What PC Gamer wants from Fallout 4

[Mr Fish]

Offtopic crap:
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And by the way the factions are highly unrealistic.In the previous fallout games people were struggling for survival while in this one they all wear wacky costumes and wage war...

YEAH,HERE ARE SOME CRAZY FACTIONS AND PEOPLE HAVING FUN IN CASINOS.

You can easily see plants and trees growing everywhere.Remember when you saw that the first time in fallout 3? It was awesome but now it's just a part of the scenery.

Wacky costumes? You mean the Legion? Maybe you should talk to Caesar about why he chose the roman design for his nomadic army.

Waging war, yes, ridiculous, it's not like Unity was waging war or anything.

You loved Fallout 1, but you don't like the idea of casinos, did you never encounter Gizmo?

Did I miss something? In Fallout 1, 2 and Tactics we see vegetation that is just part of the scenery. How can Vegas be criticized for doing the exact same thing as the first 3 games?

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As to the news, I really don't want Fallout to turn into some kind of a survival game, I play Fallout for it's roleplaying elements and it's storyline in it's unique setting, not so that I can scavenge a canned tuna and get all giddy about it.

 

[Walpknut]

But still. We are here, to fight! The good fight with our voice. You might get tired, you might get weary, numb, suffer from post traumatic stress dissorder. But you dont give up!

[Intelligence10] So we fight the good fight with our voice.

 

[Morbus]

If u hate fallout 4 under bethesda so much, just dont buy it, bt im afraid all u guys will finally have one on ur shelve, isnnt?

Oldest argument on the book. There are mean people that STEAL games to play them and then don't give them back...

 

[woo1108]

As to the news, I really don't want Fallout to turn into some kind of a survival game, I play Fallout for it's roleplaying elements and it's storyline in it's unique setting, not so that I can scavenge a canned tuna and get all giddy about it.

I can't agree more.

 

[bahhgarr]

Luv it or hate it, bethesda saved fallout series

no they didn't had they not bid on the rights to fallout Troika would have got them

 

[Makenshi]

If {It's "you". You can write legibly. Don't bother crying about it.} hate fallout 4 under bethesda so much, just dont buy it, bt im afraid all {It's "you". You can write legibly. Don't bother crying about it.} guys will finally have one on {It's "your". You can write legibly. Don't bother crying about it.} shelve, isnnt?

There is a lot more grammar rape there, but I will cease my critic here

 

[rcorporon]

I feel like we've had this conversation before...

Either way I'm not buying anything Beth puts out. I stopped buying their stuff after Oblivion came out.

I bought FO3 used (Beth didn't get a dime) and hated it. Stopped after a few hours.

I bought F:NV and didn't like it either. The writing was better but the gameplay is just ass.

I don't really care what they add or take away to Fallout 4. It'll be more of the same dumbed down, lowest common denominator gameplay that turned me off of Bethsoft titles initially.

 

[Akratus]

I feel like we've had this conversation before...

Either way I'm not buying anything Beth puts out. I stopped buying their stuff after Oblivion came out.

I bought FO3 used (Beth didn't get a dime) and hated it. Stopped after a few hours.

I bought F:NV and didn't like it either. The writing was better but the gameplay is just ass.

I don't really care what they add or take away to Fallout 4. It'll be more of the same dumbed down, lowest common denominator gameplay that turned me off of Bethsoft titles initially.

It's true that it is a shame that Obsidian has to pump the game full of fps action, indeed. That's what's expected and what sells. There's a bit too much focus on generic shooting compared to non combat gameplay. But that's also there. You can be a diplomat in New Vegas or a Doctor or other non-combat character. Still limited though.

Really, Bethesda didn't save fallout. They frankenstein'd it. The original spirit of Fallout is long gone. Injecting it into New Vegas didn't bring it back and neither can Fallout 4.

The best thing now is to forget about these triple a rpg series and focus on the kickstarter and indie games, and CDProjektRed and Obsidian, the few remaining large developers with some fucking sense.

 

[UniversalWolf]

I feel like we've had this conversation before...

Looks like some folks missed it the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, and sixth time around. Call it the burden of educating the ignorant.

If Bethesda hadn't gobbled up Fallout, we might be preparing for the release of a real sequel right now. I mean, I'm all in favor of Wasteland 2, but we could be talking about true Fallout 3 -- the possibility of which is something Bethesda murdered.

 

[FearMonkey]

Yeah seriously. I'm not sure how people can say what they want out of a Fallout 4 when we haven't even gotten a Fallout 3 yet. LOL

 

[Dukeanumberone]

per the topic :
i think the full article did a good job of addressing the issues of 3 and FNV that I have with the series and would add more to it, but I'll leave that to the appropriate forum.

the whole "beth saved FALLOUT" argument, gave me the giggles, thanks to those giving parties. You want to know this conversation keeps popping up? Because you keep responding to it and acknowledging it, you "hate it" but love correcting some random person's opinion.

mobucks

I'll be happy as long as they keep releasing construction sets with their games.

I concur, have you posted any mods on the nexus bucks?

Actually, is there any reason to call fo4 "fallout"?

I'm not sure how people can say what they want out of a Fallout 4 when we haven't even gotten a Fallout 3 yet

LOL @ rampant fanboism

 

[woo1108]

Yeah seriously. I'm not sure how people can say what they want out of a Fallout 4 when we haven't even gotten a Fallout 3 yet. LOL

You can say that again!

 

[UncannyGarlic]

*wall of text*

Please use proper spacing which includes paragraphs and spaces after periods, when you don't you create a wall of text that is unpleasant to read at best.

Livelier roads, cities, and towns.

Fair enough complaint. Traveling is boring in games and Bethesda games are full of it. Being able to fast travel is fine, despite my earlier complaints and reservations, as it just makes the game flow better. A more ideal solution would be offering both the old Fallout style travel and the FPS manual travel. It's more work but it has the best end result.

Make it about survival.

I've decided that Hardcore didn't make New Vegas more fun, it just made it more work. While I appreciate the flavor of the option, the gameplay result is less than pleasant. Granted, that might have as much to do with the previous point as anything. Regardless, while it's a cool idea I'm against slapping on anything that isn't fully integrated, fine tuned, finished, and enjoyable, optional or not.

Bethesda’s Design, Obsidian’s Characters.

Can't really comment too much here, I don't have much love for Bethesda's level design in Oblivion but I can't speak for Fallout 3.

Treat us like PC gamers.

Amen to this. The fact that Bethesda didn't get hammered for their UI in Skyrim is disgusting and Fallout 3 & New Vegas both had crap menu design.

Meaningful Character Creation.

While the underlying mechanics are completely broken, his point focuses on wanting to start the game working for different factions and whining about having to play the game in order to gain reputation with factions. It's a paragraph of nonsensical blabber.

Think about the Karma system.

Yep, reputation systems are strictly better than good/bad polarity systems. Too bad he doesn't know the terminology nor can he talk about it in any detail.

More than one city.

This seems to be a pretty aimless complaint but I think what they were getting at is they want there to be more content between the cities? I say cut out the content between cities (streamline it like Fallout 1&2) so that they can focus on making everything that's important interesting.

Make it it hurt.

More meandering complaining without a purpose until the end. I think he wants tighter controls, better AI, and all around better combat?

A use for everything.

A cool idea but doing it well is very hard. I'd rather have a variety of preset weapons than a clunky, crappy crafting system. Bad crafting systems, which is to say most crafting systems, are neither fun nor interesting.

Use The Steam Workshop.

Bethesda is well known for realeasing their SDKs so this complaint is a little confusing to me. I think he's complaining that Bethesda isn't integrating their mods better with Steam? I haven't used the Steam workshop so I can't say for sure.


All in all, yet another poorly written game article.

 

[Mettle]

Please use proper spacing which includes paragraphs and spaces after periods, when you don't you create a wall of text that is unpleasant to read at best.

Livelier roads, cities, and towns.

Fair enough complaint. Traveling is boring in games and Bethesda games are full of it. Being able to fast travel is fine, despite my earlier complaints and reservations, as it just makes the game flow better. A more ideal solution would be offering both the old Fallout style travel and the FPS manual travel. It's more work but it has the best end result.

The problem with that is that you can still see the area, less than a stones throw away. I have to walk further to get to the nearest bus stop than to cross some "massive" gameworlds to their big cities. It makes the games feel cramped as hell.

I'd much rather that they use Fallouts overland travel and some area transitions than any great amount of FP travel. Would help greatly to make the world more believable.

Use The Steam Workshop.

Bethesda is well known for realeasing their SDKs so this complaint is a little confusing to me. I think he's complaining that Bethesda isn't integrating their mods better with Steam? I haven't used the Steam workshop so I can't say for sure.

I'd much rather that they stay the fuck away from Steam, at all, and stay DRM-free like they were before. It was the only point of praise I could give to them as a company.

I've only heard bad things about Steam workshop. Supposedly, they don't allow "adult" content - wich I don't care about personally, but you should be allowed to make yourself an pron sim if you so want - and they limit the size of files so that you can't have new textures of any decent quality.
Only word of mouth though.

 

[Walpknut]

What does the Steam Workshop offer that the Nexus and the Mod Manager don't?

 

[Arden]

What does the Steam Workshop offer that the Nexus and the Mod Manager don't?

Control.

On the player side... well, there's the argument that your mods update themselves, hehe. And thats all I can think of really.

Edit: *sniggers*

 

[Mettle]

Edit;

What does the Steam Workshop offer that the Nexus and the Mod Manager don't?

Nothing, except even more control of the market to Valve.

@Arden; Sneaky bastard.

 

[WorstUsernameEver]

What does the Steam Workshop offer that the Nexus and the Mod Manager don't?

Quick idiot-proof installation of mods in exchange for a lack of finer control. That can change later tho'. Also, for people like me that actually don't like pedophilia (I assume we're still the majority, but going by the Nexus I'm not so sure) I don't have to deal with "Caesar becomes a naked 5-year old child!" mods.

 

[dukem]

Yeah seriously. I'm not sure how people can say what they want out of a Fallout 4 when we haven't even gotten a Fallout 3 yet. LOL

I like that a lot

 

[KillerBee256]

If u hate fallout 4 under bethesda so much, just dont buy it, bt im afraid all u guys will finally have one on ur shelve, isnnt?
Luv it or hate it, bethesda saved fallout series, interplay was also trying to go into the same direction where the current fallout games are, just look at fallout tactics, fallout brotherhood of steel on ps2, and cancelled fallout extreme, which all ended up in disaster, perhaps also led interplay to bankcruptcy.
Bethesda introduced loads of new people into fallout, much more than all the fans of fallout 1 and 2 combined, as long as fallout is in the hands of beth, fallout 4 will be more than just fine, being the game of the year once again without doubt.
Lets just face it: interplay tried to do what beth is doing and they failed, if you hate such a fact so much, why dont you make something surpass it? Thats right, you cant, so stop moaning, god himself wont hear ya

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