Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by TheHouseAlwaysWins, Nov 4, 2019.

  1. TheHouseAlwaysWins

    TheHouseAlwaysWins Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    Nov 28, 2015
    So can anybody tell me about the country of yugoslavia? so how was it before it collapsed as a country? So is the country average, good, or bad when it was around before the collapse of the 90's?
  2. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    Rating countries as "average, good or bad" on an non-existing meter is kinda dumb.
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  3. Yeah. I mean we could go by lots of figure but shit is relative.

    Former Yugoslovian republics could in the right circumstances be a great place to live actually.

    Learn the geography and social customs.
  4. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    They could be great, but mostly aren't.
  5. They are also very jealous sometimes.

    Don't shit on anyone's local ties and you should be fine seriously. I wouldn't go to Serbia myself because I am not that type of person. I would fit in better in Bosina, Croatia, or Slovenia.

    ANYWAYS besides being some dumb American obviously we have lots of people on here I'm sure you know that are from former Yugoslavian countries.
  6. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    A lot of people go to places like Croatia and Slovenia on vacation, I see their pics on Instagram etc., looks great. My uncle visited Croatia, he came back and said it was "a clean place". :) Not sure what he was expecting, shit smeared on the walls or something. Bodies in the street from the war.

    In Slovenia you can go see the house Melania lived in as a small child before she became a lesbian porn actor and a mail order bride.
  7. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    Ex-Yugoslavia is generally great for tourists.
  8. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    You guys have a lot of great nature there too. Used to chat with a Slovenian guy who was like a mountain guide for tourists. Seemed he had plenty of business. Mountains, the Mediterranean and plenty of interesting history, hot chicks, what's not to like.

    As Yugoslavia they had their dear leader Tito for a long time. They want him back.

  9. gustarballs1983

    gustarballs1983 Vault Senior Citizen

    Oct 28, 2009
    I can assure You that Slovenians don't miss Tito at all. A decade and half ago Me and My boss did buisness with Slovenians. Discusions often swayed to history and politics and few times Lady whoom we talked to directly with, mentioned that during the '90 balkan conflict, Slovenia was the first one that proclaimed independency and Tito mooved his forces in there, and literally went on a killing spree shooting everything that was mooving in sight. The Slovenians themselves had no army of their own yet, so they forked out $$ and hiered foreign mercenaries to defend them. A great story for Jagged Alliance 3 campain perhaps, however a preety sorrow sight if you asked Me...

    Yugoslavia (a union of southern Slavs) was formed sometime after WWII, and a the end of it's existance was ruled with iron hand by Yosif Tito before it collapsed. Like every union that's not bound by religion, culture, and comon interests it was doomed to colapse. Local tensions were always there. Shit started to fly when Serbians went out on the streets openly started mass executing Bosniacks.

    On a side note:
    Places where gunfire exchange with United Nation's forces took place are generally a bad place to visit, since balkan war was a field test for depleated uranium bullets ( mainly 7,62 Nato and bigger caliber) for the UN forces. If by accident You have a geiger counter with you when you visit such a place and hover it over a wall of old buildings it may happen that geiger counter will find bullets still stuck in the walls, since most of the time the bullets were not taken out but the bullet holes were covered with cement during renovation post war. Although massive rise in Leukemia sickness amongst local population was not a major issue (As initially it is a short term efect of radiation) although the long term effect of radiation of rise in cancer sickness amongst local population did become a major issue. Athough It's not certain whether it was DU waste or fallout from chernobyl few years earlier that poisoned most of europe.

    After balkan war use of DU bullets in caliber bellow 20mm (with the possible exception of.50 BMG) were forbidden by international law, Due to high pollution with radiation waste of the warzone.
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  10. .Pixote.

    .Pixote. Antediluvian as Feck

    Sep 14, 2009
    Fuck who would want to open this cluster fuck...Muslims - Catholics - Eastern Orthodox - put them in a blender and turn on - that's Yugoslavia. The girls are pretty hot though.
  11. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    Yea I know it was sketchy. And the whole UN soldiers thing, didn't protect those civilians at Srebrenica, forever a deep shame for them.

  12. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    But understandable given the situation as if they protected the Civilians it would have been pretty much their death sentence. A few 100 people without any heavy weapons are going to fight of a whole army at their door. Yeah.

    I sometimes wish they would have fought. And I say that as a Serbian. It was a terrible situation. But I can understand any UNO soldier who was sitting there in his barracks and hoping that it would simply pass so they could return home and forge that it ever happend. Many innocent people died horribly in this fucked up war by the hands of Serbians.

    With saying this, Yugoslavia was kinda Average. Yes I still remember it. A little.
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  13. Kadscaner

    Kadscaner NMA’s only mutie

    Feb 4, 2016

  14. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    The Germans fought for freedom.
    The Soviets fought for freedom.
    The French fought for freedom.
    The Americans fought for freedom.
    North Vietnam fought for Freedom.
    South Vietnam fought for Freedom.
    Afghanistan fought for freedom.
    Serbia fought for freedom.
    Slovenia fought for freedom.
    Kosovo fought for freedom.
    Croatia fought for freedom.

    You want real freedom? Kill the one that tells you to to kill someone else for freedom.
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  15. biozeminadae1

    biozeminadae1 First time out of the vault

    Oct 20, 2019
    Yugoslavia was a foolish project that hampered the Serbs more than any other ethnicity there.
  16. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I am a Serb and that's bullshit. Sorry. If anyone profited the most from it, it was Serbia. Before and during the civil war. Most of the fighting happend in Slowenia, Croatia and Bosnia was hit very hard in particular - being later attacked by both Croatia and Serbia. The civil war was bad for everyone but there was not really a lot of combat in Serbia. There was almost no fighting on Serbian soil. Once Yugoslavia stopped to exist the Serbian nation had most of the military equipment and soldiers in their possession. It was also the largest state within Yugoslavia and most of the administrative work was done from Belgrade which gave Serbia quite an advantage over the other nations which had to literally build everything up from scratch when it came to the military and defence infrastructures.

    It is simply a fact. If anyone suffered the least from all of this, it was Serbia.
  17. hexer

    hexer It's PJ! Modder

    Dec 7, 2013
    From personal experience life in Yugoslavia was better than today.
    There was strength in unity, now there's lots of small, poor countries with corrupt politicians.
    I don't think we'll ever recover because too many great people emigrated and those that are corrupt, stupid or too afraid to move are staying behind.
    Not to mention you have a constant flux of less capable people coming in all the time from the south.

    That never happened.
    Croatia recognised Bosnia and Herzegovina in 1992 and armed them.
    If anything happened it was between Croats and Bosniaks from within the country.
    You can thank the Turks for that crap when they broke the country 500 years ago.

    Croatia never declared a war nor attacked Bosnia. My hometown was overrun by Bosniak refugees and we welcomed and helped them.
    Who would run into an enemy territory seeking refuge
  18. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Yes, better for those people that followed the party line. Some people had it better in the GDR as well. If they did what the party wanted. But the rest? Well. Not so much.

    Yugoslavia was not a liberal democracy, even if there was more personal freedom than in I don't know, the Soviet Union or North Korea.
  19. hexer

    hexer It's PJ! Modder

    Dec 7, 2013
    My family wasn't in the party and we were always poor.
    However, I think human relationships were much much better back then.
    I remember we were happy!
  20. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Memory can often fool us. I am not saying things haven't been better for a lot of people. But there is a reason why Yugoslavia ended up in a civil war. And it certainly isn't because "everyone" was happy. Titos rule, as benign as it was, was still a dictatorship and while my political views are far to the left, I am not a socialist. As I said, Yugoslavia was not a liberal democracy and a federal state like west Germany for example. The states within Yugoslavia have been kept together by supressing any kind of national identity. After Titos death in the 80s, there was simply no way to keep up the federal republic of Yugoslavia. The division between the member states became to large, the desire for sovereignty and independence to big. 40 years of dictatorial oppression left their mark on Yugoslavia and some of the member states.
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