Why 3D?

Not a big fan of 3D myself. I didn't hate the Van Buren screenshots, but compared with the atmosphere of Fallout and Arcanum, those screenshots just lacked a lot.
And think about the continuity of the series: 3D will ruin that. That's like going to see the Lord Of The Rings trilogy and finding out that - although the first two movies are using similar techniques - the third one is a holographic projection or something. Yeah! Great trilogy that would be (spare me the juvenile 'Wow! Holograms!'). You get the point.

Also: 3D gives too much possibilities. I can already see it happen: in Fallout 3 you'll be able to zoom in or change perspective (isometric->first person, third person, whatever). It'll fuck up the feeling such a series should have and it'll most certainly fuck up the gameplay (I'm really concerned about the combat engine when FO3 goes 3D, I don't see that happening in TB anymore, to be honest). Look at the main menu screenshot from FO3: true, it's not finished, but having the possibility to zoom in like that, nah, that just ruins it for me. And by the way: that was the lamest screenshot of them all. The two others looked good, but tell you what: a state of the art 2D engine would make those two 3D Van Buren screenshots look like the biggest pile of Brahmin crap in no time. I just can't see it: if isometric view is the way to go (and it is: again, because of the continuity), then way in hell's name waste time on a 3D engine. For the modders? Pffff... I've never seen a mod of a game I liked, that was better than that game. So, why bother thinking about that (sorry modders!).

I keep finding it particularly funny that lots of Fallout fans thought the graphics of Fallout Tactics were too slick in comparison with FO and FO2, but that most of these fans wouldn't mind FO3 to be in 3D. 'Think of all those slick graphics!' Bwaahahaha!

It'll happen of course. Progress. Stupid teenagers with too much pocket money who can buy the latest graphic card (each month or so).

Pffff... the golden days of Fallout are over. 3D will be the death of it. My two cents. :(

If FO3 ever hits the shelves and it's in 3D, I'm not even going to buy it.
 
especially the vault in van buren was ...well....it wasnt fallout....

if, i mean IF, someone would pick up fallout3, then dont use the van buren project.....
 
Blade Runner said:
3D gives too much possibilities(...) in Fallout 3 you'll be able to (...) change perspective (isometric->first person, third person, whatever).
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thats not true
on this site in F3 FAQ i read that - fallout 3 is 3d game, yes, but u will be able only to isometric look

The camera is locked at an angle. Moving the mouse to the edges of the screen results in panning. Right and left arrow rotate the camera around its focus on the terrain by 45 degrees. Up and down arrow go to directly overhead and back down to 38.5 (IIRC) degrees, respectivel
and...

i see im the only one person which LOVE this screens, for me F1/2 have great atmosphere, fallout tactics very good atmopshere but f3 have fuckin great atmosphere, the screenshots are just perfect 4me (and i couldnt imagine how this game woudl look in action with sound and music :shock: )
 
daveee said:
Blade Runner said:
3D gives too much possibilities(...) in Fallout 3 you'll be able to (...) change perspective (isometric->first person, third person, whatever).
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thats not true
on this site in F3 FAQ i read that - fallout 3 is 3d game, yes, but u will be able only to isometric look
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Don't forget that Van Buren has been shelved and - most probably -will never get finished. Plus: these devs knew what they where toying with and they cared about the fans.

Now picture this: Bioware or SilverStyle or some other crapola company gets the job and starts thinking 3D. 'All possibilities are landing at our feet,' they'll say, and they'll be thinking about 'The Fall' and 'Gothic' and 'Morrowwind' and such. 3D is - in the first place - all about graphics and rarely about gameplay. So: meh, thanks but no thanks. 3D is just too tricky for a Fallout sequel.
 
The problem with 3d is that it's still too simplistic. Or rather, 3d lends to simplistic design. A lot of 3d games, even recent, tend to have a simplistic environment that is repeated in a cookie-cutter and drag and drop method.

Instead, there will be more effort put upon how the textures look instead of how the environment is portrayed.

That's the main problem with 3d. Not the specs, but what the developers do with it, or rather what they don't do with it.

The term that describes this problem in artistic design is "sterile" and it applies quite well.
 
àgain, i have to say that half life 2 graphic looked awsome....im no big fan of half life, but that grraphic made water run in my mouth
 
Roshambo said:
The problem with 3d is that it's still too simplistic. Or rather, 3d lends to simplistic design.
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Imagine Fallout without the junk strewn on the floor and in every corner, without lumps of your decimated enemies littering the battlefield, with perfectly flat, crisp, clean, complete walls.
Wouldn't be right.

To add in all those things (otherwise known as the details) in a 3D engine (properly rendered, no lumps made of 6 or 7 polygons) would push up the required specs a little.
 
Big_T_UK said:
Imagine Fallout without the junk strewn on the floor and in every corner, without lumps of your decimated enemies littering the battlefield, with perfectly flat, crisp, clean, complete walls.
Wouldn't be right.
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Did you play Devastation? It should've been called Trash, because the amount of miscelaneous junk littering the levels is just staggering.
 
APTYP said:
Did you play Devastation? It should've been called Trash, because the amount of miscelaneous junk littering the levels is just staggering.
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No, I didn't. I'm not really into first person shooters.
What sort of spec did it need to run with all the junk?
I still prefer 2d, dunno why.
 
Obviously, you need a pretty powerful machine, although not a cutting-edge. It's UT2003 engine IIRC.
 
3D is fast approaching the level of detail that a 2D game like Fallout could pull off, though I don't believe it is quite there yet.

Right now, the 3D game I would most endorse graphically would be Gothic II, being a rather good RPG as well. Not that it is better than something like Far Cry, but it is more original. The design works better (it's one of the first games where I felt that the population could actually survive on the food sources provided, you hardly see enough farms in Fallout) though they create buildings on a one-by-one basis, which is good. The amount of detail with the outdoors is impressive, the forests are lush, and it feels like a world that could work.

Like Rosh said, it depends heavily on the developers, though I believe that is true of any game, regardless of engine or genre. Lazy developers will create half-assed games, period. Dedicated developers have a chance to develop good games, though they can screw up. Gothic has good developers, as did the original Fallout.
 
I thought that Fallout3 WON'T come out? wasn't it cancelled at one point?

And I would like to keep the ol' fashion way too.
 
No, it wasn't canned - officially.
Yes, it's not going to come out.
No, I don't understand what does that have to do with anything.
 
APTYP said:
No, I don't understand what does that have to do with anything.
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What I meant is that I would like to keep the 2d style. The ol' fashion way. It's highly possible, that 3d will ruin the spirit of the game... and besides with a older computer it won't probably work too good.

Now do you understand?
 
I thought that Fallout3 WON'T come out? wasn't it cancelled at one point?
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I don't understand what FO3 not coming out has to do with tossing around the idea of Fallout in 3D.
 
Yes, it was off-topic, I agree. I was just so amazed, I thought that Fallout3 had been cancelled. There is a god!

And I would like to keep the ol' fashion way too.
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^ I made a no-off-topic statement too. :wink:
 
Who said it's supposed to matter? Why should anything discussed on fan message boards matter? If it did, don't you think Interplay would've made FO3 years ago?
 
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