Then maybe I am understanding your intentions wrong, if that's the case then I am sorry. But I just can't follow your thought here in what you're actual intend is. To tell me that it's an issue? Sure. But is it the actual cause? And how much of an impact does it really has? And why are we talking about immigrants and not the people that actually pay those wages. Again, who is actually deciding those wages. The immigrants? The employees? The employer? Did you ever had illegal migrants working for you? If yes, why did you employ them? Why did you not pay a higher wage? And so on. It is one thing to recognize an issue but the conclusion you draw from it is a whole different story. Because even if I would now make the argument to completely close the border so that no immigrant - legal or illegal - could cross it anymore I do not think that we would really see such a huge change in wages to be honest as there are a lot of factors playing a role here. You just told me that you saw people doing jobs that have been done by white Aussies before - If I get that right. But that doesn't explain why the wages are so 'low'. Why do you think those immigrants accept the lower wages in the first place? There could be many reasons here or a combination of reasons. For example that the Aussies which did those jobs before simply moved up in the food chain, or they saved money and moved away, or some simply decided not to pursue those jobs anymore saying fuck it, I am getting more money being unemployed! Or the area you're living in has become a hot spot for demographic changes where more migrants are moving in because the rents are cheaper compared to other neighbourhoods and so on. There really is a ton of information missing here. For example do we actually know about how many people we're talking about? Is there actually a correlation between low wages and the number of immigrants you spot in your area? Or could it just be coincidence? I am not saying that your wrong. I just don't think it's that simple and we're really missing a lot of information here. Not to mention that we're again stuck in this "Migrants push wages down' debate where we talk about effects and not necessarily reasons. Again who is employing them and why are they agreeing to this low wage in the first place? You are an employer from what I know. Are you employing many immigrants? And are you paying them a low wage? If yes, then why aren't you employing native citizens paying them a higher wage? And if you do pay higher wages, why are other employers not doing the same? And so on. Also consider this for a moment, let us say you're an immigrant and you managed to move to a country like Australia to either support your family or simply to improve your situation. You can barely speak the language and you have no degree or the degree you have is not recognized - that is quite often the case by the way with migrants at least from the experiences I have made when I used to work in a fast food restaurant for some time. So naturally if you're an immigrant this limits your choices in what type of jobs you can do, which are often the ones that require either very little training or little to no knowledge. Higher education is very often expensive even for native citizens and if you have a language barrier this makes mit a lot more difficult as well. So maybe the reason why you see those people in low wage jobs is simply because that's the only available job for them and now you have to think about that immigrants are often not the type of worker that actually refuses the work, knows about unions and is in general easier to exploit. And many native Australians might actually simply end up more in the 'middle class' jobs because of the head start they have simply by growing up in that area and actually speaking the language and having a degree. What I am saying is, there are many explanations possible here and you do not even give them a chance. We're only stuck in one narrative. Immigrants and wages. But the truth is that employers don't care 'who' they employ as long as the job is done and they make a profit. Or to ask you another question. Do you think the employers would suddenly start to pay a higher wage simply because the person they employ is a native Australian?