shihonage
Made in USSR
Is it a common thread for Fallout 3 fans to be barely literate? I just can't imagine someone who read a few fiction books in their life and then managed to enjoy Fallout 3.
Why Fallout 3 is not as bad as most people on this forum think
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Oppen
FIXT n°1 fan
Well, for someone asking others to "ignore the bad things" and "enjoy", I find amusing the ability to hate Fallout 2 as well:
http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64384&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
http://www.nma-fallout.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64384&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
Before shooting someone in the back, I suggest you go ahead and actually read the thread. I tried to get answers. I clearly said I wasn't complaining. I listed what I saw and then used mods to improve my experience. Doubling the about of money the traders have was a solution to the loot problem. Making the game a lot harder by making enemies truely powerful (deathclaws etc..) and making loot hoarding a bit difficult. While in the modded game I had to think twise before engaging an enclave petrol unit. Simple as that. Sheesh!Oppen said:
Good thing all this fallout 3 hate seems to be centred around this place. Everyone I've ever known who's played fallout 3 has loved it, including users on various forums I've been to.
I must admit I was pretty shocked too see all the hate when I first visited this place back in 09, and i'm quite proud of myself that I stuck to my own opinion of the game which I love so dearly without all the bitching and moaning on here skewing my opinion of it.
Thankfully all the bitching aimed at this game seems to be from the vocal minority, 90% of which seem to infest this place.
I must admit I was pretty shocked too see all the hate when I first visited this place back in 09, and i'm quite proud of myself that I stuck to my own opinion of the game which I love so dearly without all the bitching and moaning on here skewing my opinion of it.
Thankfully all the bitching aimed at this game seems to be from the vocal minority, 90% of which seem to infest this place.
too bad fanboys of fo3 infests all around.
not only because it ruined Fallout, game itself is disaster.
and it's fanboys are worse. they don't accept the real bad point of fo3 and always saying "fo3 is good game don't blah blah." not only here hates fo3. if someone really like RPG then he or she will hate fo3. I'm sure about this.
I heard a professor tried Fo1,2 to his student after enyoting Fo1,2 they started to blaming fo3. that means not only fan of "old" Fallout fans blame fo3 but also people who played "oldschool"(not old actually) will blame fo3.
not only because it ruined Fallout, game itself is disaster.
and it's fanboys are worse. they don't accept the real bad point of fo3 and always saying "fo3 is good game don't blah blah." not only here hates fo3. if someone really like RPG then he or she will hate fo3. I'm sure about this.
I heard a professor tried Fo1,2 to his student after enyoting Fo1,2 they started to blaming fo3. that means not only fan of "old" Fallout fans blame fo3 but also people who played "oldschool"(not old actually) will blame fo3.
JudgeGhis said:
For a while there, especially when 3 came out, many members of this community were appalled at what a traditional RPG had to become to sell units and cater to a larger audience. Thankfully 5 years have passed, and gaming has not gone full retard. You never go full retard.
I would bet you aren't a classic cRPG gamer.
For all the Fallout 3 haters, it's easy to prove a point because the entire site is full of them. If one person comes out and tries to defend his idea that Fallout 3 is actually good, all the haters join forces and go all doomsday. Not trying to reason and see in the other person's point of view. All the haters seem to do is hate the game for their own dumb reasons. Fallout 3 may have been a bad, failed (call it whatever you may) but don't forget that it paved the way for Fallout:New Vegas. I wouldn't think Obsidian would've done it worse but with the limited time they had, if there wasn't a Fallout 3 then New Vegas would've been a cut down, chopped up utter piece of shite. Hating.. Seriously makes me puke when I see all the people here.
Why can't you accept Criticism?
for me, every game I like can be criticised.
there are no perfact game. every game has it's own fault and every game can be criticised for that. no reason to prohibit criticism.
if you are a Real Fan of fo3, then you should accept that Criticism.
but if you are just a idiotic fanboy then keep doing like this.
for me, every game I like can be criticised.
there are no perfact game. every game has it's own fault and every game can be criticised for that. no reason to prohibit criticism.
if you are a Real Fan of fo3, then you should accept that Criticism.
but if you are just a idiotic fanboy then keep doing like this.
shihonage
Made in USSR
Explaining to Fallout 3 fans in great detail the inferiority of the game is the equivalent of casting pearls before swine.
Waste of time.
Waste of time.
I really started to doubt that fo3 is program product idiots.....
I haven't seen any people who said "I like fo3" and accepts it's flaw. all fanboys says same thing with same logic. "we are major, you are minor so you are wrong."
"do you really feel good to criticise game which beloved by many people?" .... it's qute disgusting.
I haven't seen any people who said "I like fo3" and accepts it's flaw. all fanboys says same thing with same logic. "we are major, you are minor so you are wrong."
"do you really feel good to criticise game which beloved by many people?" .... it's qute disgusting.
What I don't understand is why people think it necessary to come here and complain that we don't like their "holy grail" FPS/RPG hiking sim.
It's like those atheists who walk around all day telling people how atheist they are and patting themselves on the back for being so atheist. Nutters.
It's like those atheists who walk around all day telling people how atheist they are and patting themselves on the back for being so atheist. Nutters.
Oppen
FIXT n°1 fan
Dienan said:
Most people here don't say Fallout 3 shouldn't have existed, so your point is fallacious. Most people here point out Fallout 3 has several flaws. Some of us actually enjoy the game despite those flaws, but enjoying and not being able to see how things are messed up on some fronts are different things. Also, if the main merit of the game is paving the way, you are supporting the idea that it is a bad game, who happened to be followed up by a good game.
Also, making a valid point doesn't depend on having a lot of supporters. Either your point is valid or it is not. Then, there are subjective things, but those are personal and I don't think anyone would argue them (as in "I like Fallout", the only valid answer you could get is "great for you" or "I dislike that fact", but in no way could that be refuted, or in your criteria for a game to be good or bad). The main problem I have with your posts is that you try to "teach" us how to judge games (like when you said "just ignore what's wrong"; it's great that you do if you feel like it, but that doesn't mean we should, nor does it mean it's better or worse than we think it is; for a start, good or bad depends on the watcher's eye). We are free to like or dislike by our own criteria, and getting mad because we don't share yours sounds a little childish.
woo1108 said:
I've seen a few, in this same forums.
woo1108 said:
Actually, hard atheism is the belief there is no god. And, even though it's the faith with the least assumptions and dogmatic laws, it's still a kind of faith. Real pragmatic, IMO, would be what I heard is called soft agnostic, which is a kind of "I don't know, there is no actual way to know (because of Gödel IIRC, even science can not be completely confirmed to be truth), so I don't care if there is anything superior, I'll go the path of the least assumptions, because that's the least likely to be wrong path".
Wow, this place is completely and utterly stuck in the passed. Look at you all, wearing your rose tinted nostalgia glasses, your beloved ancient fallout ain't coming back, DEAL WITH IT.
This place is a great example of a stagnant outdated discussion board that cant move on from the 20th century, it's cold, bitter, where opinion is apparently fact. The name of this place is sorta ironic, seen as though the whining bitches on here are the mutants themselves. Absolutely deluded the lot of ya.
The people who are a part of this 'Fallout Community' have been refined and distilled over time into glittering gems of hatred and insanity.
This place is a great example of a stagnant outdated discussion board that cant move on from the 20th century, it's cold, bitter, where opinion is apparently fact. The name of this place is sorta ironic, seen as though the whining bitches on here are the mutants themselves. Absolutely deluded the lot of ya.
The people who are a part of this 'Fallout Community' have been refined and distilled over time into glittering gems of hatred and insanity.
Akratus
Bleep bloop.
Stage 1. Learn of NMA Community
Stage 2. Learn that NMA doesn't like Fallout 3
Stage 3. Go to their forums to complain about it
Stage 4. Receive strong opinions
Stage 5. Take your toys home and swear to never ever return!
If you took the time at all to study the arguments we make here, the long and detailed threads we've already had on this subject with much more merit than this millionth one, you might have known that our argument is quite different from what you propose.
We are not stuck in the past for one. There's many a thread here on more modern games, smaller and bigger releases. Some triple A titles are actually quite like by some here and get quite the joyous praise.
It is a complete fallacy to boil our argument down to the fact that we do not like the 'new' direction just because it's not like the old. It's wrong in multiple ways.
We liked New Vegas. That one is newer than Fallout 3.
Why can't you just accept that your precious Fallout 3 hasn't come back? That's something I could say too, and I don't think you see that as a good argument.
All we want is quality. We want quests with actual structure. Not just going from point a to point b both mechanically and literally.
We want some attention to be put into the writing and the care to keep the Fallout lore and universe alive and as good and effective as it once was.
Obsdian could do that. Bethesda could not. Beth cared more about giant robots, vampires, laser weapons, crazy power armor designs, unbalanced loot spread everywhere, nuclear catapults, exploding nuclear cars, green filters, filler dungeons everywhere, filler enemies everywhere, filler quests everywhere, bad railroaded designs and writing and celebrity voice actors.
THAT is what we dislike. Not because it's new or old or different or liked by you but because IT IS SHIT.
We just want good rpg's. If you like it all that's good for you but we're not going to delude ourselves into thinking the state of RPG's nowadays is any good when it isn't if you analyze it a bit.
Hmm, so we are the deluded angry ones, are we?
Stage 2. Learn that NMA doesn't like Fallout 3
Stage 3. Go to their forums to complain about it
Stage 4. Receive strong opinions
Stage 5. Take your toys home and swear to never ever return!
JudgeGhis said:
If you took the time at all to study the arguments we make here, the long and detailed threads we've already had on this subject with much more merit than this millionth one, you might have known that our argument is quite different from what you propose.
We are not stuck in the past for one. There's many a thread here on more modern games, smaller and bigger releases. Some triple A titles are actually quite like by some here and get quite the joyous praise.
It is a complete fallacy to boil our argument down to the fact that we do not like the 'new' direction just because it's not like the old. It's wrong in multiple ways.
We liked New Vegas. That one is newer than Fallout 3.
Why can't you just accept that your precious Fallout 3 hasn't come back? That's something I could say too, and I don't think you see that as a good argument.
All we want is quality. We want quests with actual structure. Not just going from point a to point b both mechanically and literally.
We want some attention to be put into the writing and the care to keep the Fallout lore and universe alive and as good and effective as it once was.
Obsdian could do that. Bethesda could not. Beth cared more about giant robots, vampires, laser weapons, crazy power armor designs, unbalanced loot spread everywhere, nuclear catapults, exploding nuclear cars, green filters, filler dungeons everywhere, filler enemies everywhere, filler quests everywhere, bad railroaded designs and writing and celebrity voice actors.
THAT is what we dislike. Not because it's new or old or different or liked by you but because IT IS SHIT.
We just want good rpg's. If you like it all that's good for you but we're not going to delude ourselves into thinking the state of RPG's nowadays is any good when it isn't if you analyze it a bit.
Hmm, so we are the deluded angry ones, are we?
nostalgia ? for me oblivion is first rpg I beat without any cheating and fo3 was second. so if I got nostalgia, oblivion or fo3 should be beautificated by nostalgia.JudgeGhis said:
but no, these two are actually sucks.
after these two, I played Morrowind, Daggerfall, FO1,2 and NV.
and I realize fo3 and oblivion is degenerated from it's ancestor
DO you really think fo3 isn't outdated and other Fallouts are outdated?JudgeGhis said:
almost every aspect of fo3 is already outdated since NV is created.
the graphic? it's already outdated. VATS? it's really sucks at fo3 since it's just cheating. shooting? I rather play STALKER:SOC for that even it was created before fo3, it's far better. quests? linear choring is already outdated since at the age of Ultima4 .
beth did nothing new. what all they did is already outdated.
and for outdated why you still worships fo3? it's graphic is already outdated.
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