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Sounds good.
Then You could focus at being really Bad http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/Images/devil.gif
Then You could focus at being really Bad http://fallout.gamestats.com/forum/Images/devil.gif
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Blame Canada! Blame Canada!
Uh, no. Maybe if it was someone overseas....
Uh, no. Maybe if it was someone overseas....
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RE: Blame Canada! Blame Canada!
How'za bout who ever the bad guy is (i REALY wanna shoot some europeans, but i'll settle for canadians... their almost european
) finds an old missle silo or nuclear/biological/chemical/antimater?!?!?!? weapons storage facility and tries to use for his/her/its/their/our/my/your/ran out of pronouns/etc.etc. 's evil plan/scheme/plot/canivance??/whatever..
How'za bout who ever the bad guy is (i REALY wanna shoot some europeans, but i'll settle for canadians... their almost european
) finds an old missle silo or nuclear/biological/chemical/antimater?!?!?!? weapons storage facility and tries to use for his/her/its/their/our/my/your/ran out of pronouns/etc.etc. 's evil plan/scheme/plot/canivance??/whatever..
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RE: Blame Canada! Blame Canada!
oh by the by... I realy like the idea of choosing your faction...you could give the player the same over all goal in the game, but with a twist depending upon their faction.
Enclave (gotta kill so and so 'cause they've gotta deformity of somekind or somethin)
People Independant Republic of Unified Arroyan City-States etc. etc. (Gotta kill so and so to save the village (been there done that))
BoS (So and So is a threat to world stability, posseses too much harmfull technology,and or has realy cool armor that we dont have, and thus must be eliminated)
NCR (As a citizen of the NCR I joined the NCR Defencive Corps, and me and my squad (which is of course eliminated) have been ordered to eliminate the enemy threat or somethin)
The explination for the last one is that of all the people in FO2, the NCR were the closest to forming a real government, which would give it the same motives/problems as todays governments
, including wars... not necissarily wars for survival, or to save the world, just regular old "I want what he's got" kinda wars.
And then of course you could just wander/drive around and kill stuff
oh by the by... I realy like the idea of choosing your faction...you could give the player the same over all goal in the game, but with a twist depending upon their faction.
Enclave (gotta kill so and so 'cause they've gotta deformity of somekind or somethin)
People Independant Republic of Unified Arroyan City-States etc. etc. (Gotta kill so and so to save the village (been there done that))
BoS (So and So is a threat to world stability, posseses too much harmfull technology,and or has realy cool armor that we dont have, and thus must be eliminated)
NCR (As a citizen of the NCR I joined the NCR Defencive Corps, and me and my squad (which is of course eliminated) have been ordered to eliminate the enemy threat or somethin)
The explination for the last one is that of all the people in FO2, the NCR were the closest to forming a real government, which would give it the same motives/problems as todays governments
, including wars... not necissarily wars for survival, or to save the world, just regular old "I want what he's got" kinda wars.
And then of course you could just wander/drive around and kill stuff
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What's wrong w/ Canada??
So you'd settle for killing Canadians. That means you have prejudice against us. Ya well whattaya got against us? What if I said I'd settle for killing Americans? Would you like that??
So you'd settle for killing Canadians. That means you have prejudice against us. Ya well whattaya got against us? What if I said I'd settle for killing Americans? Would you like that??
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Ideas
Okay, this has turned really weird. I agree with whoever said that two games with "main bad guys" (i.e. Frankie & The Enclave, The Master & the Mutants) is enough. The third should have numerous main tasks to accomplish, and perhaps a more important final one. This doesn't mean destroying some massive army threatening <insert race here>'s existance.
Here's what I think of the proposed plot-setters in the third Fallout game:
Hubologists (they were really cool. I like the whole idea of the robed Cult that killed anyone in their way. Let's hope their shuttle didn't work or something and they're still here)
Aliens (hey, call them cheesy if you will, but I had other thoughts. What better time for the landing of hostile alien creatures then the during nuclear fallout? I thought they looked really cool. Lots of cool ideas for these guys)
Computers/Androids/Robots/AI (Yeah, if you bothered to talk to the terminal in the San Francisco Brotherhood of Steel basement, ACE, she'll tell you all about AI, and how they become bored and create "scenarios" to amuse themselves. Some say this may have caused the Great War. In any case, it'd be cool to fight Mr. Handy's on the battlefield. =)
Brotherhood of Steel (what? these guys are the saviours of humanity, no? Even if the command staff became corrupt, who would they go for? mutants? already been done.)
Ghouls (this is just ridiculous. these guys can barely walk, let alone amass an army to attack the globe. jesus.)
Outside Nations (this could be cool. However, the only adjacent countries (come on, China attackin from overseas?) are Canada and Mexico. As much as I'd like to see sombrero-wearing Mexican gunmen, I think Canada is the way to go. Not as an enemy , necessarily, but maybe simply as a place to explore, to learn of. I can see it, a great artic wastland with pockets of survivalist, nomadic tribes wandering the tundra.)
The Enclave (actually, this could be interesting. yes, the oil rig was destroyed, but what of Navarro? or the many mainland outposts mentioned? It'd be interesting to see them try to recover. They'd still have an advantage over many factions, remember. Their technology is extremely advanced, and they are the only people we've seen who possess air power. interesting side-quest.)
The Master & Mutant Army (The Master is dead, right? but there are still thousands of mutants wandering the wasteland. some kind of minor involvement with the Mutants would be interesting as well)
Well, I think that just about cleared everyone up. Another few things I'd like to see:
-larger map, more locations
-multiple CD game (i'd be willing to wait)
-at least some kind of explanation of the aliens. wtf are these things, guys?
And so forth. Thanks for your time.
Okay, this has turned really weird. I agree with whoever said that two games with "main bad guys" (i.e. Frankie & The Enclave, The Master & the Mutants) is enough. The third should have numerous main tasks to accomplish, and perhaps a more important final one. This doesn't mean destroying some massive army threatening <insert race here>'s existance.
Here's what I think of the proposed plot-setters in the third Fallout game:
Hubologists (they were really cool. I like the whole idea of the robed Cult that killed anyone in their way. Let's hope their shuttle didn't work or something and they're still here)
Aliens (hey, call them cheesy if you will, but I had other thoughts. What better time for the landing of hostile alien creatures then the during nuclear fallout? I thought they looked really cool. Lots of cool ideas for these guys)
Computers/Androids/Robots/AI (Yeah, if you bothered to talk to the terminal in the San Francisco Brotherhood of Steel basement, ACE, she'll tell you all about AI, and how they become bored and create "scenarios" to amuse themselves. Some say this may have caused the Great War. In any case, it'd be cool to fight Mr. Handy's on the battlefield. =)
Brotherhood of Steel (what? these guys are the saviours of humanity, no? Even if the command staff became corrupt, who would they go for? mutants? already been done.)
Ghouls (this is just ridiculous. these guys can barely walk, let alone amass an army to attack the globe. jesus.)
Outside Nations (this could be cool. However, the only adjacent countries (come on, China attackin from overseas?) are Canada and Mexico. As much as I'd like to see sombrero-wearing Mexican gunmen, I think Canada is the way to go. Not as an enemy , necessarily, but maybe simply as a place to explore, to learn of. I can see it, a great artic wastland with pockets of survivalist, nomadic tribes wandering the tundra.)
The Enclave (actually, this could be interesting. yes, the oil rig was destroyed, but what of Navarro? or the many mainland outposts mentioned? It'd be interesting to see them try to recover. They'd still have an advantage over many factions, remember. Their technology is extremely advanced, and they are the only people we've seen who possess air power. interesting side-quest.)
The Master & Mutant Army (The Master is dead, right? but there are still thousands of mutants wandering the wasteland. some kind of minor involvement with the Mutants would be interesting as well)
Well, I think that just about cleared everyone up. Another few things I'd like to see:
-larger map, more locations
-multiple CD game (i'd be willing to wait)
-at least some kind of explanation of the aliens. wtf are these things, guys?
And so forth. Thanks for your time.
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RE: Ideas
Yeah, I agree that ghouls would make the stupidest enemy, since half of em have crippled limbs. But ya can't under estimate them, if you remember Set from FO1, he has 100 HP and an assault rifle or hunting, I don't remember, and Garret has like a shotgun and something like 75 HP.
Exploring Mexico and Canada would be cool. And having a random encounter of a hockey game in it's native country would be a good one. And to Dyar: What's this arctic wastelands, and nomadic tribes? You have to walk WAY up up north to see those things. Typical first impressions of Canada. The only tribes you'd see are Inuit in the north. All the others are in reserves. At least you're not saying that you'd like to KILL Canadians, like someone said. What I'd like to see in a Canadian setting is a desecrated Mike Harris tombstone, since he's the one who will destroy the Ontario youth's education. Well, maybe nuclear winter caused Canada to be come an arctic wasteland. The whole country I mean. Cause where I live, it gets so goddamn hot in the summer!
And the Enclave are some type of Alien, right? I have no idea, I haven't played enough FO2 to know. I doubt humans are THAT advanced.
And I'm sure the Master's mutants are dead before FO2, FO2 takes place like 100 years after FO1, right? And those mutants were sterile.
I'd like to see WAY more locations, the # of map locations in FO2 was like half of FO1, even though there were mini-locations like the Ghost Farm.
That's all for now....
Yeah, I agree that ghouls would make the stupidest enemy, since half of em have crippled limbs. But ya can't under estimate them, if you remember Set from FO1, he has 100 HP and an assault rifle or hunting, I don't remember, and Garret has like a shotgun and something like 75 HP.
Exploring Mexico and Canada would be cool. And having a random encounter of a hockey game in it's native country would be a good one. And to Dyar: What's this arctic wastelands, and nomadic tribes? You have to walk WAY up up north to see those things. Typical first impressions of Canada. The only tribes you'd see are Inuit in the north. All the others are in reserves. At least you're not saying that you'd like to KILL Canadians, like someone said. What I'd like to see in a Canadian setting is a desecrated Mike Harris tombstone, since he's the one who will destroy the Ontario youth's education. Well, maybe nuclear winter caused Canada to be come an arctic wasteland. The whole country I mean. Cause where I live, it gets so goddamn hot in the summer!
And the Enclave are some type of Alien, right? I have no idea, I haven't played enough FO2 to know. I doubt humans are THAT advanced.
And I'm sure the Master's mutants are dead before FO2, FO2 takes place like 100 years after FO1, right? And those mutants were sterile.
I'd like to see WAY more locations, the # of map locations in FO2 was like half of FO1, even though there were mini-locations like the Ghost Farm.
That's all for now....
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RE: Ideas
Don't the wrong idea, Insomaniac. I'm as Canadian as they come. And I know that most of the Inuits live way up north, but it'd be interesting if Canadian civilization as we know it collapsed, and the Iniut came down to take it's place? Or even, older Native nations (Algonquin, Iroquois, etc.) Canada's version of "tribals".
Don't the wrong idea, Insomaniac. I'm as Canadian as they come. And I know that most of the Inuits live way up north, but it'd be interesting if Canadian civilization as we know it collapsed, and the Iniut came down to take it's place? Or even, older Native nations (Algonquin, Iroquois, etc.) Canada's version of "tribals".
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Oh. My bad.
Um, then why did you say "arctic wasteland"?
Another random encounter -- You find a group of people, and 2 of them are talking. One is saying things like, "Where's your touque?" and "Do you need a donut?". Then the other man beats the annoying one down.
The random encounters possibilities are endless. But now more on topic, main enemies are harder to think up. Or maybe the enemy is your own self. Yeah, maybe you kill the end boss, and discover he's innocent and then go insane? Like maybe some alien being has done some strange thing to you, making you belive that the most likely things are true?
Um, then why did you say "arctic wasteland"?
Another random encounter -- You find a group of people, and 2 of them are talking. One is saying things like, "Where's your touque?" and "Do you need a donut?". Then the other man beats the annoying one down.
The random encounters possibilities are endless. But now more on topic, main enemies are harder to think up. Or maybe the enemy is your own self. Yeah, maybe you kill the end boss, and discover he's innocent and then go insane? Like maybe some alien being has done some strange thing to you, making you belive that the most likely things are true?
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The terrain would be like arctic wasteland as a result of the nuclear war. Not that anyone would attack Canada, but still. Ever heard of Nuclear Winter? Something like that.
The terrain would be like arctic wasteland as a result of the nuclear war. Not that anyone would attack Canada, but still. Ever heard of Nuclear Winter? Something like that.
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The enemy, They should be........
Think about it, who are the weaslest people ever. THE SWISS!! the say, oh we're nutral, we don't want to fight. but what do they do, They supply our people with hunting knives to kill each other with, they want us to kill each other till there is only swiss left, (they want world domintation, but they're doing it the sneaky way) they should be the damn enemy!!!!!!!!
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Think about it, who are the weaslest people ever. THE SWISS!! the say, oh we're nutral, we don't want to fight. but what do they do, They supply our people with hunting knives to kill each other with, they want us to kill each other till there is only swiss left, (they want world domintation, but they're doing it the sneaky way) they should be the damn enemy!!!!!!!!
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RE: Oh. My bad.
>The terrain would be like arctic
>wasteland as a result of
>the nuclear war. Not that
>anyone would attack Canada, but
>still. Ever heard of Nuclear
>Winter? Something like that.
The nuclear winter theory is widely discredited. Its conception in 1982 was used mostly by anti-nuclear activists to call for disarmament rather than preparing fallout shelters for a nuclear war since the idea of surviving a nuclear war, and the nuclear winter, would be impossible. It was also used by Soviets in order to demoralize enemies.
If anything, the landscape would be exactly as it is in Fallout.
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>The terrain would be like arctic
>wasteland as a result of
>the nuclear war. Not that
>anyone would attack Canada, but
>still. Ever heard of Nuclear
>Winter? Something like that.
The nuclear winter theory is widely discredited. Its conception in 1982 was used mostly by anti-nuclear activists to call for disarmament rather than preparing fallout shelters for a nuclear war since the idea of surviving a nuclear war, and the nuclear winter, would be impossible. It was also used by Soviets in order to demoralize enemies.
If anything, the landscape would be exactly as it is in Fallout.
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RE: The enemy, They should be........
>Think about it, who are the
>weaslest people ever. THE SWISS!!
>the say, oh we're nutral,
>we don't want to fight.
>but what do they do,
>They supply our people with
>hunting knives to kill each
>other with, they want us
>to kill each other till
>there is only swiss left,
>(they want world domintation, but
>they're doing it the sneaky
>way) they should be the
>damn enemy!!!!!!!!
They're not as innocent and neutral as you might suspect. They made the Allies pay them to not help finance Hitler's campaign. Then they wouldn't give back the money and property belonging to the Jews who left their money in Swiss bank accounts. They didn't stay neutral to promote peace, they stayed neutral in order to benefit themselves.
Hell, if I were Hitler in 1940, Switzerland would be the first place I'd attack. Who cares if they're neutral, they had(ve) the Swiss bank, the largest, richest bank in the world, and they were in the very center of the land Germany controlled. Sheesh, idiots.
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>Think about it, who are the
>weaslest people ever. THE SWISS!!
>the say, oh we're nutral,
>we don't want to fight.
>but what do they do,
>They supply our people with
>hunting knives to kill each
>other with, they want us
>to kill each other till
>there is only swiss left,
>(they want world domintation, but
>they're doing it the sneaky
>way) they should be the
>damn enemy!!!!!!!!
They're not as innocent and neutral as you might suspect. They made the Allies pay them to not help finance Hitler's campaign. Then they wouldn't give back the money and property belonging to the Jews who left their money in Swiss bank accounts. They didn't stay neutral to promote peace, they stayed neutral in order to benefit themselves.
Hell, if I were Hitler in 1940, Switzerland would be the first place I'd attack. Who cares if they're neutral, they had(ve) the Swiss bank, the largest, richest bank in the world, and they were in the very center of the land Germany controlled. Sheesh, idiots.
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RE: Oh. My bad.
Damnit!
He knows too much!
Damnit!
He knows too much!
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Dyar, I did mention nuclear winter in my previous post
Maybe you were just skimming through my post, and you missed it?
Maybe you were just skimming through my post, and you missed it?
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RE: The enemy should be.......
Maybe, but Hitler, would've taken them down eventualy, but he had to cross the mountains, (I think) and its like trying to cross with elephants, (It don't work) Half of the german army would've dies on the way there. But whink of all the kewl items and knives we could have in F# if the swiss were the badguys.
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Maybe, but Hitler, would've taken them down eventualy, but he had to cross the mountains, (I think) and its like trying to cross with elephants, (It don't work) Half of the german army would've dies on the way there. But whink of all the kewl items and knives we could have in F# if the swiss were the badguys.
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Fight Swiss? No...
[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Aug-02-00 AT 06:23PM (GMT)[p]Actually, attacking Switzerland would be an extremely bad idea. They have an armed neutrality. Attacking Switzerland, would be more closely related to attacking a high security military base than a country. If attacked, the Swiss would destroy all bridges, tunnels, and mountain passes leading into the country. (I'm not sure if this system was active in the 1940's though.) If the attacking army would have made it through this, they would have had to fight the most highly trained army in the world(?). All males between the ages of 20-50 are required to participate in active military service (unless exempeted). The Swiss army was widely known as the most skilled of the armies during the 1500's. They were actually the countries main export. The Swiss neutrality came up after the Battle of Marignanno, in which the Swiss soldiers, hired by the French, suffered heavy losses. They realized that the only way to survive as a nation would be to stay out of foriegn wars. And if you guessed that I wrote this post while reading the damn encyclopedia, you're right.
And if anyone is wondering, I DON"T live in Switzerland.
[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Aug-02-00 AT 06:23PM (GMT)[p]Actually, attacking Switzerland would be an extremely bad idea. They have an armed neutrality. Attacking Switzerland, would be more closely related to attacking a high security military base than a country. If attacked, the Swiss would destroy all bridges, tunnels, and mountain passes leading into the country. (I'm not sure if this system was active in the 1940's though.) If the attacking army would have made it through this, they would have had to fight the most highly trained army in the world(?). All males between the ages of 20-50 are required to participate in active military service (unless exempeted). The Swiss army was widely known as the most skilled of the armies during the 1500's. They were actually the countries main export. The Swiss neutrality came up after the Battle of Marignanno, in which the Swiss soldiers, hired by the French, suffered heavy losses. They realized that the only way to survive as a nation would be to stay out of foriegn wars. And if you guessed that I wrote this post while reading the damn encyclopedia, you're right.
And if anyone is wondering, I DON"T live in Switzerland.
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What about this .Vault-tec were asked to build lots of vaults for the govement as well as p private ones . so they would be filthy rich so maybe the build some large secret vaults By the best guns an amour they could and try to conquer the world.
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RE: Dyar, I did mention nuclear winter in my previous post
Jesus Christ that's freaky.
I remember everything else in the post except that. How the hell did I miss that?
Sorry man, my bad.
Jesus Christ that's freaky.
I remember everything else in the post except that. How the hell did I miss that?
Sorry man, my bad.
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RE: Fight Swiss? No...
>Actually, attacking Switzerland would be an
>extremely bad idea. They
>have an armed neutrality.
>Attacking Switzerland, would be more
>closely related to attacking a
>high security military base than
>a country. If attacked,
>the Swiss would destroy all
>bridges, tunnels, and mountain passes
>leading into the country.
>(I'm not sure if this
>system was active in the
>1940's though.) If the
>attacking army would have made
>it through this, they would
>have had to fight the
>most highly trained army in
>the world(?).
They do have the most elite army in the world currently. They were the ones who trained the Iraeli army which successfully countered many attacks from bordering nations during its fight for independence in the 50s. Hell it took over the Sinai peninsula while it was at it.
However I have to wonder if this was the case during the 1940s. They were probably in pretty good shape anyway since they didn't bother with WWI either. How they fared against tanks and air attack is another question...
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>Actually, attacking Switzerland would be an
>extremely bad idea. They
>have an armed neutrality.
>Attacking Switzerland, would be more
>closely related to attacking a
>high security military base than
>a country. If attacked,
>the Swiss would destroy all
>bridges, tunnels, and mountain passes
>leading into the country.
>(I'm not sure if this
>system was active in the
>1940's though.) If the
>attacking army would have made
>it through this, they would
>have had to fight the
>most highly trained army in
>the world(?).
They do have the most elite army in the world currently. They were the ones who trained the Iraeli army which successfully countered many attacks from bordering nations during its fight for independence in the 50s. Hell it took over the Sinai peninsula while it was at it.
However I have to wonder if this was the case during the 1940s. They were probably in pretty good shape anyway since they didn't bother with WWI either. How they fared against tanks and air attack is another question...
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