Will the Democratic filibuster be disabled?

[Murdoch]

Quite a few of the convoys are guarded properly Rosh, and what returning troops have told me is that the main ones that are unguarded are when the officer in charge is a pompus ass who spends the budget on something else. (like that guard convoy that refused orders)


btw Rosh, when did you serve ? (its not pertinet to the issue, just curious.)

-Begins petition to remove Psychosniper's Orderite status-

 

[Roshambo]

Quite a few of the convoys are guarded properly Rosh, and what returning troops have told me is that the main ones that are unguarded are when the officer in charge is a pompus ass who spends the budget on something else. (like that guard convoy that refused orders)

Listen to what you are saying and then think about the role of the military. Sorry, I should clarify that I'm not talking about Tone's military, I'm referring to the military that US citizens once were more proud of as a whole.

btw Rosh, when did you serve ? (its not pertinet to the issue, just curious.)

Well, long ago enough to have had Tone's experience in the military alone pale to my experiences with the VA. And, if people wondered where I went for a bit last year, you have some idea.

 

[4too]

VA As Example

VA As Example

My question about the level of benefits for the military was focused at the Veterans Administration.

My experience of the VA is second hand, antidotal, and depending on the the comments of individual veterans over the decades.
Co workers with pain management issues may not be free of what bureaucratic apologists call 'caustic cynicism'. My dad has a neutral opinion since as a retired 'black shoe' with the supplemental coverage after a second related career, he has more options.

So in the hierarchy of 'credentials', I'm in the "Peanut Gallery" with any other "defendant", a.k.a. "brat".

Now, how does this VA talk relate to DJ's Republican Uber Majority?

While the "moral" issues and the judicial, appointments, get all the public attention in 2005, the budget deficit will still be growing. If we get a hint from all the stuff hidden, at least 15 Billion in pork, in the present Omnibus Budget Bill our legislators are as slippery as ever. Outside of entrenched interests in powerful committees (witness the Intelligence reform money squabble), a solid Republican 'Uber' majority may have little incentive to police it's spending.

This possible filibuster snuffing efficiency, coupled with the exclusion of different (opposing) opinions in committees, may get the Congressional "train" to run on time. And the Uber majority will get to strut around like that 'modern' Machiavellian renaissance man, Mussolini.

The tax reforms (more cuts), the Social Security reform (privatization), may have to depend on creative accounting to claim to stay within a deficit deflating goal. Enron style book keeping may inspire some spending being called "investments" to hide the true picture. And remember the Civil Service Pension Fund has been hocked recently to cover the escalation in spending while revenues decline.

We can expect the Department Of Defense to be well funded. I'm not sure the VA will be protected by that umbrella. The VA's funding may be as flat, or single digit increase, as any other social welfare program, AND, may not have the fiscal flexibility to respond to the needs of the ever increasing number of veterans, during this hot- war, on Terror.


Warning: Economic-fiction spin zone.

The worse case scenario may be that the strutting legislature will ignore the reality of the Dollar's present place in the world market. In these days of out sourcing the single most important commodity of the American economy, may have been, a stable Dollar that encouraged foreign investment, and the holding of wealth world wide IN DOLLARS. If a politically secure Uber majority ignores the danger of a falling Dollar, spends too much more then it 'earns' and cooks the books on top of all that, the world wide, 'smart money' changers won't be fooled. A new era of inflation may spiral up and up, as the Dollar buys less and less, and how are we going to afford all the products that are now made outside of the U.S. ? Outside of energy sources, and milk, a domestic commodity market might have a time buffer to soften the inflation. A foriegn item would be subject to the faster cycle of change powered by the speculation in monetary markets.

Only Senators and Oil Lobbyists will be able to shop at that exclusive import store, Walmart.


4too

 

[Roshambo]

The VA's funding may be as flat, or single digit increase, as any other social welfare program, AND, may not have the fiscal flexibility to respond to the needs of the ever increasing number of veterans, during this hot- war, on Terror.

A point I was going to bring up, coincidece enough. Every conflict adds a few more walking wounded as does normal active duty, but this has added a lot more already to the halls of the VA hospitals. Some places are already packed and the vets are treated like cattle, now even more are added.

Then factor in that a lot of "benefits" that might exist now that might end up cut or ignored like the standard enlistee contracts for Nam troops, as they usually are whenever there is a length of peacetime. There's no need to make enlisting look attractive when you might still have a number of people re-enlisting or still left from the last heavy recruitment drive. Cuts are made, and the vets feel that sometimes, often through making the hospitals feel like cattle pens.

 

[«ºTone Caponeº»]

Re: Tradition

You know, it's funny. I watch people deploying from here with the best in equipment. Not sure where these troops are with the poor equipment. I know there were hang ups with armored vehicles, but in looking at the situation I recall, it appears more of a strategic error on local leaders. You don't move someone from a peaceful area into a dangerous area without first upgrading the armor on their vehicles, which is what they did.

Your frightful ignorance on this subject, especially when it was handled poorly, makes me consider you to be even less honorable as an officer. Of course, shiny new equipment when they leave the US becomes crap within a few months of regular military use, which is what anyone in the field, desert or jungle, can tell you. Damn, you even suck at your "job", but as anyone who has been through real military service, I know that any officer that doesn't actually help pilot anything is pretty useless except for barking orders. The real work was done by the enlisted, in other words.

What? All I see here is you dancing around and attacking me personally.

How does saying, "However, when civilians claim to know that they understand the military and have never been a part of it I have a hard time buying what they are saying" bring my integrity into question? I think that probably makes a lot of sense to everyone.

Rosh, you're pathetic. You tell me I suck at my "job" and you probably don't even have a clue about it. I may not fly anything, but the military doesn't run itself. I'm sure you have decades of experience in all branches of the military backing you up on this. You were in the Navy, for how long? I saw you deliberately dodge that question to hark on the VA.

Well, long ago enough to have had Tone's experience in the military alone pale to my experiences with the VA. And, if people wondered where I went for a bit last year, you have some idea.

Actually...

Forget it Rosh, you have no credibility. You're not even making sense. My guess is you got kicked out of basic.

 

[Roshambo]

Re: Tradition

How does saying, "However, when civilians claim to know that they understand the military and have never been a part of it I have a hard time buying what they are saying" bring my integrity into question? I think that probably makes a lot of sense to everyone.

No, kid, you're not going to find me that easily, and if you want to continue this game I can bring it to the attention of people who would be interested in the way you respresent your commission and attitude towards fellow troops. I'm not that petty, and I thought we didn't have to resort to the usual game of groundpounder prosthetic dick measuring.

Your integrity, especially when you would use an excuse post-event as a validation for the loss of troops along with other concerns that involve active-duty/reserve/vets, then try to insist that duty stations bear "right" to speak about the topic, is to the level where I would consider phoning up your CO and have a very interesting talk about your future leadership prospects.

Pride, claiming integrity, and then you need a few posts to finally realize that I'm not just a civvy. On top of that, your public decorum and attitude towards your fellow troops is appalling.

NEVER disrepect the deaths of those people again if you want anyone to even remotely consider you to have integrity, much less have them believe that you are an officer. You reek so damn much of a green Lt., it isn't even amusing.

Rosh, you're pathetic. You tell me I suck at my "job" and you probably don't even have a clue about it. I may not fly anything, but the military doesn't run itself. I'm sure you have decades of experience in all branches of the military backing you up on this. You were in the Navy, for how long? I saw you deliberately dodge that question to hark on the VA.

No, you invented that question on your own and tried to insert it in, nevermind PsychoSniper's question was "when" and not for "how long". I don't care if you ask the question, because my attitude towards the military isn't unhealthy towards those in a conflict zone. YOURS IS. You know, the kind of sentiment that would be shared by those who have gone through experiences where people have died and where it isn't funny or light in the least.

I also pointed out that logistics, of which you claim to be involved with, seems to be out of your grasp in a leadership capability because you used weak validation for the loss of troops. Unless you want me to believe that you just shuffle paperwork, which I'm fully willing to believe.

My initial post does stand, especially when lives are lost in supposed "secured" zones, they travel along predictable schedules (ahem, like planes in Nam), having to fight a bullshit war in the first place first on bullshit "evidence" and then later weak after-the-fact evidence that YOU tried to use to excuse troop deaths, more wounded vets will fill up the VA hospitals, and the benefits will later be cut or ignored as per usual when they don't need to entice people into service.

A post which you have gone out of your way to completely miss any sense of context, reality, and the fact that even if they give you more benefits as active duty, vet benefits will be watered down and the hallways at VA hospitals will become even more crowded.

Forget it Rosh, you have no credibility. You're not even making sense. My guess is you got kicked out of basic.

Don't bother continuing this topic if you're going to be the typical military coward that tries to equate your duty stations as a part of the topic or any relevance to a topic that has nothing to do about your duty stations. This is only done by those who want to quickly look over someone's record and make immediate assumptions, the trademark of a half-ass officer.

You are STILL a coward for your previous weak validation for the loss of troop lives. I've noticed you didn't touch that topic after that point was brought up, COWARD. "Support our troops" indeed, hypocrite. When it comes to practical proof of your own, you're still shit out of luck since you excuse unnecessary risk of troops and start polishing your medals like a cowardly and prideful "little brass", and then try to tell people that they have no business talking about said topic unless they post their duty assignments. When it comes to the topics such as the VA, you post some incredibly moronic bit about you and your wife having different claim resolution lengths, which proves nothing other than you're an idiot who thinks that has some relevance to the discussion and doesn't know a damn thing about the claims process.

I doubt a DDG assignment, a CVN assignment and a WestPac tour have much to do with the topic, as Da Nang would also be as irrelevant, so stow that brand of bullshit unless you want me to stow it for you.

COWARD.

 

[«ºTone Caponeº»]

Re: Tradition

How does saying, "However, when civilians claim to know that they understand the military and have never been a part of it I have a hard time buying what they are saying" bring my integrity into question? I think that probably makes a lot of sense to everyone.

No, kid, you're not going to find me that easily, and if you want to continue this game I can bring it to the attention of people who would be interested in the way you respresent your commission and attitude towards fellow troops. I'm not that petty, and I thought we didn't have to resort to the usual game of groundpounder prosthetic dick measuring.

So now we play the threat game! Go ahead and report me. I'd hate for them to come here and see that I have a lot of pride in the military that I think highly of those I'm currently serving with. Tell me Rosh, where I have shown a negative attitude towards my fellow troops? Oh, I get it, the yellow ribbon that has been at the bottom of my signature for the last several days! That has to be it. Does anyone see where he's drawing these conclusions? I doubt it.

Your integrity, especially when you would use an excuse post-event as a validation for the loss of troops along with other concerns that involve active-duty/reserve/vets, then try to insist that duty stations bear "right" to speak about the topic, is to the level where I would consider phoning up your CO and have a very interesting talk about your future leadership prospects.

Duty stations don't provide a right to speak about a topic, but experience helps validate it. I'm still seeing no experience from you, and you were the one claiming to know how soldiers thought and how we were trained. Here we have the threats again. What do you know about my future leadership prospects? You've never served with me, you don't even know me.

Pride, claiming integrity, and then you need a few posts to finally realize that I'm not just a civvy. On top of that, your public decorum and attitude towards your fellow troops is appalling.

Please quote where my attitude towards my fellow troops is appalling. You are just a civvy Rosh. Excuse me for not knowing you spent some time in the Navy, but I'm seriously doubting you spent quality time in the service. You attitude is the one that's appalling.

The military standby: Don't get caught. Unless someone harbors a political grudge, most people in the service don't give a flying fuck what goes on as long as it follows their political views and attitude towards anyone other than "their side". Bleeding hearts get booted out really quick, but unfortunately officer training seems to stomp a little more common sense out of people than required. Trust me, I know how the soldier's mind works. It was interesting taking psychology and sociology classes while at the same time I had a particular slice of three generations to pick from to use as research material. I now have four, if you consider my current friends and contacts within the military.

NEVER disrepect the deaths of those people again if you want anyone to even remotely consider you to have integrity, much less have them believe that you are an officer. You reek so damn much of a green Lt., it isn't even amusing.

Who's deaths did I disrespect? I mentioned a case where people refused to follow orders and NO ONE DIED.

No, you invented that question on your own and tried to insert it in, nevermind PsychoSniper's question was "when" and not for "how long". I don't care if you ask the question, because my attitude towards the military isn't unhealthy towards those in a conflict zone. YOURS IS. You know, the kind of sentiment that would be shared by those who have gone through experiences where people have died and where it isn't funny or light in the least.

I also pointed out that logistics, of which you claim to be involved with, seems to be out of your grasp in a leadership capability because you used weak validation for the loss of troops. Unless you want me to believe that you just shuffle paperwork, which I'm fully willing to believe.

Yeah, I just shuffle paperwork! Hahaha!

My initial post does stand, especially when lives are lost in supposed "secured" zones, they travel along predictable schedules (ahem, like planes in Nam), having to fight a bullshit war in the first place first on bullshit "evidence" and then later weak after-the-fact evidence that YOU tried to use to excuse troop deaths, more wounded vets will fill up the VA hospitals, and the benefits will later be cut or ignored as per usual when they don't need to entice people into service.

A post which you have gone out of your way to completely miss any sense of context, reality, and the fact that even if they give you more benefits as active duty, vet benefits will be watered down and the hallways at VA hospitals will become even more crowded.

Forget it Rosh, you have no credibility. You're not even making sense. My guess is you got kicked out of basic.

Don't bother continuing this topic if you're going to be the typical military coward that tries to equate your duty stations as a part of the topic or any relevance to a topic that has nothing to do about your duty stations. This is only done by those who want to quickly look over someone's record and make immediate assumptions, the trademark of a half-ass officer.

You are STILL a coward for your previous weak validation for the loss of troop lives. I've noticed you didn't touch that topic after that point was brought up, COWARD. "Support our troops" indeed, hypocrite. When it comes to practical proof of your own, you're still shit out of luck since you excuse unnecessary risk of troops and start polishing your medals like a cowardly and prideful "little brass", and then try to tell people that they have no business talking about said topic unless they post their duty assignments. When it comes to the topics such as the VA, you post some incredibly moronic bit about you and your wife having different claim resolution lengths, which proves nothing other than you're an idiot who thinks that has some relevance to the discussion and doesn't know a damn thing about the claims process.

I doubt a DDG assignment, a CVN assignment and a WestPac tour have much to do with the topic, as Da Nang would also be as irrelevant, so stow that brand of bullshit unless you want me to stow it for you.

COWARD.

Yeah, I'm a coward, whatever you say. I'm waiting for you to connect the dots.

 

[«ºTone Caponeº»]

Quite a few of the convoys are guarded properly Rosh, and what returning troops have told me is that the main ones that are unguarded are when the officer in charge is a pompus ass who spends the budget on something else. (like that guard convoy that refused orders)


btw Rosh, when did you serve ? (its not pertinet to the issue, just curious.)

-Begins petition to remove Psychosniper's Orderite status-

Why? Because you disagree with him? He's right, quite a few of the convoys are now guarded properly. I'm not saying they are invincible, and there are certain things that can be done against them, but they've got their ducks in a row for the most part. Not saying it's perfect, there are still improvements to be made...

Now to wait for Rosh to say that I'm disrespecting the troops over there and misrepresenting my commission in the military because I've somehow said something terrible. Oh, I'm not supporting the troops because I'm not demanding all convoys are outfitted with titanium everything and our troops aren't in something akin to power armor.

 

[The Vault Dweller]

Ok look.

Psychosniper can still be happy just posting on NMA forums whether he be an Orderite or not...lets just drop this before it gets worse...

Keep going Roshambo and Tone Capone. Although this is getting ugly, Im very interested.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller

 

[Roshambo]

Re: Tradition

How does saying, "However, when civilians claim to know that they understand the military and have never been a part of it I have a hard time buying what they are saying" bring my integrity into question? I think that probably makes a lot of sense to everyone.

Because it shows that someone of your questionable ability to grasp the simplest of concepts in this discussion probably should be watching what they say in turn, because you have said far worse things than I have. I might have at best insulted one piece of shit that was wearing an officer's uniform. You have insulted the memory of some and added insult to the injury of others, apparently because it doesn't matter to you or is outside of your ability to observe.

Then you will stuff their mouth and then keep trying to put on airs that you are somehow noble, yet you still don't understand where you come off as a complete dipshit because you fail to read the topic and instead go for more clowing around. I'm tired of it, and what pissed me off was the disrespect and now I'm even less amused by the continued disrespect and the refusal for you to even remotely come

When someone who does care more about their honor and integrity than their pride has someone calling into question their integrity, they will usually ask in what way. I have pointed out the how and why a number of times now.

Yet you keep patching up the holes of your honor and integrity with more pride.

So now we play the threat game! Go ahead and report me. I'd hate for them to come here and see that I have a lot of pride in the military that I think highly of those I'm currently serving with.

More disrespect, and you are now proven to be a liar on top of a coward.

Tell me Rosh, where I have shown a negative attitude towards my fellow troops?

I've told you where, explicitly.

Oh, I get it, the yellow ribbon that has been at the bottom of my signature for the last several days! That has to be it. Does anyone see where he's drawing these conclusions? I doubt it.

No, shithead, it might have something to do with your whole attitude with validating an invasion on...you know, I've pointed out this fact a number of times. I'm still waiting for it to register past the faint dim glow of intelligence in your eyes.

Something I have repeatedly pointed out and you keep skewing around. I have no time to waste on a dishonorable excuse for an officer.

Duty stations don't provide a right to speak about a topic, but experience helps validate it. I'm still seeing no experience from you, and you were the one claiming to know how soldiers thought and how we were trained. Here we have the threats again. What do you know about my future leadership prospects? You've never served with me, you don't even know me.

I know plenty from your casual attitude towards, well, I've been over this topic before.

Please quote where my attitude towards my fellow troops is appalling. You are just a civvy Rosh.

You keep making that assumption even though I point out otherwise. It must be nice to believe your own little reality, Tone, but as people have repeatedly tried to get through your thick skull, I am not a civvy and I have been in the military. Something your feeble learning capacity was obviously overwhelmed by with your pride, as per usual in this topic.

Excuse me for not knowing you spent some time in the Navy, but I'm seriously doubting you spent quality time in the service. You attitude is the one that's appalling.

Funny that I care enough about fellow troops to not validate the loss of their lives with BULLSHIT evidence that is hardly enough to validate a full-scale invasion and coup d'etat. Which, coincidentally enough, I keep pointing out yet you keep going on as if you're too dense to notice. Oh, and I pointed out that I was prior military and served in the navy for quite some time.

So, we have the credentials of some moron that is trying to argue out of their disrespect by red herring arguments. Very, very, weak.

Who's deaths did I disrespect? I mentioned a case where people refused to follow orders and NO ONE DIED.

Maybe if they had bothered to teach you how to read you would have some hope of understanding this topic. Otherwise you come off as a prideful fuckwit that was looking for validation for President Daddy's Little War Criminal and Vice President War Profiteer, nevermind that they put troop welfare at questionable positions given the reasons. Yes, you mentioned a case. That was mostly irrelevant compared to those who hadn't refused orders and those who were running on regular schedules and such. Of course, it could be that I also understand a bit more about strategy than you, so let me point out to you that in logistics "like clockwork or at a predictable time and route = fucked".

If you need an explanation as to what "troop welfare" means, ask your CO. Otherwise, stow the trolling.

Why? Because you disagree with him? He's right, quite a few of the convoys are now guarded properly. I'm not saying they are invincible, and there are certain things that can be done against them, but they've got their ducks in a row for the most part. Not saying it's perfect, there are still improvements to be made...

Now to wait for Rosh to say that I'm disrespecting the troops over there and misrepresenting my commission in the military because I've somehow said something terrible. Oh, I'm not supporting the troops because I'm not demanding all convoys are outfitted with titanium everything and our troops aren't in something akin to power armor.

If you're going to play that game, when I have clearly said otherwise, then you can leave this topic, now. I am at my limit with cowardly jokers that try to spin the dead and wounded for bullshit reasons, especially fellow troops when said moron is supposedly an officer, just because they think it is amusing to.

 

[«ºTone Caponeº»]

I still see you not backing anything up Rosh. You're still not connecting the dots. You tell me you've told me where, but you haven't. All you are doing is attacking.

I'm guessing that my disrespect and negative attitude to the troops comes from me supporting OIF? Is this what I'm supposed to fear you calling my CO about?

"Hey colonel, just thought you should now that Lt 'Capone' has a negative attitude about the troops! He supports OIF and believes that the U.S. military should be over there, so obviously he wants them to die. His validation of OIF obviously means he doesn't care about the troops--even though he volunteered to go over there he must be a hypocrite."

 

[«ºTone Caponeº»]

Keep going Roshambo and Tone Capone. Although this is getting ugly, Im very interested.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller

Tell me, can you explain what Roshambo is saying? Do you honestly understand where he is making his connections? I'm thinking his 'short' stint in the Navy has left him with PTSD. Not sure from what though...

 

[Roshambo]

Again, you still haven't bothered to read what I have written and instead continue to stuff my mouth and try to reinvent what I've said to suit your own needs. Hence, you are STILL a coward.

So, in lieu of a reply to your continued bullshit, I will warn you that you can refrain from posting on this forum for a week. I really don't want to ban you from it, but I will if I have no choice.

EDIT: Okay, since you don't care about double-posting either, you can enjoy the ban.

 

[PsychoSniper]

Im going to bow out of this argument, as its turning nasty.

Rosh, I respect your opinion, even if I disagree (execpt that the enlisted run things).

 

[«ºTone Caponeº»]

So now you're going to ban me because you can't explain yourself clearly!

If you're so sure of yourself, explain yourself clearly. Don't just say, "I've told you in numerous places..." or whatever, show it. I'm hoping for some commentary from others because I think you're just a bit looney.

Heaven forbid a man can have an opinion...

 

[Roshambo]

So now you're going to ban me because you can't explain yourself clearly!

No, I'm banning you because you're obviously far too stupid to understand what I have written. That is the thing about me. I tend to be a bit verbose and skullfuck the topic. Apparently it wasn't monosyllabic enough or in crayon for your to be able to understand clearly enough.

Your lacking education and then the presumption to stuff my mouth afterwards is far from welcome.

If you're so sure of yourself, explain yourself clearly. Don't just say, "I've told you in numerous places..." or whatever, show it.

It really would look silly to link to my own posts.

I'm hoping for some commentary from others because I think you're just a bit looney.

Maybe they are able to understand what I am writing without having to drag their pride into the discussion? Ever think of that? Obviously not.

Heaven forbid a man can have an opinion...

Just like the "opinion" you used to disrespect the deaths of others, I would guess.

You disgust me, deckape.

 

[«ºTone Caponeº»]

So now you're going to ban me because you can't explain yourself clearly!

No, I'm banning you because you're obviously far too stupid to understand what I have written. That is the thing about me. I tend to be a bit verbose and skullfuck the topic. Apparently it wasn't monosyllabic enough or in crayon for your to be able to understand clearly enough.

Your lacking education and then the presumption to stuff my mouth afterwards is far from welcome.

I see, it is obviously my fault because it surely couldn't be your fault!

If you're so sure of yourself, explain yourself clearly. Don't just say, "I've told you in numerous places..." or whatever, show it.

It really would look silly to link to my own posts.

Yeah, people elaborating on what they say is surely silly. No one ever says anything that could be misleading or confusing.

I'm hoping for some commentary from others because I think you're just a bit looney.

Maybe they are able to understand what I am writing without having to drag their pride into the discussion? Ever think of that? Obviously not.

What??? Why do they have to drag their pride into the discussion? Where do you get these ideas? Are you so limited in your thinking that any response to this has to involve their pride? Or do you think everyone else is incapable of commenting without risking their pride. How does, "I don't have a clue what Rosh is saying" or "It's clear what Rosh is saying, look at this..." drag someone's pride into the discussion??? I didn't think of it because I think people here are capable of commenting without their pride getting stepped on ... or is it your pride you're worried about?

Heaven forbid a man can have an opinion...

Just like the "opinion" you used to disrespect the deaths of others, I would guess.

You disgust me, deckape.

The name calling continues. Yeah, I'm so disrespectful for supporting OIF.

 

[Roshambo]

I see, it is obviously my fault because it surely couldn't be your fault!

What the hell? I have pointed out, numerous times, what my views are and precisely why. You then come on with hyperbole, skewing them apart and try to repeatedly stuff my mouth. Frankly, this has been nothing but a trolling spree on your behalf, especially when you must have knwon that posting the bullshit validation for the invasion would raise someone's hackles about questionable presence in said area. It did, not just by myself, it would seem.

Apparently that someone specifically gave a shit about the troops and said so seemed to get under your skin. For what reason, I don't know, but apparently you felt it was worth trying some cheap mouth stuffing tactic.

Yeah, people elaborating on what they say is surely silly. No one ever says anything that could be misleading or confusing.

It is amusing that you claim to want "elaboration" from me when you have done little but stuff my mouth from the start and then drag pride into it so you can win the medal pissing match. Sorry, kid, but the old salt doesn't play the game, so thank you for proving your green officer status. Mature officers tend to only hold such things in curiosity, not as some kind of necessity because they too know that it isn't wholly indicative nor relevant to most topics.

What??? Why do they have to drag their pride into the discussion? Where do you get these ideas?

You've been playing the duty station, military/civvy, and other straw man arguments for some time now. It is rather futile to try and claim they didn't exist.

Are you so limited in your thinking that any response to this has to involve their pride? Or do you think everyone else is incapable of commenting without risking their pride.

Well, since you seem to polishing up your pride at nearly every opportunity and use vapid reasons to mouth stuff others, then I think pride has an important role for a certain person in this discussion. Too bad you were too stupid to understand whom I was talking about even though I pointedly said so a few times.

How does, "I don't have a clue what Rosh is saying" or "It's clear what Rosh is saying, look at this..." drag someone's pride into the discussion??? I didn't think of it because I think people here are capable of commenting without their pride getting stepped on ... or is it your pride you're worried about?

Amusing...I make a very pointed remark and you're too stupid to understand it. Why am I not surprised? Like the rest of my writing, I will not translate it into crayon for your benefit, Lt. Shitbags.

The name calling continues. Yeah, I'm so disrespectful for supporting OIF.

Again, more mouth-stuffing, without even having any clue what I said before. I'm not going to clarify something for your behalf if you're not going to read it in the first place, and then you make a point out that you don't care about any such reply of mine when you constantly mouth-stuff me with crap that isn't even remotely near what I have said before.

Have two weeks now to learn how not to troll and to brush up on the Hooked-On Phonics.

 

[Murdoch]

Why? Because you disagree with him? He's right, quite a few of the convoys are now guarded properly. I'm not saying they are invincible, and there are certain things that can be done against them, but they've got their ducks in a row for the most part. Not saying it's perfect, there are still improvements to be made...

Now to wait for Rosh to say that I'm disrespecting the troops over there and misrepresenting my commission in the military because I've somehow said something terrible. Oh, I'm not supporting the troops because I'm not demanding all convoys are outfitted with titanium everything and our troops aren't in something akin to power armor.

I posted that because PS seems to enjoy sticking his nose where he should know that it doesn't belong. I don't presume to understand this debate well enough to offer a valid opinion.

 

[Strider]

If Tone takes a ban, then I think Rosh should take a ban himself. I saw no more slander and personal attack from Tone than I did from Rosh. Personally I think you both should get off your holier than thou horses, take a deep breath and read the dirt you have both written about each other. What happened to keeping the mudflinging to a minimum? Neither of you obviously was going to be the better man and back down. Could we get a third party mod in here and make a call on this one? This thread makes babies and orcs cry.