Zippy's Thread

[Patton89]

You are calling broken Skill and stat system nitpicking in a FPS- RPG hybrid ? in A game that got RPG of the year awards ? best design nominations ?
You really need to get your head fixed. The game is supposed to be partly RPG. And the RPG mechanics are broken.

And the broken AI ? another nitpick ?
The non-tactical, non-impressive combat ? Nitpick too ?

 

[zippy1]

We are not an entity; we are simply individuals registered at the same site ...

I am afraid you will always find individuals of a different opinion than your own.
In other words NMA will always "have people" trying to spread this and that.

Name another community with a set of opinions and viewpoints even remotely close to the ones on NMA.

Hey, at least you guys are unique!

 

[zippy1]

You are calling broken Skill and stat system nitpicking in a FPS- RPG hybrid ? in A game that got RPG of the year awards ? best design nominations ?
You really need to ge your head fixed.

They're broken at the endgame, and they're not so broken that the game ceases to function. It's like ascending to godhood. It's fun as hell. And yes, it goes against your opinion of RPG design philosophy.

You want your mind REALLY blown? It got a ton of Game of the Year awards as well.

 

[Patton89]

And i knew that. But GOTY doesnt make the game great when compared to other games that cameout before the year.
And you are tasteless.
A game that has bad AI, mediocre FPS combat, even according to its developer, Bad ending, that even the bethesda fans admit, Some atrocious writing, when compared to any other current games and older ones.
Godlike enjoyment doesnt come to my mind.

 

[zippy1]

But Interplay was famous because of its games on PCs, and when they started doing games for consoles they've lost most of their customers.

But FO:BOS would have been a failure no matter the platform. Although one could argue that it wouldn't have been made at all if they hadn't decided to go console, so fair point to me.

Company's failure happened not only because it changed its target audience from PC to consoles, but mostly because of a bad leadership, that forced good designers to quit (Fargo, Boyarsky, Cain, Anderson, etc).

Sure. Even bigger, they greenlit the wrong ideas.

 

[FeelTheRads]

It got a ton of Game of the Year awards as well.

You crack me up.

Now I see why logic appointed you as its voice. Your arguments are flawless and never heard before.

 

[zippy1]

And i knew that.
And you are tasteless.

Moderators moderators! He doesn't have something constructive to say! He has to shut up now!

It's just different taste than you have. One that's in the vast majority of gamers. Just saying hi from over here!

 

[FeelTheRads]

One that's in the vast majority of gamers. Just saying hi from over here!

Wait... remind me.. who were the hiveminds again? NMA and RPGCodex, right?

Yeah, I thought so.

 

[zippy1]

Just curious, because all this argument amounts to is "if you pretend is good, then it's good" which is what most Bethards resort to.

If you enjoy it, then yes, it is good. It's like you're trying to tell me the sky is green here.

Sorry, I won't force myself to like anything, nor will I excuse stupid design with stupid "it's not important" arguments, again constantly used by people of your ilk. Interesting how nothing that we criticized was important. Guess what, magical clothing is important in the game and IS stupid.

You should lighten up a little when you play games. They're meant for entertainment, you know.

 

[zippy1]

Wait... remind me.. who were the hiveminds again? NMA and RPGCodex, right?

Yeah, I thought so.

I've no idea what you're getting at, but I suspect you're attributing some old and useless argument to me as if I made it, which I didn't.

 

[Patton89]

entertainment ? just entertainment ?
i guess that is what they said about cinema.

And some people cant be entertained when a game has idiotic problems. it is rather impossible to shut down ones own brain.

 

[Dreadwolf]

anyone know how well "King's Bounty: The Legend" sold?
Because it is "ISO" / TB and by far the better RPG than Fo3

 

[Daimyo]

Hey, at least you guys are unique!

My personal opinion:

Hang around and you will see that "we" are.

The environment in here may seem harsh at first, but once you get under the surface and take a swim with us you will find NMA has got lots to offer in way of smart and dedicated users eager to share opinions, debates and insight.

That was my experience anyway.

 

[Pope Viper]

Stop the baiting, stay on topic.

 

[Brother None]

Hello everybody,

This is not a Fallout 3 thread. Go somewhere else if you wish to discuss Fallout 3 and how well it did or did not do.

I'll not vat existing posts, but further posts on Fallout 3 will be removed. Stay on topic.

 

[zippy1]

anyone know how well "King's Bounty: The Legend" sold?
Because it is "ISO" / TB and by far the better RPG than Fo3

It never cracked the top 10 in the US - Russian PC games don't often do well here. The Stalker games are the only ones I can think of that had any real success in the last few years.

And the game even got Editor's Choice from Gamespy.

 

[zippy1]

The environment in here may seem harsh at first, but once you get under the surface and take a swim with us you will find NMA has got lots to offer in way of smart and dedicated users eager to share opinions, debates and insight.

Unless I'm wanting to debate the subtle points of how Fallout 3 undoubtedly sucks or exactly what diabolical move the "money hungry mogul" Bethesda will use to ruin Obsidian's next game, I'm not sure I'd agree that the current atmosphere is exactly... healthy.

 

[Public]

Is that the voice of logic that says we should bend down and take whatever it's given to us?

Start enjoying the newest RPGs again. Figure out a way. There's a wonderful world of great games waiting for you out there if you can let go of all that bitterness and anger.

The newest RPGs? Or games that are called RPGs for a reason I will not explain, because I think everyone knows it.

Role Playing Games have one, main target- to Role Playing.
If you can't see differences between "hack 'n slash" (aka Action games like Oblivion and Diablo) games or "shoot to kill" types (Fallout 3 and most other FPS games), then you're totally lost man.

Do you think most people here don't play games which came out lately? That they only play games from 90's or 80's?

Dude...most of the NMA users are probably pure gamers, but those who like quality games not every "fun" with "shiny" graphics ala Wii gamers.

 

[Ulysses]

The environment in here may seem harsh at first, but once you get under the surface and take a swim with us you will find NMA has got lots to offer in way of smart and dedicated users eager to share opinions, debates and insight.

Unless I'm wanting to debate the subtle points of how Fallout 3 undoubtedly sucks or exactly what diabolical move the "money hungry mogul" Bethesda will use to ruin Obsidian's next game, I'm not sure I'd agree that the current atmosphere is exactly... healthy.

In the threads you've participated in..you should probably think a bit more on that. You're not going to get lynched or banned for saying you liked X aspect of Fallout 3 or that it was ok. Although if you believe this place is unhealthy, I can only think of one reason why you keep posting.

 

[Brother None]

Name another community with a set of opinions and viewpoints even remotely close to the ones on NMA.

Remotely close? RPGCodex, RPGWatch, GameBanshee, and numerous other minor communities. I see a lot of talk pass by as I watch the trackers and we're not really all that isolated, there's little unique about shaking one's head at the development of RPGs as a genre now, just like this was common back in the mid-90s, before Fallout swung around.

I never understood why this seems to bother some people so badly, unless they're unsure of the strength of their own opinion. Look at it this way: if you love Fallout 3 and know it's a great game, what do you care if a bunch of guys somewhere don't? We're very strict on not allowing cross-site trolling, so we're not to blame for any idiotic behaviour elsewhere...

I'm a gamer of specific tastes. I love certain RT and FPS-RPGs, though generally they are the ones of a higher level of design than Oblivion (like Gothic) or Fallout 3 (like Deus Ex), but - unlike some people - I do not have the unhealthy fascination with a single genre which excuses the attitude Bethesda has taken towards Fallout 3, ripping out its original core design by some misguided notion that one type of design (FPRT) is "inherently" superior to bird's eye turn-based. I can think of few opinions more extreme than that, though some people here ascribe to the same opinion only in reverse, yet it continues to be us who is pointed to as stricter in the lore. 't is insanity, but it is what it is. I would be loathe to have tastes as limited as Bethesda's myself, though, there's such a richness of genres out there if you do not ascribe to a singular FPRT doctrine.

Was I getting to something, I kinda forgot...oh yeah, man zippy you're putting a lot of effort into posting on a forum that you consider unhealthy and probably un-fixable...If you persist in pushing through, that's fine, since you're being polite about your argumentativeness which is good, but I do not like to see all of the news forum dominated by one poster pushing every debate back into the stone age (as Grizzers pointed out, this is all old-hat for us, you're not bringing in any new points), so expect me to split all your debates and make a mega-zippy thread in the Fallout 3 forum for you to enjoy.