Who else hates the idea that the world could’ve been saved if only...

[ironmask]

Well, good for him, knowing what he is. Too often people throw around “socialist” without realizing what that actually is. Prime example is the American Right constantly labeling the Left as “radical Socialists”. They’re not there yet.

Yeah the right loves to throw the word "commie" as much as the left likes to throw the word "nazi". Soon these words will thrown around so much that they will lose their original meaning. Similar to the word simp.

 

[KingArthur]

You just think that way because you’re Nazi Commie simping for an attempted overthrow of our Democratic government like on Jan 6.

Shame on you.

 

[Yuri_Yslin]

I am pretty much sure that a war between superpowers (conventional) would end up nuclear, no matter what. Either in Fallout franchise, or in our world.

Think about it: what does the losing side have to lose?

They already lost the war. What is likely to happen for the government that authorised the war is some sort of war trial and death penalty (like in Nurnberg).

In the mind of people who are drunk with power and ready to throw the youth of their nation to needlessly & pointlessly die for their own lust of what they perceieve as power, what is worse than being stripped of power and, shortly after, life?

I'm pretty sure that it's mostly ego that makes the people "up there" do the crazy shit they do. And being publicly hanged after being called a failed criminal - well, that's exactly on the opposite part of the spectrum of stroking one's ego.

I'm pretty sure that, under such cirmcumstance, China would have nuked US in the world of Fallout, and that i.e. Russia would nuke US in real world.

Just look at the Enclave. Those presidents, kings and rulers always end up surviving and keep enjoying a decent and comfortable lifespan. Do you think the same stuff wouldn't happen IRL? pretty sure a guy like Putin would rather have 20-30 years more in a bunker, than 2-3 weeks before getting hanged over war crimes he's going to get accused of.

Nuclear war is inevitable should nuclear-capable countries go to full scale war.

This is why, in Fallout franchise, the "could have been prevented" thing is a no-no, it ended the way it had to.

 

[Hardboiled Android]

I am pretty much sure that a war between superpowers (conventional) would end up nuclear, no matter what. Either in Fallout franchise, or in our world.

Think about it: what does the losing side have to lose?

They already lost the war. What is likely to happen for the government that authorised the war is some sort of war trial and death penalty (like in Nurnberg).

In the mind of people who are drunk with power and ready to throw the youth of their nation to needlessly & pointlessly die for their own lust of what they perceieve as power, what is worse than being stripped of power and, shortly after, life?

I'm pretty sure that it's mostly ego that makes the people "up there" do the crazy shit they do. And being publicly hanged after being called a failed criminal - well, that's exactly on the opposite part of the spectrum of stroking one's ego.

I'm pretty sure that, under such cirmcumstance, China would have nuked US in the world of Fallout, and that i.e. Russia would nuke US in real world.

Just look at the Enclave. Those presidents, kings and rulers always end up surviving and keep enjoying a decent and comfortable lifespan. Do you think the same stuff wouldn't happen IRL? pretty sure a guy like Putin would rather have 20-30 years more in a bunker, than 2-3 weeks before getting hanged over war crimes he's going to get accused of.

Nuclear war is inevitable should nuclear-capable countries go to full scale war.

This is why, in Fallout franchise, the "could have been prevented" thing is a no-no, it ended the way it had to.

This is assuming that there is a demand for unconditional surrender though, which needn't necessarily be the case. It's not an absolute certainty that conventional conflict would bleed over into a nuclear one, though of course it is pretty likely.

 

[zegh8578]

India v Pakistan are good examples of nuclear power conducting warfare *with* the awareness of nuclear potential. Both have direct access to the other's frontier, and both could - in theory - unleash their ground forces for the opposite's heartland - necesitating and justifying the use of nuclear force.

In these cases, both parties are obligated by themselves to keep their conflict "to the point", keep it in Kashmir.

 

[Hardboiled Android]

India v Pakistan are good examples of nuclear power conducting warfare *with* the awareness of nuclear potential. Both have direct access to the other's frontier, and both could - in theory - unleash their ground forces for the opposite's heartland - necesitating and justifying the use of nuclear force.

In these cases, both parties are obligated by themselves to keep their conflict "to the point", keep it in Kashmir.

Though I think with climate change they probably will end up facing a zero-sum war at some point - which will result in nuclear exchange. Probably before the end of the century.

 

[FreedomStalker]

I keep seeing this idea thrown around (particularly on places like Reddit) that fusion technology was on the verge of ending the Pre-War resource shortages, and that the Great War could’ve been avoided if only they had more time. This always bothers me because I like to think of the Great War as inevitable, not something that the pre-war world almost avoided. Not to mention that it portrays technology, particularly nuclear technology, in a “heroic” light that I feel is really at odds with the whole “Mankind’s Hubris” theme that Fallout has going on.

Does this piss anyone else off? Or am I the bad guy here?

Which game revealed fusion technology was on the verge of ending the pre war resource shortages?

 

[Iprovidelittlepianos]

Which game revealed fusion technology was on the verge of ending the pre war resource shortages?

I didn’t start hearing this “theory” until after Fallout 4 had come out, so I have to assume that Fallout 4 started this. I don’t remember anything in Fallout 4 stating this, but maybe it came from the idea that fusion power is so common in the Commonwealth, so what exactly was the resource crisis? Then players came up with the theory that the resource crisis must have been almost resolved right before the bombs fell.

 

[Zvezda]

Which game revealed fusion technology was on the verge of ending the pre war resource shortages?

None of them. It's a fan theory, probably brought on by the nationalist intro to FO4.

War. War never changes.

In the year 1945, my great-great grandfather, serving in the army, wondered when he'd get to go home to his wife and the son he'd never seen. He got his wish when the US ended World War II by dropping atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The World awaited Armageddon; instead, something miraculous happened. We began to use atomic energy not as a weapon, but as a nearly limitless source of power.

People enjoyed luxuries once thought the realm of science fiction. Domestic robots, fusion-powered cars, portable computers. But then, in the 21st century, people awoke from the American dream.

Years of consumption lead to shortages of every major resource. The entire world unravelled. Peace became a distant memory. It is now the year 2077. We stand on the brink of total war, and I am afraid. For myself, for my wife, for my infant son - because if my time in the army taught me one thing: it's that war, war never changes.

It doesn't explicitly say that fusion could've stopped the Great War, in fact it says the opposite. But it does suggest that fusion was a miracle that provided for a borderline utopia before people ran out of all the stuff. Of course, this is how Nate would probably see pre-War America and fusion, but making an introduction section most viewers expect to be unbiased from the perspective of a brainwashed footsoldier might not have been the best idea.

The reality was that the first fusion cell was only revealed in 2066, as a byproduct of the power armour project, 11 years before the war. It was never fully integrated with US infrastructure by 2077. The transition from fossil fuels to nuclear was forced by the resource crisis, which had started to strain by at least the 2050s; fission and alt-electric vehicles were only unveiled in 2060, and were in limited supply, as were fusion vehicles introduced after at least 2066. This, by the way, is 13 years after Tel Aviv was vaporised. The Pre-War world was always a shitshow.

You can understand why fans might think no oil + not enough fusion = Great War, and no oil + fusion = paradise, if you take Nate's propaganda spiel without a pinch of salt. Or just completely misunderstand the Resource Wars, I guess, if I'm being too charitable.