Who is heir to the Enclave

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Quagmire69

Look, Ma! Two Heads!
I'd rank them, personally I only believe the first three qualifies, though i think the NCR secretly wishes they:
1. House: his focus is emulating pre war humanity. Marcus even made comments about how Vegas is not known for their friendlyness towards mutants. Also the only way to get all the remnats on you side save for a speech of 100 is to be hostile with the NCR and order and attack on the Legion. House and New Vegas ending are pretty much the only endings where Arcade does not get crusified, raped by Ceasar, or hunted down by the Brotherhood and NCR.

2. Brotherhood: even though they hate them thier shockingly similar. Hate mutants in most games, distrust wastelanders, love tech, look to the past as an ideal. The barnacky ending of fallout tactics demostrates that they certainly have a Enclave like faction within them even if its not dominant. Its also noteworthy that the shoot gouls on site in DC.

3. Vault holdouts/Vault City/not sure about Boomers sense they act like psyco tribals.

4. NCR they have adopted many of the trappings pre war america so some have suggested that thier the next Enclave.

5. I have no fucking idea how Ceasars Legion are simalar in any way except that thier both ruthless as fuck. Other than what do a group of people who emulate past America to the exstent that they see all others as dogs have in common with a bunch superstitous tribals led by a guy if you talk too has nothing but contempt for the pre war government and those who emulate. The only reason I am listing them is because people were talking about what if CL and the Enclave allies, I have no fucking clue why that would happen. More logical allies would be House or Vault City.

If you don't like the question and say that none of them are then let me rephrase, who would the Enclave see as closest too them.
 
I sure hope we have.
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I'm guessing your one of the people who loved walker texas ranger. Is that why you like the idea the demented cowboy empire of the NCR because it reminds of the original demented cowboy chuck norris.

I mean really the brotherhood are interesting but only as interesting as the people they fought
. In pretty much all of the games except for new vegas the enemies have either been mutants or enclave. So unless you want another master is going to be enclave. The NCR better be fucking dead the fallout 4.

But please lets stick to the topic.
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Quagmire69 said:
I'm guessing your one of the people who loved walker texas ranger. Is that why you like the idea the demented cowboy empire of the NCR because it reminds of the original demented cowboy chuck norris.
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Your guess is wrong, and I don't see your (any) reasoning.

I'm one of those people who find it stupid to destroy some ancient shadow government for the third time (like the second time wasn't stupid enough).
Sure, there are more Enclave remnants out there (which would be ok to feature more), but Enclave as a whole is broken and dead.

Quagmire69 said:
The NCR better be fucking dead the fallout 4.
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I'm guessing you're one of those people who know nothing about Fallout lore and/or are not using brain.
NCR is a superpower by post-war standards, greatest in US, and probably in the whole world. In won't just "be fucking dead" all of a sudden.
 
Atomkilla said:
I sure hope we have.
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God I hope Bethesda doesn't try to recycle the Enclave again for Fallout 4.

I can still see it going something like this though



BoS - We've just received news that an underground bunker full of
Enclave soldiers, Super Mutants, and raiders has been opened for the first time in 200 years!

Enclave - We're gonna kill you all!

Super Mutants - We're gonna kill you all!

Raiders - We're gonna kill you all, then take your stuff!

BoS - Hey random stranger, will you help us save New New York from the bad guys?

PC - Sure, I guess.

BoS - Steel be with you!
 
I just wouldn't be surprised if they showed up somewhere in the next Fallout 4. I wouldn't mind, personally. I mean, some detached Enclave remnant... meh. They should totally splurge the voice acting budget and hire Morgan Freeman.
 
The NCR better be fucking dead the fallout 4.
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Well, Beth sometimes (hell, all the time) has retarded ideas, and has destroyed such superpower before (in Skyrim, the Empire is long dead). NCR is growing and prospering, and hope it won't die. But seeing it turning into tyranny would be ok in my mind, as long as it is shown in intelligent way that actually makes sense (but knowing Bethesda, probably aliens from space allied with post-nuclear orcs and unicorns will take over the rule over the NCR...).
 
I am sad to say, or write that the Enclave will most likely be back in Bethesda's Fallout 4, and yes they will be the main 'bad' faction again for a simple reason.
The Fallout 3 fans demand it.

Personally I am sick of the Enclave, I don't mind remnants but I don't want more rehashes of Fallout 1 and 2.

Fallout 1, 2, Tactics and Van Buren had the right idea, new factions or organizations that would pose the next big dilemma of how the world should be reshaped.

We had Super Mutants in 1, the Enclave in 2, The Calculator in Tactics, and Dr Presper and his NCR followers in the canceled Van Buren.
We still saw remnants of most previous factions; Mutants and Enclave but they were no longer the focus or the threat as both tried to find a direction and to integrate in to wasteland society.

The Caesar's Legion was stereotypically evil but at least they were a new faction and they had a background and set of reasoning of their own.
 
Bethesda has, practically, unlimited choice at creating new factions, characters etc.

Even Fallout 3 confirmed us the existence (at least to those who take Fallout 3 as canon) of places such as Institute, which, on their own, have major potential in creating a believable and fitting story.

They could do it, if they learned from their mistakes. Many "new" fans who liked 3, love New Vegas, which (to them) brought new factions, and I see no problem in Bethesda learning from Obsidian (I doubt they'd let Obsidian make it), and making a fresh and good game.

But then Pete & Todd enter the scene...
 
Sorry Atomkilla, but I honestly doubt it.
I don't see the Bethesda designers design new factions even if their careers depended on it.

And no, I do not think they will 'learn' from Obsidian and FNV, I think they will simply cut and paste what they think people liked in FNV into FO4.
 
I swear, if Bethesda tries to bring the NCR or Caesar's Legion over to the East coast then I'm never buying another Bethesda game as long as I live.
 
The Dutch Ghost said:
I think they will simply cut and paste what they think people liked in FNV into FO4.
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I think this is pretty much true. There were things about NV that I liked more than Fallout 3 that I'd like to see in Fallout 4. I'll be the first to say I'm a Bethesda fan boy, so it's within my expectation that they will design the game as they normally do, cannibalizing improvements from NV that fit into their design.
 
The Enclave logically has to still be around. I mean really how could they have launched a large scale invasion of the capital wasteland without bases and production facilities. Thier not a roving army like CL. Raven Rock and Adams don't count. Those are foward bases with no production facilities and no civilians. Think of the logistics that it would take to keep the modile crawly running. They are only a handfull of enclave women, logically have some vualt or base where they all are. In NV EDE had imformation on Enclave bases in Chicago. The Enclave also represents the pre war government and is a plot divice for the discussing the great war, thiel be back.
 
If you don't like the question and say that none of them are then let me rephrase, who would the Enclave see as closest too them.
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I'd say Vault City, since they are a bunch of elitist that treat anyone else like scum, especially ghouls and super mutants.

In pretty much all of the games except for new vegas the enemies have either been mutants or enclave. So unless you want another master is going to be enclave. The NCR better be fucking dead the fallout 4.
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Or they could -*gasp*- do what Black Isle and Obsidian did with FO2 and FO:NV and create a new faction. :shock: Naaaaw, you are right, it's better to recycle the old ones at nauseam even when it doesn't make sense.
So in FO4 we'll se again SMs created by another big stash of FEV (even though it was supposed to be a top secret project based in Mariposa only) and the Enclave will come back, with the survivors of the Mobile Base Crawler (which were the survivors of Raven Rock, which were the survivors of the Oil Rig & Navarro) invading whatever region the game will take place in.
 
The Dutch Ghost said:
Sorry Atomkilla, but I honestly doubt it.
I don't see the Bethesda designers design new factions even if their careers depended on it.

And no, I do not think they will 'learn' from Obsidian and FNV, I think they will simply cut and paste what they think people liked in FNV into FO4.
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The problem I think is not so much the Bethesda designers ... there is an old saying.

A fish rots from the head down

The people in charge over Bethesda well the part which is responsible for games (Oblivion, Fallout 3) knew what they did. And they did most on purpose. People bought their games and they made a shit load of money. So as long they are still around making games there is only little reason why they should change their formula.

All I hope for actually is that Obsidian will get the chance to make Fallout 4. With new engines. More time. And well. Less bugs. While Bethesda concentrates on new Oblivion games. I mean Elder Scroll sequels.

Quagmire69 said:
The Enclave logically has to still be around.
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Why ? Is that more out of "logical" reasons or simply because you have a favour in particular with the Enclave ? It is not like you have not shown a lot of interest in them already in other threads ...

The Enclave lost with the Oil Rig pretty much their base of operations. They have never been a faction comparable in numbers to the NCR or the Legion for example. And many of the survivers on the main land moved to Raven Rock which was destroyed in F3.

Seriously. We HAVE to give them a rest at some point. To say that. I would not even cry if we finally give the Brotherhood of Steel some rest making room for new factions and new charismatic leaders in the wasteland. That is a lot more interesting and allows for a lot more creative freedom. It is not like that means they have to completely disappear. You could still have some remnant. Like ruins or something similar. If all you want is their "shiny powerarmor".

I mean this isn't Star Wars and the Enclave not some Sith-Empire appearing and disapearing every 1000 years.
 
Logically for an army their size with their equipment they need weapons depot's, weapons factories. It makes no since that thier is this group of 20 year old dudes roaming around the wasteland for 80 years so far without anyone getting old or running out of ammo or fuel. Were are the kids, where are the women, how have they been replacing their number? Fallout NV also confirms the existence of Enclave bases in the Northeast.
 
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