one use only.
It makes sense it would purify a settlement sized area though. If it can be used multiple times, then it is even more stupid to use it only in a water purifier.
This is what James say about it:


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Why would he use this miracle device to get a fuse?

'Cause it seems there's only three in entire game
 
I wish I remembered where I read the description of how the "terraforming blast" was described but it wasn't as impressive as people described. It basicallt turned an area of irradiated land into fertile land and then contained all the stuff from the original Fallout Bible description of the GECK. SO it was mostly seeds, education on how to use them, plus the weird energy blast that turned irradiated land good for about a mile or so.

BTW, the Unused Information on Fallout 3 is awesome.

https://tcrf.net/Fallout_3/Unused_Notes#MQ08Vault87OverseersTerminalBraunAttachmentA

Congratulations!

Vault 87 has been chosen as one of the very few select Vaults to receive a genuine G.E.C.K. The device was delivered before final sealing of the Vault and installed into its secure pedestal by our special

G.E.C.K. Scramble Team. I'd like to extend my best wishes to you and all of your population. Your survival will ensure the continuation of the human race, and to carry the Vault-Tec name into the future.

Doctor Stanislaus Braun Director, Societal Preservation Program Vault-Tec Corporation

The G.E.C.K. is, quite simply, the most advanced piece of technology ever developed by Vault-Tec -- a terra-forming module capability of creating life from complete lifelessness. After riding out the storm of nuclear Armageddon in a Vault-Tec patented vault, residents can then activate the G.E.C.K., and create a new earthen paradise – craters and dust will give way to rolling grasslands and sparkling clear water. Of course, due to time and monetary constraints, not every vault will be equipped with a G.E.C.K. module.

Lots of stuff on the Vaults, Glowing Ones, Feral Ghouls, and more. Good lore writing IMHO.
 
"Why do we need freshwater lakes and clean groundwater when we have bottled water?"
Well, I could argue that if Tenpenny Tower had a working water purifier and can supply people for over 200 hundred years, all that would be needed for the CW is for the people in the CW to storm Tenpenny Tower and make the plot of 3 redundant.

Plus @Risewild did point out the pointlessness of hooking up a GECK to a purifier when all one needs is to activate the GECK to use its magic terraforming powers to purify the Washington Basin.

The Vault wiki excuses 3's GECK as being a unique GECK but I am more inclined to believe that the writers for 3 wanted something magical rather than the mundane GECK in actual canon.
https://fallout.gamepedia.com/Garden_of_Eden_Creation_Kit
 
Well, I could argue that if Tenpenny Tower had a working water purifier and can supply people for over 200 hundred years, all that would be needed for the CW is for the people in the CW to storm Tenpenny Tower and make the plot of 3 redundant.

How many people do you think a hotel water purifier can serve? Mind you, you can't complain about Fallout 3's plot without complaining about Fallout 1. After all, if the Wasteland has water then why do you need a water chip?

Plus @Risewild did point out the pointlessness of hooking up a GECK to a purifier when all one needs is to activate the GECK to use its magic terraforming powers to purify the Washington Basin.

The Vault wiki excuses 3's GECK as being a unique GECK but I am more inclined to believe that the writers for 3 wanted something magical rather than the mundane GECK in actual canon.
https://fallout.gamepedia.com/Garden_of_Eden_Creation_Kit

Honestly, I think they were just mixing and matching elements.

Why didn't they just have James want a Vault Water Chip?
 
How many people do you think a hotel water purifier can serve? Mind you, you can't complain about Fallout 3's plot without complaining about Fallout 1. After all, if the Wasteland has water then why do you need a water chip?
To be fair in 1, you could hire water caravans to go the Vault to alleviate the problem somewhat. The notion I can come up to why this is only a temporary solution is that the caravans would not be sufficient enough to keep the Dwellers alive (iirc, their route is rather long and maybe the Overseer intends to seal off the Vault again to limit exposure to the outside).

As for 3, the purifer could serve plenty based on how long the Tower has existed (again that 200 years time-skip issue). Maybe a small town worth based on how long Tenpenny Tower had lasted.

Vault Water Chip?
I guess they wanted to purify the Basin even though it would be easier to create a brand new source of water via Water Chip.
 
To be fair in 1, you could hire water caravans to go the Vault to alleviate the problem somewhat. The notion I can come up to why this is only a temporary solution is that the caravans would not be sufficient enough to keep the Dwellers alive (iirc, their route is rather long and maybe the Overseer intends to seal off the Vault again to limit exposure to the outside).

There's also the fact it leads the Master's army to them but the player can't know that.

As for 3, the purifer could serve plenty based on how long the Tower has existed (again that 200 years time-skip issue). Maybe a small town worth based on how long Tenpenny Tower had lasted.

Serving 20 people indefinitely for 200 years is different from serving 2000 people for 1 year. You can do one with a water purifier and not necessarily the latter.

I guess they wanted to purify the Basin even though it would be easier to create a brand new source of water via Water Chip.

My assumption is they plan to use the Basin as a basis for creating irrigation canals to turn the surrounding land into food sources.
 
The Vault wiki excuses 3's GECK as being a unique GECK but I am more inclined to believe that the writers for 3 wanted something magical rather than the mundane GECK in actual canon.
Which is the wiki being stupid as usual. I quoted James where he says that the "magical" GECK was supplied to "several Vaults". So even the game is saying that more than one vault got that special GECK.
So I don't know where the wiki people thinks there was only one.
James said:
To be honest, the GECK sounded like pure fantasy, even for someone of Braun's capabilities. It was nothing short of a miracle. A terra-forming module, capable of producing life from complete lifelessness. But not only was this thing a reality, it was actually distributed to several vaults to be used after an atomic war.
 
Which is the wiki being stupid as usual. I quoted James where he says that the "magical" GECK was supplied to "several Vaults". So even the game is saying that more than one vault got that special GECK.
So I don't know where the wiki people thinks there was only one.
Maybe Tagz got into an argument with someone stating otherwise and wanted to prove them wrong with a quick wiki edit?
:confused:
 
I would use any Fallout wiki but The Vault, mainly because it seems to be run by Tagz. I would use Nukapedia instead.
 
Maybe Tagz got into an argument with someone stating otherwise and wanted to prove them wrong with a quick wiki edit?
:confused:
Tagaz got kicked out of the wikia admins... Oh sorry, he quit when asked to defend his case when they were voting to kick him out.

He is the big shot at the Vault though. I just noticed you link to the Vault but said vault wiki. xD.
So that confused me.
Wikia is:
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_Wiki
Gamepedia is the Vault:
https://fallout.gamepedia.com/The_Vault_Fallout_Wiki
 
Also, if I recall correctly, there was a time when any wiki links we used on NMA went to the Gamepedia article rather than the Fallout wiki as intended.
That was when Tagaziel "returned". He put an auto re-director so it would convert all links from the Wikia to the Vault. :lmao:

The other admins fixed it shortly after being noticed.
 
He did defend the BoS retcon when it was revealed before the game's release. I specially loved this line:
especially if someone buys into the idea that Bethesda doesn't care about the lore or they just cobble the games together, it's actually a claim without base.
This is so wrong on so many levels that i don't even know where to begin. Instead i laugh.
 
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