Why Catholicism, despite its flaws, is aces in my book

[[Rusty Chopper]]

We've already heard that.

Der Gott ist tot. And all that. But I'd rather He existed.

Because I want to believe in something absolute. That makes life easier.

Maybe it sounds childish.

 

[John Uskglass]

Much as I may love him, I have to disagree with Alec, and to be fair he really has no room to critiscize people for being closed minded for not rejecting God, let alone calling someone 'childish'.

 

[Big T]

Without trying to marginalise the marginalists, I fail to see a clear line between Unitarianism and agnosticism. It errs between one who hedges his (her) bets and one who makes no bets at all.

Now, since being raised as an atheist,* I have edged into agnosticism, occasionally "lapsing" somewhat into Unitarianism (or somewhere not a million miles away from there), but have never found any overriding Truth to justify any religion.

Anyone who mentions that "faith" is the guiding force in this has failed in their mission. There are many religions; faith is a non-specific term. Why would the faith of a lifetime non-believer settle upon your religion?


*Yes, I was raised as an atheist, despite the fact that my Dad (read: primary parental influence) was not an atheist at the time (also, my stepmother was a Catholic). In fact, he tended towards Methodist for some of that time. Hence the fact that I was baptised.

Also, as a note to Fireblade, I am the most morally convicted person the I know, religious or undecided or atheist, in the case of my dear ole' Dad these days), I have broadly found that religion is a great barrier (and often a sound excuse) to morality.

I thoroughly reject the notion that non-religiousness is somehow correlated with moral decrepitude (as was expressed in you post, whether deliberatly or accidental).

A notion of a "greater" force or being (to be fair, you never specified whether Alec's lack of a sense of "something greater" was supposed to be of a being or a noncommital force) is not neccesary to be a morally correct being. In fact, the idea that such would judge you removes much of the point of morality: religious morality is often little more than simple fear.

I do honestly hope that I am a drunken idiot, that I misunderstood "The point of the whole damn argument I made was that the faith did not matter, as long as you have faith in SOMETHING to make you act better to others." as this seems to advocate that you base your morality on some kind of greater power. God, Allah, Television, Election, Home Run.

 

[Lazarus Plus]

I'm basically with alec on this, though not with a dash of elitism.

I used to be a believer, went to Bible Camp, tried my oh so hardest... and it feels great when you can squelch those doubts and BELIEVE. But my mind is not wired to shut down that way. I kept thinking and questioning until I got to where I am today.

It seems to me that ultimately faith and science are not and cannot be compatible, whatever people would try and have us believe. Ultimately "God" will either be shown to exist as postulates on the nature of the universe that are never observably violated or... perhaps will we bump into him and he took a long vacation after Creation. I find it hard to believe that a God would create a universe and then take his hands off of it. Who knows? But everytime a church officially relegates something else that was in God's purview to science, they lose a little bit more credibility.

I am an atheist. I desperately wished that God did exist but I'm not convinced at all of it. I personally have the belief that even a classical eternal Hell of the Old Testament beats plain old oblivion.

 

[welsh]

I'm basically with alec on this, though not with a dash of elitism.
blah blah blah....

I am an atheist. I desperately wished that God did exist but I'm not convinced at all of it. I personally have the belief that even a classical eternal Hell of the Old Testament beats plain old oblivion.

Next stop.... Mormonism.

@Montez, it is nice to see the Catholics playing it smart. Their rejection of creationism, etc, might be a lesson from back in the Galileo Galilei days, and I had to defend the Catholic Church against a Lutheran. "I mean, you don't really think most of us Catholics buy that whole infalliable Pope thing, do you?"

Sure the Church has got its issues (pedophila being one) that it needs to come out of closet with (ok bad pun).

That said, as Father Guido Sarducci famously said, "It's all politics."

That said, you know the Evengelicals will just go on about us Catholics being Papist heathens.....

Yeah, in response-
Fuck you Evengelicals! We got Peter, you bunch of wacko freaks.

 

[Dapper Dan Man]

Without trying to marginalise the marginalists, I fail to see a clear line between Unitarianism and agnosticism. It errs between one who hedges his (her) bets and one who makes no bets at all.

Now, since being raised as an atheist,* I have edged into agnosticism, occasionally "lapsing" somewhat into Unitarianism (or somewhere not a million miles away from there), but have never found any overriding Truth to justify any religion.

Anyone who mentions that "faith" is the guiding force in this has failed in their mission. There are many religions; faith is a non-specific term. Why would the faith of a lifetime non-believer settle upon your religion?


*Yes, I was raised as an atheist, despite the fact that my Dad (read: primary parental influence) was not an atheist at the time (also, my stepmother was a Catholic). In fact, he tended towards Methodist for some of that time. Hence the fact that I was baptised.

Also, as a note to Fireblade, I am the most morally convicted person the I know, religious or undecided or atheist, in the case of my dear ole' Dad these days), I have broadly found that religion is a great barrier (and often a sound excuse) to morality.

I thoroughly reject the notion that non-religiousness is somehow correlated with moral decrepitude (as was expressed in you post, whether deliberatly or accidental).

A notion of a "greater" force or being (to be fair, you never specified whether Alec's lack of a sense of "something greater" was supposed to be of a being or a noncommital force) is not neccesary to be a morally correct being. In fact, the idea that such would judge you removes much of the point of morality: religious morality is often little more than simple fear.

I do honestly hope that I am a drunken idiot, that I misunderstood "The point of the whole damn argument I made was that the faith did not matter, as long as you have faith in SOMETHING to make you act better to others." as this seems to advocate that you base your morality on some kind of greater power. God, Allah, Television, Election, Home Run.

I apologize if I made it seem that I was stating one had to believe in a 'higher power' in order to be moral, but you are correc tto assume that you misinterpreted what I meant. My main point was to say that in believing in something beyond self-gratification makes us noble. If you look back through the post, I tried to imply that one could be a humanist for example and not believe in God. In fact there are many like that. The point though is that a 'moral' person has something to dedicate their life to besides hedonism or pleasure. THAT was what I meant by the 'higher purpose'. While I believe in God, it is not the belief that makes me try to act moral. Even if God were to not exist, it is the desire to DO good that matters, and the ONLY thing that matters.

I guess that was the main point: To not be an asshole. It's that simple? What gives you strength to be a moral person is not as important as ACTING moral, honorable, and so on. I was a bit vicious with alec but I think it was somewhat just given the comments? I don't dislike him, but I do virulently disagree with his view on life. Some of my best friends are atheists, I used to be an atheist, and so on. It is not a matter of belief or not to me...there are many, many good people in the world who don't believe in a thing. Yet the point is that they are, in fact, good people. The problem I was concerned with is assuming that lack of faith implies suddenly seeing hedonism as the only recourse to live by. Which, in a way, I felt alec was implying.

 

[Montez]

@Montez, it is nice to see the Catholics playing it smart. Their rejection of creationism, etc, might be a lesson from back in the Galileo Galilei days, and I had to defend the Catholic Church against a Lutheran. "I mean, you don't really think most of us Catholics buy that whole infalliable Pope thing, do you?"

Heh, I had the same thing in the back of my head while I was reading it. Took them a few hundred years to come around, but better late than never.

That said, as Father Guido Sarducci famously said, "It's all politics."

I always liked that guy. I wonder if anyone here besides you and I know who he is.

 

[Bradylama]

It seems to me that ultimately faith and science are not and cannot be compatible, whatever people would try and have us believe.

Only when one's faith is proven to be fundamentally bogus.

If I had faith in the fact that the moon was made out of cheese, then decades of established scientific knowlege would have something to say about it.

Ultimately science explains the hows but not the whys. To state that science and religion aren't compatible depends on how you classify their compatibility. Is it not possible for a religious man to be scientific? Science is ultimately, after all, method, and not an established system of universal truths.

"You got your scientific chocolate in my religious peanut butter."

I was raised as a member of the Church of Christ, yet when I began to perceive the world with reason and logic, it became impossible to have faith. How could I have faith in something when I know it not to be fact? I would only be lying to myself going back to being the good old man 'a Goad.

Do I believe in a God? Only in as much as I think one could exist. I'm not going to pretend to know the answers.

 

[Lanesracra]

Man, fuck you guys and the travesties you call "beliefs". No man is complete without the elder gods.

I'a Cthulhu!

 

[Montez]

Man, fuck you guys and the travesties you call "beliefs". No man is complete without the elder gods.

I'a Cthulhu!

I have some respect for Cthulhu and his/her/its followers, but their staunch Pro-Insanity stance has really alienated me.

 

[Lazarus Plus]

Next stop.... Mormonism.

Explain, please.

 

[alec]

Thanks for the lightshow, alec. Sorry to saw however, but coming from someone who he himself professes to lack any sort of morals whatsoever, I have to be a bit skeptical there? I mean, given your own vaunted university knowledge and degrees and such, it is amusing that it doesn't seem to matter at all given the propensity of university degrees out there possessed by people who *do* have faith in something better? Honestly, the only insane person here I would think would be you for stating this is the best of all possible worlds, don't give a shit about anybody but yourself, give in to whatever vice you favor, etc.

And do you honestly believe that good ol' wishy-washy alec has been like this for thirty years? Don't you think I've been through all of that do-good-and-be-happy-crap you find so sublime? I went to church when I was a naive little jerk and know-it-all like you. I've said my hail mary’s and what have you after breaking my sister's left arm by accident or stealing some candy at the grocery. I've cried to the heavens and asked my parents for advice when the going got tough. I even did the long and lonely walks through green pastures meditating on life and death and the mystery of how it all works. Then one grows up. One loses his dad to cancer. One sees how his sister falls in love with a gangster, runs away from home, gets pregnant and finds herself all alone again, well, not quite, rather with an extra mouth to feed but no money and no job. One falls in love with a girl, the most beautiful girl in the world (one thinks) and one worships that girl, one would kiss the ground she walks on, only to discover that this love is not mutual but faked by her just because you've gathered some fame somehow and you’ve some money to spent. One hears how that youngest daughter from the neighbours got gangbanged by a group of Moroccans and had to have an abortion at age 14. One sees footage from 9/11, tsunami, WO2, concentration camps, the madness in the Middle East. One gets unemployed and one starts to drink and smoke all his troubles and sorrow away. Drugs, anti-depressants, hookers, more drugs, more anti-depressants. One is just one step away from cutting his wrists. It takes no miracle from some fucked up God to cure misery like that, kid. It takes your last dose of human dignity and your last breath of air. It takes lots of discipline and the best set of ideas and solutions in the goddamn galaxy.
So quit pointing a finger in good ol’ wishy-washy alec’s direction, kid, and don't you talk to me about your fucked up God. If I were to meet him, I'd bite his throat open and urinate in his gullet until he chokes to death on my stinking piss. Don't come talking to me about your so-called morals and dignity and wisdom and laws, 'cause you wouldn't recognize wisdom even if it stared you in the face and spat in your eye. Before you start to call me insane, you'd better be able to show me a decent record of thirty years or more of 'survival of the fittest' on this hard, violent and lonely planet instead of talking out of your neck whilst still living under the protective wings of your mommy and daddy. You don't know shit about life, kid, and still you expect me to listen to your blabbering about God and admit that you are right? If you were my kid, I'd steal your pocket money, buy a whip with it and spank your scrotum so long and so hard, you'd be squealing like a castrated piglet for the rest of your days.

Where is *your* sense of something greater? What keeps you going day to day if it isn't licking feet per se? Studying science and such, i can easily claim the natural order and 'geometry' of the universe is indicitive of certain laws that were postulated by a divine source. I could also say that the "belief in heroes makes us heroic" as a wiser person said.

Are you a random collection of fucked up quotes or do you think for yourself now and then? The belief in heroes makes us heroic? In which fortune cookie did you find that one? Had a bad curry with that? I sure hope so.
Now I’ll tell you where my “sense of something greater” is: at night, when I look at the sky and I look really well (because there’s so much light pollution in our modern cities) and I see a star or maybe, if I’m lucky, I see two or three or four stars, I have a sense of something greater: a big black space filled with practically nothing but balls of fire, a fire that eventually will go out, everywhere. And I like that. It makes me feel all small and meaningless. A speck of dust. Alone. And miserable. No one’s looking out for me, but me. And that’s what keeps me going: self-preservation. It’s something genetic that screams to me: ‘You have to stay alive, you have to watch your back!’ And another one: reproduction, who’s voice squeals: ‘Fuck that pussy, oh yeah, fuck it hard, stuff that chick with your delicious man cream!’ Thank “God”, most of them sluts are on the pill, eh?
I don’t believe in Intelligent Design, because it’s a fucking retarded idea. I’ve said this before and I’ll keep on repeating it until you mongoloids start to get the point: if your so-called God created the universe and everything in it, then who created him? Ha! I bet you can’t answer that one, eh? Loser.
The only thing that makes sense is a closed universe and the idea of perpetual return, because that means there isn’t a real beginning to everything nor a real end. Reality as a movie on endless repeat. It sure beats the idea of some omnipotent, ethereal, sick, twisted and sadistic bastard God, if you ask me. And there’s more salvation and hope in understanding that you are reliving the same life again and again, than in becoming a sheep and hoping that one day you’ll get your own private cloud up in heaven.

Truth and wisdom? Funny how all the wise people seem to be saying opposite of what you say is 'truth'. Do good for others, believe in things such as good and evil and choose the former, don't forget to remember to be thankful for what you DO have. You know, being a decent person (which must be so terribly, terribly difficult). Honestly, I think the rantings of someone who feels alone and unloved are the more childish, as they reflect the wonderful angsty teen years better than any I have ever heard of. The point of the whole damn argument I made was that the faith did not matter, as long as you have faith in SOMETHING to make you act better to others. There is some 'wisdom' for you. That, maybe, morality isn't some absurd quality that only psychopaths worship and intelligent people ignore. For any 'sane' and 'rational' individual, there is the proper assertion that human beings are *not* rational and that some of our greatest and worst qualities come from seeking to go beyond what we know. That our codes of society are predicated not just on morality, but that society as a whole and virtue rely on the beliefs of individual people to accept there are higher standards than pleasure.

Blah blah blah, kid. Now I need morals and faith to act better than others? What the fuck would you know? You’re still wasting tax money by occupying a place in school whilst it is pretty damn obvious to me that you’re genuine McDonalds material and aren’t worth the effort. ‘Cause trust me: that’s where you’ll eventually end up if you keep acting the way you are. Either McDonalds or a monastery. Let me tell you something about life, kiddo: it’s rough. It’s hard. And it sucks. And your handy dandy morals and faith in humanity and god and what have you, will get you nowhere. The only thing that matters out there is bling bling. And lots of it. If you ain’t got no bling bling, you might as well take your faith and morals and stick them up your arse until you resemble a stuffed turkey. People aren’t good. People are vile and mean and sly. If you treat them like your equal, they will spit you in the eye. If you wave your bling bling at them and show them who you are, they will wait to spit on you until you’ve turned your back to them, but they’ll still spit. Morality is a sucker’s solution to his weakness. All these laws and rules and all this Christian ‘wisdom’ was invented to protect the weak herd of mongoloids like you from being butchered and beaten and raped. Survival of the fittest, a evolutionary process that kept us fit and smart and capable has deteriorated into a survival of the weakest: modern society is an incubator that breathes life into a huge pile of offal. That’s why intelligent people should despise all your morals and all your rules and all your so-called wisdom: it’s the word of the herd, the cry of the lamb, and it only breeds more degenerates who will keep the incubator working day and night, the big mechanism of producing crap and consuming crap, the carrousel of Western civilization. You go do your good deeds, kid, and you go preach your values and morals and wisdom to the big flock out there. I’m sure you already know that there is a black sheep in every flock, but trust me: one day you’ll discover that he’s probably the only one you’ll be able to trust to tell you the truth. The real truth.

 

[Arachnivore]

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flaws in people (such as prejudice against homosexuality)

What if I don't like fags? I won't go to heaven or what?

I don't really believe in heaven or hell. You sort-of cut that out of context. I would argue that Jesus wouldn't have condoned prejudice, yet it's clear that many people try to justify their prejudice with the Bible. I don't care if you hate "fags". I'm not even Christian. I'm just trying to point out how many religions have become a "perversion of their former self". Is that any more clear?

]Plato described human nature that hasn't changed much since ancient Greece. You shouldn't call something bullshit just because it was written ages ago.

O.K. "chalk full of bullshit" was a little harsh on poor old Plato, but I still disagree with Plato on various subjects. He advocated Aristocracy as the best form of government and I believe his Ideas about "the forms" and consciousness were sort-of backwards. I didn't say that Plato's writings are bullshit because they were written ages ago. I said that progress in philosophy has been made, yes. I happen to think Hume gave a more accurate description of human perception (among other things) and he made an effort to rid philosophy of poor logic based on word play and loose grammar structure (a form of logic that Plato used often). I don't really have time to go into depth about why I'm not a fan of Plato but it has little to do with how old his Ideas are. I don't consider philosophy to be one of those subjects that ages poorly.

 

[Brother None]

Ehehehe, dang, Fireblade just can't stay out of those lengthy arguments.

 

[Dapper Dan Man]

Ehehehe, dang, Fireblade just can't stay out of those lengthy arguments.

I'm a sucker for pissing people off?


Well, I am going to answer alec's poor little rant about how the world hates him and omgIneedstoslitmywrists. Grow the fuck up indeed. Harsh life? Yeah, well I've been there too. I'll shed a damn tear for you when you show me the warranty where it says life is a frigging picnic, alec. I would really give a damn but in all reality it is more amusing to see you cry ineffectually in the dark about how no one loves you. I've seen much of the same shit as you: a repeated convict for a brother in law, a cocaine junkie in the family, one of my best friends killed by a drunk driver needlessly, my other best friend in Iraq. Seeing all the same shit you see on tv. Having grown up with a knife by the bed for five years thinking about having to quite literally kill someone who you think may or may not be abusing your wife and brother. Fist fights witht he same person, being thrown out of the house. Walking into a stranger's house, a bum off the street, and talking to him for hours about life. About how he killed his father, about how he was so scared of being alone.

Taking those same damn anti-depressants, writing that same angsty poetry, yeah. So boo fucking hoo, you got dumped as a kid by a girl who played you for a fool. Get used to it. Given your age, I would think you would have slipped out of the whiny goth-emo mix that so typlifies useless dregs on society. The whole "The universe hates me personally, there is nothing there we are alone." Your bullshit stinks worse, you fraud. You have given up on basically all that is supposed to mean a person can change. In all of your godawful readings on human morality you claim to have done, you apparently haven't even gleaned a clue that your life is pretty godamn easy compared to everyone else. The religion for suckers which you despise seems to be doing pretty damn well given people who have *really* suffered, fraud.

Instead, your 'religion' is a religion of individualism: "I am better than everyone else". Conceit? Your hypocrisy astounds me given that at least my beliefs involve trying to help others. I know that is too much for a stretch for you, but sometime between the moment your mother forced you from her womb in abject pain and you writing your turgid shit of a post, you were given a helping hand at least once in life. Someone at least once, and most assuredly hundreds of times has helped your wanker of a life along without any expectation of a reward. Someone was there to keep you from being a complete failure and either wasting yourself, or else was there to just be a nice person. That is what humanism is, you selfish bastard. That helping hand that despite how someone might despise you and your beliefs, they will help you out of the gutter. Maybe one day *you* will get some wisdom in your damn skull, that your angsty trash of a belief system might give way to being a decent human being.

 

[alec]

Pfft... I must say that I am not impressed. Your feeble attempt at teaching me a lesson (or whatever the purpose of your post was) has failed miserably. Judging by your words, you're the one that's living the emo-crap-life, not me. I climbed out of that cesspool many months ago. I can understand why a degenerate who has no clues whatsoever about the real life (not the MTV show, mind you - just saying, you never know how kids with a limited knowledge of life like yourself will interpret these kind of things) wants to act all good in the hope that others will do the same with him and save him from the shit he has gotten himself into. But it's useless in your case. I can cry a million times 'Time to wake up, kid.' You refuse to hear it. You merely picked out the simple stuff from my post, the stuff that you are capable to comprehend and left the really good stuff, the stuff that requires a set of brains to decipher, out of your answer. That says enough. I shit on you and your naive idea of what humanism is. And don't stroke your cock/ego too soon, kid: it takes a whole lot more than your limited comprehension of how you can build sentences with words and words with letters to piss me off. You don't even come close. You are a total waste of time and bandwith. I had hoped you were more of a challenge, but after reading what you obviously thought you had to say, I suppose it wouldn't have mattered much if you had just shut up. I advise you to do so now. And while you're at it, go give a poor old blind man a nickel. I'm sure it'll make you feel all special and altruistic and heroic, kid. (Ask a nickel from your mommy if your piggy bank is empty.)

Kudos, kid. See you around.

 

[Dapper Dan Man]

Pfft... I must say that I am not impressed. Your feeble attempt at teaching me a lesson (or whatever the purpose of your post was) has failed miserably. Judging by your words, you're the one that's living the emo-crap-life, not me. I climbed out of that cesspool many months ago. I can understand why a degenerate who has no clues whatsoever about the real life (not the MTV show, mind you - just saying, you never know how kids with a limited knowledge of life like yourself will interpret these kind of things) wants to act all good in the hope that others will do the same with him and save him from the shit he has gotten himself into. But it's useless in your case. I can cry a million times 'Time to wake up, kid.' You refuse to hear it. You merely picked out the simple stuff from my post, the stuff that you are capable to comprehend and left the really good stuff, the stuff that requires a set of brains to decipher, out of your answer. That says enough. I shit on you and your naive idea of what humanism is. And don't stroke your cock/ego too soon, kid: it takes a whole lot more than your limited comprehension of how you can build sentences with words and words with letters to piss me off. You don't even come close. You are a total waste of time and bandwith. I had hoped you were more of a challenge, but after reading what you obviously thought you had to say, I suppose it wouldn't have mattered much if you had just shut up. I advise you to do so now. And while you're at it, go give a poor old blind man a nickel. I'm sure it'll make you feel all special and altruistic and heroic, kid. (Ask a nickel from your mommy if your piggy bank is empty.)

Kudos, kid. See you around.

About what I expected. I don't have to teach you a lesson, life will handle that handily enough once you've tried to dig yourself out of whatever pit of vice you call existing. Ultimately, your entire argument, the original reason you came into this thread was to somehow justify your lifestyle, justify why in fact poor little alec is raging there in the shadows at life. I think you failed in that, because in the end you come off as precisely the bitter and pretentious fool I see all the time. People railing at how life has dealt them a bum hand, but lacking the courage to try to change themselves. Since lord knows you have such courage, delving into every sort of pleasure in order to make yourself feel 'alive'. Calling me a degenerate is an honor, sir, coming from you. 'Time to wake up, kid' indeed...though kind of ironic coming from someone who believes altruism is a lie. I especially love the waste of bandwidth that I have garnered from you, writing those absurdly long posts as somehow to convince me that nope, life is shit and all I need is money to be happy.

I'll see you around at the bottom of that next bottle you down, sitting alone in your living room wondering why you keep on existing. Take heart though...think of how many people make money based on your existence. Why, I am certain a fetish magazine or two will weep at your passing.

 

[alec]

I'd have a beer with you if you were living in the neighbourhood.
In fact, I'd probably have a couple of beers with you if you were living in the neighbourhood. Then, when you would start feeling really drunk and a little homosexual, I'd slap you on the back, and say 'Oh kid, you just kill me' and I'd call a cab for you.

Fact is: I live a wonderful life. I have a girlfriend who cleans my house and prepares my meals, I have this slut at work who sucks my cock and lets me fuck her up the arse, I make approx. 1950 euros netto each month and I have a contract for a graphic novel with a renowned publisher in the Netherlands. I'm living the dream, kid. I have the pussy and I have the bling bling. I don't need no fucking faith and I need none of your fucking morals. I'd rather go to a hooker and suck her toes instead of thinking about *the meaning of it all.* And you hate me for that? Fuck that, kid. You wouldn't be the first mongrel I bitchslapped because they lacked respect for the real thing, yo! You have a lot to learn, kid, and you know it. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if you say *this* and do *that.* You preach love and help and understanding, but you jack yourself off over a Victoria catalogue thinking about raping your neighbours teenage daughter, now don't you? I know your kind, yo! I buttfucked kids like you for some candy back in the good old days. (This sounds so cool, don't it?)

Anyway: Fireblade, stop whining, biatch. Really. I know by now that you are probably the fakest Orderite around. The one who didn't read the stickies. The one who goes to church each and every fucking Sunday just to feel a little more secure about himself. Tell me, kid: were the homosexual thoughts hurting you? Eh?

"Let me explain to you the kind of man Malkavian is. He's a man who knows that when you put another man's cock in your mouth, you make a pact. A bond that cannot be broken. He's a man so dedicated that he will get down on his knees and put that cock right in his mouth. "

I salute you.

You salute him, eh? Well, that tells me enough.
Were you getting scared and frightened while you were pleasuring yourself via the cornhole? Afraid of what people might think? And then you remembered something from long ago, didn't you, some obscure teacher (hazy and unclear, but still present in your teenage fantasies ) who told you to believe and have faith, didn't you? So you got rid of all the traits of a real individual and you joined that group of loonies called 'Teh Christians', the salvation army, there to rescue you from all your dirty secrets. Well, shame on you, kid. I'd rather shake the hand of a pervert than the hand of a so-called believer. Humanist? Don't make me laugh. You read Cat's Cradle and it's the best book you ever read? It's one of Vonnegut's worst, for fuck's sake. Everything you say sounds like crap which makes me believe you're made out of crap as well. Which would be logical in a variety of ways.

This is going to be my last post in this retarded thread because - basically - I have better things to do with my time than posting in a fucked up thread like this. You're a loser and a wanker and a believer in goodness and fairness and whatever. So be it. If you ever knock on my door looking for some money or food, be sure to expect my Doctor Martens in your crotch.

Thank you. It's because of people like you that the madness continues.

 

[Dapper Dan Man]

*Laughs* Thank you alec, I needed a good joke today. Joke is, I could probably kick your ass. Joke is, I am quite happy and no, I'm not a Christian. Joke is, you are afraid of anyone trying to be morally pure, because it is a direct bitchslap in your face. Joke is, your going to be like a particular coworker I had. Just up one day and decide you want to go out with a bang, probably doing heroin. God willing, maybe he is still alive but maybe not.

Thanks man. You remind me so well of what every decent person should avoid being. No, I am sorry to say I have a bit more of an aspiration than to draw cartoons and cheat on my girlfriend and suck on feet and say I have self-respect. My own fantasies aside, I see them as a game and not something integral to my life. I can't imagine where you dredged up the whole rape issue (well, maybe in your fantasies) but my turn-on runs more along the lines of leather and lace, fruitcake. As for Cat's Grace, never said it was his best book, only that I liked it. You do, however, remind me of Dorian Gray.

Though, in all honesty I have pity for you, and when you are offering to suck my big toe for a quarter, maybe I'll buy you that beer after all.

Cheers.

 

[Ghoullove]

I to have 2 girls on the go. One is in to everything (the dark zone and I mean the dark zone)and the other not so much(light zone quite bright in there). However it is not God, Allah, budda, Vishnu, Brahma and Shamrock who has blessed me with this abundance of female love, it is free choice. You will need God, Allah,Budda, Vishnu, Brahma and Shamrock after the dark zone finds out about the light zone.

A monotheistic belief with a little healthy moral western values is all we need. Organized religion is dangerous and leads to perverted conflicts like Northern Ireland, Israel and Palestine and all of Islam up in arms because sodomy is legal in the west.

P.S. The dark zone is coming over soon.