Which games were a disaster? To what franchise?

Fallout 4 isn't a completely bad game, it's just a bad Fallout.
sorry, but does a the games that have numerous bug and serious issue with its engine, be it bad graphic or unoptimized one that couldn;'t handle more than 60 fps is the standard for modern AAA industry? i guess no, but some bethesda fan were seems to be trigger happy to defend it.
 
Breath of fire 5 and 6 to the franchise. The first one could work well as a spin-off, the second is a worthless piece of mobile trash that is an official entry.
Huh, I didn't even know they made a 6th one. Sounds like a piece of shit.
5th one wasn't that bad though. Sure, it was very different and not really strongly connected to the others, but the game itself was fine. Don't know that it was different enough to be a spin-off, though I guess it the combat was more like a tactical game or something.

Imagine if XCOM 2 had been a linear corridor FPS
Imagine if the XCOM reboot was never released and only The Bureau, that shitty 3rd person cover shooter.
I believe that was their plan at one point. At least it gave us this ol' gem:

 
Fallout 4 isn't a completely bad game, it's just a bad Fallout.
If it's Fallout and it's a bad Fallout then it's a bad game.

But I understand the idea. Fallout 4 does have some nice changes. But it's still a complete disaster and it really feels like they designed the game to offend every single Fallout RPG fan.

It feels like they got together and said "Right, what can we do to show Fallout fans that we don't like them and want to get rid of them? How can we mess this franchise up as much as possible?"
 
If it's Fallout and it's a bad Fallout then it's a bad game.

But I understand the idea. Fallout 4 does have some nice changes. But it's still a complete disaster and it really feels like they designed the game to offend every single Fallout RPG fan.

I'm not saying it's not a complete fuck up in that respect, but it's playable, it looks fairly nice, there's enough content to keep it running for a while and there is some good in it. A bad game to me is a game that barely works, is poorly presented or just plays awfully. A la every post Black ops Call of Duty
 
To say Fallout 4 is a bad game is simply wrong. You can say you don't like it, you can cite it's trash dialogue system and how much it pisses on the franchise, but it isn't a bad game. And the statement about the standard of AAA games is a moot one, a lot of AAA games are far worse in terms of completion and content than FO4. As I stated before, Phantom Pain is missing a third of it's story and content and its average score is in the 90s. Ergo, by all agreed definitions, it is an AAA title.

Rename Fallout 4 to "Post War: The Settler" or some shit, reskin the BoS and a few enemies and the like and release it as it's own IP and it wouldn't be considered an atrocious game. It's a bad Fallout, not a bad game.
 
I'm not saying it's not a complete fuck up in that respect, but it's playable, it looks fairly nice, there's enough content to keep it running for a while and there is some good in it. A bad game to me is a game that barely works, is poorly presented or just plays awfully. A la every post Black ops Call of Duty
Well for me there was only enough content to keep me going to level 8. That's where I decided I couldn't take anymore. Bethesdrones have been know to complain that the Mojave wasteland didn't feel like a wasteland. To those folks I submit that the commonwealth is devoid of any npc that actually holds a conversation or any truly good scripted quests and because of this it feels like the loneliest game I've ever played. That includes games like silent hill where you literally are basically alone. Or that time I played Mario party by myself. The commonwealth feels more Like purgatory than an actual wasteland.

Edit: this post kind of derailed in the middle but I'm leaving it up because I agree with it. (I agree with myself? *Shocked gasp*)
 
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To say Fallout 4 is a bad game is simply wrong. You can say you don't like it, you can cite it's trash dialogue system and how much it pisses on the franchise, but it isn't a bad game.

Rename Fallout 4 to "Post War: The Settler" or some shit, reskin the BoS and a few enemies and the like and release it as it's own IP and it wouldn't be considered an atrocious game. It's a bad Fallout, not a bad game.
I once thought this when I was desperate to find a reason for Fallout 4 to not be a total disappointment. But frankly, If you have to rename the game and pretend it's not even part of the franchise, then the game failed at what it was supposed to do and is by definition a bad game. Or at the very least, it's a very mediocre game.

If rollercoaster tycoon turned out to be an action FPS, then fans of rollercoaster tycoon are going to call it a bad game. No one cares if it's somehow a decent FPS, they expect a rollercoaster sim when they buy a game marketed as rollercoaster tycoon.

Fallout 4 is full of bugs, glitches, the characters are robotically animated and look like they are from last generation consoles, the writing is awful, and the main quest is incredibly short for an RPG while the side quests are all MMO procedurally generated. There's no role-playing. The cutscene camera is a 50/50 chance of focusing on the person talking or a brahmin's butt. Companions fall in love with you for picking locks and opening safes and most of them are based on cliched stereotypes. Half of the Season Pass is paid mods. Anti-aliasing appears to cause massive flickering of bushes and grass on high settings. The game physics stop working at high FPS. The weapon sounds are mediocre and there are very few base weapons. It is in my opinion the worst, laziest Bethesda game ever made.

I agree with you that if this wasn't a Fallout game the reception would not be so bad, but it certainly wouldn't be good either - it would be called a bad ripoff of Fallout and Borderlands (which it is). And the fact is Fallout 4 is in fact marketed as a Fallout RPG.
 
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it's a very mediocre game.

Well that we agree on, but mediocre doesn't equal bad.

Irwin John Finster said:
the characters are robotically animated and look like they are from last generation consoles

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Well, I don't know about that.

Let's compare FO4 to the Division, or to Black Ops 3, or to MGSV, or to Far Cry Primal, or to any other "AAA" title from last year/this year and see how it shapes up. In that regard it's just a fairly average big release.
 
Well that we agree on, but mediocre doesn't equal bad.



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Well, I don't know about that.

Let's compare FO4 to the Division, or to Black Ops 3, or to MGSV, or to Far Cry Primal, or to any other "AAA" title from last year/this year and see how it shapes up. In that regard it's just a fairly average big release.
Go look at Desdemona's face sometime. She's the leader of the Railroad and her face is so plastic looking I honestly think she's a synth.

Then go look at Sturges' neck. I'm 90% sure he is also a synth.

Then go look at Preston Gravey tell you he's "got something a bit different for you this time."

The animations are not improved enough to warrant 5 or 7 years of development. And the failure of the dialogue system with its cutscenes just makes it more obvious. I'm not even one of those people that needs great graphics or animations to enjoy the game - but when you remove the entire RPG from Fallout then all those faults become even more obvious.
 
Do you know what part of the game that picture of Piper comes from? I don't remember her smoking at all.

She does it from time to time, as one of her idle animations.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/comments/3t4hdl/piper_smoking_bug_no_spoilers/

http://66.media.tumblr.com/bacbb936b9fc263c50b413aca46a76fa/tumblr_nygh8nUSLp1ri8h0lo1_540.gif

Little bit more about it, I've never had the glitch where she won't stop, I've never seen her do it if you change her outfit either


Go look at Desdemona's face sometime. She's the leader of the Railroad and her face is so plastic looking I honestly think she's a synth.

Then go look at Sturges' neck. I'm 90% sure he is also a synth.

Then go look at Preston Gravey tell you he's "got something a bit different for you this time."

The animations are not improved enough to warrant 5 or 7 years of development. And the failure of the dialogue system with its cutscenes just makes it more obvious. I'm not even one of those people that needs great graphics or animations to enjoy the game - but when you remove the entire RPG from Fallout then all those faults become even more obvious.

I'm not arguing against the fact it's a shit RPG or that its an awful Fallout entry, I'm saying it's not an outright 'bad' game.
 
Well that we agree on, but mediocre doesn't equal bad.




Well, I don't know about that.

Let's compare FO4 to the Division, or to Black Ops 3, or to MGSV, or to Far Cry Primal, or to any other "AAA" title from last year/this year and see how it shapes up. In that regard it's just a fairly average big release.

you cant compare the graphic of new vegas to fallout 4 one, of course new vegas is a five year old games and obsidian is the victim that have no choice but to use shitty engine that bethesda gave them due their limited resource. you cant blame them

on the other hand, the AAA title like you mentioned have more superior graphic and engine quality.


should i uncork the name " witcher 3" anyone ? :D
 
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you cant compare the graphic of new vegas to fallout 4 one, of course new vegas is a five year old games and obsidian that have no choice but to use shitty engine that bethesda gave them due their limited resource.

on the other hand, the AAA title like you mentioned have more superior graphic and engine quality.


should i uncork the name " witcher 3" anyone ? :D
You don't even need to use Witcher 3 as an example. Mass Effect 1's dialogue cutscenes had better animations than Fallout 4 and that game predates Fallout 3.

Bethesda would have been better off keeping the old dialogue system in place because the terrible animations wouldn't be so obvious.

They made the game for casual FPS fans who demand voiced protagonists and dialogue cutscenes and crap that RPGs don't need to be successful and totally forgot why people like Fallout in the first place: role playing.
 
Bethesda s animations have always been terrible. Look at creatures from fo3 in fnv and compare their animations with the new creature s that obsidian created.
 
you cant compare the graphic of new vegas to fallout 4 one, of course new vegas is a five year old games and obsidian that have no choice but to use shitty engine that bethesda gave them due their limited resource.

on the other hand, the AAA title like you mentioned have more superior graphic and engine quality.


should i uncork the name " witcher 3" anyone ? :D


Then don't say "the characters look like theyre from last gen" if you don't want me to use an example from last gen. It's not a hard concept.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mkWfsERyX7g/maxresdefault.jpg

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http://images.indianexpress.com/2015/09/mgsv2-759.jpg

Stills from the games I mentioned, only MGSV looks better, and as mentioned, the game isn't even finished.
 
Then don't say "the characters look like theyre from last gen" if you don't want me to use an example from last gen. It's not a hard concept.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mkWfsERyX7g/maxresdefault.jpg

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/143/590x/Black-Ops-3-Zombies-update-614297.jpg

http://images.indianexpress.com/2015/09/mgsv2-759.jpg

Stills from the games I mentioned, only MGSV looks better, and as mentioned, the game isn't even finished.
The characters do look like last gen. they have some more shadows and are slightly improved, but fact is Fallout 4 is very much the same basic game engine as Fallout 3 and the same weird animations and facial expressions are obvious. Does it look slightly better? Yes. Does it look like 5-7 years better? Absolutely not.

This would all be fine if the game had a quality RPG experience. It does not. So what we end up with is a casual FPS with terrible animations and dialogue and awful writing. Not a good game in my opinion.

In fact that sounds a lot like Duke Nukem Forever.
 
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Bethesda s animations have always been terrible. Look at creatures from fo3 in fnv and compare their animations with the new creature s that obsidian created.

The walking animation in Morrowind is another prime example.

It's so cringeworthy, I honestly thought my game was bugged.
 
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