R.Graves
Confirmed Retard
It'd have been nice to see obsidians full vision for Vegas on the screen. Wouldn't it? He'll sonetimes I feel like we only got half of the game we were meant to.
Why Robert Edwin House is the best hope for the wasteland and humanity
- Thread starter Throatpunch
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It'd have been nice to see obsidians full vision for Vegas on the screen. Wouldn't it? He'll sonetimes I feel like we only got half of the game we were meant to.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Agreed, sadly the development time was rushed.
R.Graves
Confirmed Retard
Really why? Are you telling me that only fallout g Ames with rushed dev times turn out good?
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Bethesda gave them only 18 months when they took 3 years with Fallout 4. Apparently so.
R.Graves
Confirmed Retard
Why'd they give them so little time? That borders on sadism. The whole dev process must've been like crunch time.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
R.Graves
Confirmed Retard
But mods are non canon. Aren't they? Restored cut content just doesn't feel right to me. Like it should be there but shouldnt at the same time.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
R.Graves
Confirmed Retard
I'm saying it shouldnt have to be fanon. I want and read up on thedevelopment of nv and beth denied obsidian their bonus for one point. Why? There is not enough hate in my body for bethesda.
Black Angel
Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus
So what exactly happened to Goodsprings, then, if they not thrive while under Mr. House's watch via Victor? Sitting with their thumb up their asses?
I know, I know. But mods won't do anything to the ending slides *sighs*
Doc, you are still out of excuse. I gave you a direct order to report to supplies and get your issue. Now, get out of my face and don't come back until you look like a doctor!
It will only fail if Kimball and Oliver really insisted their imperialistic way. Hence, the only way to solve it would help the NCR 'win', and then kick their ass out of the Mojave so the NCR would get rid of themselves the likes of Kimball and Oliver.
Also @R.Graves cut content should really be considered in Fallout: New Vegas case. Heck, Josh Sawyer even released his own mod so that we can play the game the 'way we were supposed to be'. Mods are fine in this case, since the game were already so great in vanilla. Mods didn't 'fix' it in this case, but restore stuff that supposed to be there, unlike Bethesda's games where everything intentionally cut because... well, I won't repeat the reasons why. Although, since I'm practically a newcomer to the Fallout franchise, I'm not sure how the community deal with the canonicity when it comes to Fallout Fixt and Fallout 2 Restoration Project.
Izak
I Shot The ALBATROSS
The Fallout RP projects actually make up a fairly large part of the canon, for example, in the vanilla Fallout the Followers of the Apocalypse would die no matter what you did, with the Fixit patch they can be saved, NV made the Fixit patch canon.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Yes.
Some do, the Legion directly taking over Primm does.
Fine... fine...
Agreed, the NCR can survive by making a deal with House. It's why he won't finish them, unless they suffer political turmoil.
Throatpunch
Banned
The hard and soft power House would have if he won would be immense, he will be able to use his soft power and clever diplomacy to influence the NCR and bend trade deals to his and the Free Economic Zone of New Vegas' benefit, but at any moment use his Hard Power.
He can utilise vast robotic army to destroy any raider gang or hostile army he wants, or simply threaten people with vaporisation if they don't submit to him
He can utilise vast robotic army to destroy any raider gang or hostile army he wants, or simply threaten people with vaporisation if they don't submit to him
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Atomic Postman
Vault Archives Overseer
The thing about House, is that at his core he's a control freak. He wants his little snowglobe, a shiny little toy encased in a glass dome for him to shake around and place on his shelf. That's what Vegas is to him. His little snowglobe, a bubble of pre-war glory filled with shiny lights and sounds. At it's core,anyway. He obviously has some other personal attachments and rational motivations, but in terms of his character that's what really matters. Mr. House could not give a Brahmin's tit about anything else.
That's not necessarily a bad thing,however. That obsession with Vegas means that he'll take damn good care of it. Under House, New Vegas willl prosper and become a shining beacon within the American wasteland. Moreso than it already is. Everything around Vegas don't matter to him, they can live freely as they like. As I said, that's not necessarily a bad thing and personally I think it's the best choice, but all that bull about spaceships is just fluff to encapsulate the Courier in the same feverish obsession and wonder at Vegas that he has.
In the end, House is a good choice, but he's not a saint. He's not an altruistic caring leader. He's a very focused man who knows what he wants, and he'll damn well find a way to get what he wants, no matter what.
That's not necessarily a bad thing,however. That obsession with Vegas means that he'll take damn good care of it. Under House, New Vegas willl prosper and become a shining beacon within the American wasteland. Moreso than it already is. Everything around Vegas don't matter to him, they can live freely as they like. As I said, that's not necessarily a bad thing and personally I think it's the best choice, but all that bull about spaceships is just fluff to encapsulate the Courier in the same feverish obsession and wonder at Vegas that he has.
In the end, House is a good choice, but he's not a saint. He's not an altruistic caring leader. He's a very focused man who knows what he wants, and he'll damn well find a way to get what he wants, no matter what.
Black Angel
Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus
If he's really a control freak, then he would already beat the Three Families into submission. But, that's not the case. Remember, a business relationship with Mr. House is basically that of an employer-employee type. Mr. House is a man who lived by contract; he would abide by every single word written in the contract, and he expect the others to do the same. If he's really a control freak, then Benny shouldn't have been able to do what he did.
If by control freak, you meant that he wanted everything to be under control; e.g he wanted everything to go according to the plan, then yes, he's a control freak, if not perfectionist. Still, when he planned you to do something about the Boomers (and the BoS through a cut-content), you can actually improvise, without having to absolutely follow his plan. And New Vegas? I can't understand all the arguments of him wanting to 'preserve Vegas like a snowglobe', when he personally said that he sees New Vegas as 'blast furnace in which can be forged the steel of a new rail line, running straight to a new horizon.'.
Also, regarding him not caring for the rest of Outer Vegas (and the Mojave), we have discussed it here few pages ago. I won't repeat myself, so please read the rest of the thread. Don't just go around parroting an opinion.
Yes, he's not a saint, nor an altruistic caring leader, hence why me and some others here argue that when you support Mr. House, the best ending you can get is when you're a Good Karma Courier, and done everything as specific as possible (like assign anyone else but the NCR to bring law to Primm, and prevent the Kings from reconciling with the NCR). Also, even though he's not altruistic, he did at least shown a degree of care, for his employee; e.g people who agreed to work for him. Otherwise, he wouldn't even bother to reform the three tribes and let them drown in caps.
Atomic Postman
Vault Archives Overseer
I think you're taking the character of House a bit too literally and at face value. I was speaking from a writer/thematic perspective. The snowglobes aren't just there for the lulz.
Black Angel
Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus
Well, Mr. House literally is a genius and not just all-talk, otherwise he won't be a millionaire 30 times over at age 30 in pre-War. And why are we talking about snowglobes, again? What, you thought he's going to literally preserve New Vegas like a snowglobe just because he's collecting the snowglobes we discovered throughout the Mojave? He admitted he adored those snowglobes, but New Vegas? He already said how he saw New Vegas. Basically, a money-maker that allows him to collect resources (e.g money, which in turn can be spend for other kind of important resources) necessary to achieve his goals.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
The problem with Mr House is that he's intensely vulnerable to economic warfare. All the NCR has to do is cut off immigration and metal resources and... there goes Vegas.
Black Angel
Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus
And then Mr. House just cut off all those power from the Dam. Sure, the NCR had managed to goes by without electricity, but I'm not sure how their own citizens would feel about the lack of electricity, since the taste of such 'luxury' might be too much to let go.
Also, I'm not sure if any of the NCR's politicians would want to do that? Only Oliver and Kimball get their ass actually kicked because of their imperialistic way and incompetence. The rest of the political structure of the NCR, we don't know. And with Hanlon becoming the Senator of Redding, there was no implication whatsoever that he would want to cut off their connection with Mr. House.