Would people be interested in contributing to NMA's Fallout 4 and DLC review?

Big No said:
Just out of curiosity, was it ever stated pre-Fallout 3 what time the bombs fell? The review said it happened in the afternoon but Fallout 3 onwards had it happen in the morning judging by the clocks.
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I don't believe it was ever stated (at least as far as I know) in Fallout 1 and 2. The exact time and who launched first was never important.
 
Prone Squanderer said:
I don't believe it was ever stated (at least as far as I know) in Fallout 1 and 2. The exact time and who launched first was never important.
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I never remembered the time being mentioned either. It's just the review described the pre-war segment happening in the morning opposed to the afternoon being a screw up on the writers part, which it really couldn't be if the time was never stated to begin with. The pre-war segment may have issues (Vertibirds) but I don't think the fact it was morning was one of them.
 
Big No said:
I never remembered the time being mentioned either. It's just the review described the pre-war segment happening in the morning opposed to the afternoon being a screw up on the writers part, which it really couldn't be if the time was never stated to begin with. The pre-war segment may have issues (Vertibirds) but I don't think the fact it was morning was one of them.
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I think one of the first two stated the East Coast fell first...or was it the other way around? Honestly I cannot remember. But I think Fallout 3's clocks and location suggested a morning bombing but because the clocks weren't changed in New Vegas it created confusion.

EDIT: Found this on the wiki (up to you how reliable it is)

Nukapedia said:
According to the Fallout: New Vegas add-on Dead Money, the bombs were launched during the night of the Gala Event, suggesting that the nuclear holocaust happened when people were sleeping on the East Coast and getting home from work on the West Coast. This also supports the ideas that people simply did not heed the air raid sirens or didn't have enough time to get to safety.
  • The opening narration of Old World Blues also explicitly stated the bombs fell during the night.
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The opening narration in question says "On the night of October 23rd, 2077, the scientists received an answer that put all their questions to rest."
 
Prone Squanderer said:
The opening narration in question says "On the night of October 23rd, 2077, the scientists received an answer that put all their questions to rest."
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It could be possible it was night on the west coast and morning in the east, but I'm not too sure how dark it gets over there when it's 9AM in the eastern side. The whole ordeal is pretty confusing to say the least.
 
Prone Squanderer said:
I think one of the first two stated the East Coast fell first...or was it the other way around? Honestly I cannot remember. But I think Fallout 3's clocks and location suggested a morning bombing but because the clocks weren't changed in New Vegas it created confusion.

EDIT: Found this on the wiki (up to you how reliable it is)



The opening narration in question says "On the night of October 23rd, 2077, the scientists received an answer that put all their questions to rest."
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Got it. I'll fix that ASAP. (I'm working 11-7 at Gamestop today, but the proofreading should still be finished by tonight, or very early tomorrow.)

Arnust said:
Shall we put it on the Fallout subreddits? And not answer comments or anything, just plant it there :lmao:

Just to adress that 50% of negative comments end up linked to NMA for some reason, becouse we are such a majority
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That'd be fun. (I make it a point to not use Reddit anymore versus VOAT.)
 
0wing said:
Or we could just post it and leave, without stalling on waiting for poll results.
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If we do that, let's use both sites. More exposure, even this long after the game's release.

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Yet in Fallout 4, during Vergil’s quest, you can find a cure serum for him that, in three days, makes him human again, with barely noticeable side-effects. A handwave if I ever saw one.


-- Vertibirds in Pre-War US.


Short and sweet, these things were not in use during Pre-War times. It wasn’t until the early 23rd century that the Enclave put them into use.


-- Pre-War Serenity.


If there’s any major change Bethesda made to Fallout that exposes how little respect they have for the lore of this series, it’s this. The Pre-War world was in no way serene as Fallout 4 would have you believe from the brief span of time you spend in it. So, time for a history lesson.


In the Fallout timeline, from April 2052 to October 23rd, 2077, the whole of the world was embroiled in what was known as the Resource Wars, conflicts waged over the drying up reserves of fossil fuels. Because the microprocessor was never invented in the Fallout timeline, the things we know today that depend on such technology, including computers, depended on fossil fuels, or in later years nuclear power, to function.


When the Middle East spiked prices on oil in 2052, the European Commonwealth declared war, marking the start of the Resource Wars. The resulting second rise in oil prices caused many smaller nations to go bankrupt, and two nuclear incidents, one in December 2052 from a terrorist attack, and another in early 2054 between several Middle Eastern countries, caused enough concern to get the US to start Project Safehouse. The project that would see the infamous Vaults created.


While the rest of the world was fighting over these resources, the US was experimenting with nuclear power, which took some of the resource strain off the nation. China meanwhile, being more dependent on fossil fuels than the US, invaded Alaska in 2066 as their sources of oil dried up; the US was becoming more successful with nuclear power at this time while holding onto oil reserves.


(According to Fallout: Tactics, this was how high gas prices went before the bombs dropped. http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net..._Prices.png/revision/latest?cb=20090902133931)


For the last 11 years before the Great War, the US’s war against China would cause civil tensions to rise at home and in Canada, which had been pressured into allowing American soldiers to travel north through said nation. When Canada became annexed in 2076, the US responded to the resulting rioting and protests by executing those involved, which for those who remember the intro to the original Fallout was what we saw power-armored troops doing before waving to the camera.


Civil disorder and anti-government sentiment, already fueled through waning resources of food and energy, as well as war weariness from a decade of fighting with China, spiked in the wake of such atrocities and the US went under martial law.


Then came 2077, and October 23rd. While no one knows who fired the first missile, what we do know is long before the Great War happened, there were several drills and false alarms about incoming nukes aimed at all the populace, not just those who were chosen to be housed in Vaults. As such, when the actual event happened on the 23rd, millions died because they were convinced it was another false alarm.


In Fallout 4, we not only see the bombs dropping in the early morning on the East Coast, which contradicts bits of story in two of the New Vegas DLCs, Dead Money and Old World Blues, that the bombs fell during early evening on the West Coast, but Bethesda also skipped a two-fold opportunity to show some kind of role-playing chops in the intro they gave.


While I do not wish to give them ideas, lest they end up being taken like the mods they use from the Nexus and other places, I and likely others saw how the time between the morning character creation and the actual bombs falling could've been used to actually go to places around Boston and take part in certain events, things that flesh out the character you picked and let you see what’s going on with the rest of the world instead of the serene community you start in and never leave until it’s time to run to the Vault.
 
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Ediros said:
So, are we good to go?

I really want to see it posted before steam sale ends.
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DON'T BUY IT! IT'S NOT WORTH LOSING YOUR MONEY AND BRAIN CELLS OVER!

*ahem* What I mean to say is that I really would urge you to borrow it from a friend or some other free alternative possible.
 
Oh shit, sorry for forgetting about this (my thoughts were somewhere else).
I am happy to hear what the progress on this project is AgentBJ09.

Perhaps I should have given you my Email, seeing as I barely check the actual Fallout game forums any more.

Well if it is done, I see no reason to delay any longer. As I already discussed with AgentBJ09, there is not really any need for screenshots any more as everyone already knows what Fallout 4 looks like.
 
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