It's been 6-7 years, and I actually feel bad for still preferring this game.

Discussion in 'Fallout: New Vegas Discussion' started by GeorgeCostanzaTheMovie, Apr 11, 2017.

  1. GeorgeCostanzaTheMovie

    GeorgeCostanzaTheMovie First time out of the vault

    Jun 22, 2016
    Ok, I'm really not that guy to just lay my hand flat on the table and spew in other's faces, hating on anything new because if it's old, it's automatically better. I hate that crap, I hated it when people did that with NV and F3 when NV was new.

    But now that Fallout 4 is out, I just can't get into it. At first I really really wanted to, but there was just something so cold and dead about that game. There a couple of small details I can point out about F4 of why I feel that way. One thing is the radio station music. A number of the songs are just cut and past from F3, nothing new, just "Set the World On Fire".. again. And Butcher Pete, and Mighty Mighty Man.. ugh.. All of which I didn't like in F3 too much to begin with TBH. And the combat shotgun and combat rifle. They're both the EXACT SAME models. I mean, really? It's a $100,000,000+ game, and it's too much to give the tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny pool of weapons their own looks? And then there's a couple of bigger things, one being the dialogue trees. I mean, do I even have to bring that up? Why in the hell did they seriously think it was a good idea to copy Mass Effects piss poor wheel dialogue style that no one liked to begin with? And then there's the story, Oh my God the story... There's just something about it I can't stand so much. The first thing I immediate noticed was how lazy, cynical, and thoughtless the general idea was, just F3's plot, but instead of son finding dad, it's dad finding son. Not to mention that (IMO) BS M. Night Shyamalan style plot twist.

    I don't mean to totally rip on this game, there were still a lot of things I think they did right, like the combat gameplay and so on, but the overall "feel" of the game just feels wrong and soulless. In a way I don't feel in even the most cynical modern installations of long running franchise installments like GTA 5 (Which I love anyway). It's hard to really articulate TBH.

    So I find myself reinstalling NV again, and I in a way, feel bad for still preferring it over F4. But when I play NV, I still create enjoyable memories, not just nostalgia from 5 years ago, I create even more nostalgia for myself, if that makes sense. In F4, I just don't feel that. I played almost 80 hours of F4, and nothing but the bad stuff sticks out to me. I have no memorable moments, just nothing. Not to mention, F4 for some reason feels so much harder to mod than NV. NV and F3's modding feels a lot easier to do, while F4's feels more sluggish and annoying for some reason. Anyway, that's the end of my pointless rant, just hope someone can get something from it.
     
  2. Jogre

    Jogre It's all JO'Ger now

    Oct 25, 2015
    Why? There's nothing wrong with preferring an older game to the newer games.
     
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  3. Norzan

    Norzan First time out of the vault

    Apr 7, 2017
    Why would you feel bad? Because you prefer a far superior, much better made game? I honestly think that's a good thing and you shouldn't feel bad at all. It means you have standards, something Bethesda dropped a long time ago.
     
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  4. Prone Squanderer

    Prone Squanderer A bit of a Sillius Soddus.

    Jan 3, 2016
    Saying you prefer an older game does not equal hating any other game.
     
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  5. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    Preferring something over something else is not wrong. For instance, I prefer Dark Souls 1 over 2 after playing through both. I still see value in 2 but I just prefer 1.

    Being pretentious and obnoxious about preferring said something... that answer may vary.
     
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  6. Tiny Tim

    Tiny Tim It Wandered In From the Wastes

    Sep 29, 2015
    This. The idea that if you don't like something that is currently mainstream you "hate" it is probably the most foolish thing and yet it is a very popular argument on the internet.

    - I don't like Justin Bieber
    - Shut up, you hater
    - Haters gonna hate


    Honestly, what is this travesty? Not liking a particular piece of art is suddently considered negativity, like Hitler hating Jews or something.


    And this is more true in games than any other media. The newer has to be the better for some reason. Imagine treating films that way

    - I think The Godfather part II was the best
    - Lol, nostalgia much?
    - Stop hating on Godfather part III

    and there's always this one guy who tries to rationalize this by saying something like
    - You just think you liked part II more, because you overhyped part III


    yeah, that has to be it :violent:
     
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  7. Risewild

    Risewild Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    Don't feel bad about liking something older.
    There are plenty of older games I prefer over more modern ones and there are plenty of modern ones I prefer over older games.
    Gaming tastes are nothing to feel bad about, gaming is a hobby.
    It's just like cinema, music or books, and many times people prefer the older ones over the newer ones in those things too.
     
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  8. naossano

    naossano Vault Fossil

    Oct 19, 2006
    Fo3-Fo4 and FoNV were made by different team. The work made by FoNV might connect more to your wishes. Those games are very different to each other. It is not like the new game is an update improving on everything the previous game did.
     
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  9. Millim

    Millim What the fuck is this for a shit?!

    Oct 13, 2010
    I've played through all 5 main games and still think NV is the best out of all of them (with F1 being a close 2nd).
    Just because something is old, doesn't make it an inferior product next to the latest release. Most long running franchises usually lose steam after a while, some bow down gracefully while others try to hold onto as much as it can until it is finally gone.

    Fallout 4 was by and large, considered a massive step down in quality on here compared to New Vegas. And while it has its fans (I consider half the game to be pretty good) it's still pretty "eh" experience all round.

    Anyway, if people treated other forms of media like games, then we would just be living in a depressing age (like Before Watchmen getting more praise than the original), it really all comes down to your own personal tastes.
     
  10. Lexx

    Lexx Lived Through the Heat Death
    Moderator

    Apr 24, 2005
    New Vegas will never beat Fo1 / 2 for me, but the game resonates extremely well with me. It was able to keep me busy for many years and even now every once in a while I have this urge to start a new playthrough. It's probably in my top 5 games of all time and I am playing games for a shitton of many years now. It just sucks so much that I know nearly every piece of content in this game very well, so there are no surprises anymore. Really wish for a new Obsidian DLC, if we can't get a full new Fallout title from them.
     
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  11. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Honestly I can't get behind the mechanics of New Vegas though, there is to much of Fallout 3 in it, same with the visuals. The story however is really good same with the characters definetly worth of Fallout.
     
  12. Lexx

    Lexx Lived Through the Heat Death
    Moderator

    Apr 24, 2005
    I don't mind the engine, didn't mind it with Fo3 either. The mechanics itself are much better in New Vegas in any case and some stuff like the lockpicking I can easily ignore (and for terminal hacking I made myself a 3-word-hacking mod like as soon as the GECK got released). Gunplay feels better than Fo3 as well, even though there are still bugs and meh stuff... but I'm not that much into the combat side anyway and do everything I can without fighting. So let's say, I've adapted to it and don't really mind it anymore. I can see all the flaws, but they are overshadowed by everything else I like in that game.

    It's just a bit disappointing that many locations do feel barren of additional content. They could have easily added another sidequest or two in almost any location. Oh yeah, especially Hoover Dam felt disappointing, because it's sole purpose is the end battle. It has no use for anything else... Started making a mod for that a long time ago, trying to add more (reasonable) content to the location, but it was never finished. What a shame.
     
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  13. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    Hello,

    First of all, Fallout New Vegas is probably my go-to Fallout title as well whenever I am in the mood for playing a Fallout game, and I have been with the franchise since Fallout 1 and 2 (playing Fallout Tactics and even FOBOS)
    It is not a perfect title by all means and there are many things that could be improved on gameplay wise and design wise, but content wise it is unsurpassed by Fallout 3 and 4 and only matched (perhaps surpassed) by Fallout 1 and 2.

    And it is just plain fun to play without having to try to make up fan excuses why some in game content is like it is, unlike Fallout 3 and 4 were a lot of times you had to look past the radically changes done to existing elements and ignoring the big flaws in new additions.


    Second there is nothing wrong with liking old games like so many of the people here say, it does not automatically make you some kind of snob like a lot of gamers may claim.
    I play a lot of old games as I just can not get into some of the new releases because the gameplay is not really to my liking, the content is not (the story, characters, world and such), or a combination of both, and it is honestly not that I don't want to give new games a try.

    God, I long for a spiritual sequel to Half Life or any sci fi-ish FPS game. Sadly the new Prey won't scratch that itch (and it is not because I have such an obsession for the original Prey or canceled Prey 2), as it does nothing that I find really interesting.
    In many ways it just looks like a Dead Space/Bioshock clone.

    So yeah, when I want to play a game I go for the old ones as I at least know I enjoyed those even if I already know the content.


    That would be the dream, I would love to see a whole new mini campaign told through DLCs like the Courier's tale in the original DLCs for Fallout New Vegas.
    I still really would like to see plot elements from Van Buren such as Limit 115, the Nursery, and B.O.M.B.001 appear in Fallout.


    If you ever feel like restarting that project I am here.


    Edit: grammar errors everywhere :-x
     
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  14. Lexx

    Lexx Lived Through the Heat Death
    Moderator

    Apr 24, 2005
    It will likely take a while for me to get back into FNV modding, though. In any case, I have 2 unfinished projects that need to be taken care of at some point. For now, I'm sticking to my 10 years old Fo2 modding stuff, though... that one needs to be finished as well at some point. :>
     
  15. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    What are you talking about? The combat is worse than New Vegas's in almost every way apart from animation.
     
  16. Arnust

    Arnust Maybe you've seen it, maybe, in a dream...

    Feb 2, 2016
    What everyone said; if the game didn't grab you despite all you tried, it's not even worth your time. Gave it nearly 130 hours and the good things were very small potatoes/underdeveloped.

    On combat; while Fo4's animations (worst Melee/unarmed ever though) and fluidity are pretty neat, it lacks the mechanical depth of a Perk/Skill system, the variety and most of all, FOOKIN AMMO TYPES. While "endless possibilities!" Due to weapon modding is shouted at every corner, it even makes matters worse as it shows how little difference there really is in those.

    + directional rolling in lock-on T-T
    I just can't.
    Must I stress; 1 gets better the more you think about it, 2 gets better the most you play it. IMO.
     
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  17. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    I do appreciate the Adaptability stat. The value of a lengthy invincibility frame has never been more important to me until the Souls games.
     
  18. 0wing

    0wing Все умрут, а я волномут

    Mar 23, 2015
    The difference between New Vegas and other titles, what has to be improved, was improved, by modders while the meat of Vegas, i.e. writing, quests and exploration is already delivered in the base build and DLCs. Despite being built on a shitty engine, New Vegas like a good wine, became better with time. While Fallout 2 getting more lame, sorry.
     
  19. Arnust

    Arnust Maybe you've seen it, maybe, in a dream...

    Feb 2, 2016
    Also its modding scene is pretty damn good. Of course there are babe and sex mods, but they aren't hogging 5/6 the main page like Fallout 4's and Skyrim's nexus pages always are. it really does rival with Skyrim's, IMO. More quest mods, granted. It really is inspiring for the modders, to even make their own DLC-sized mods or even rework Obsidian's.

    Aye. After much thought, I'd dare say that it's the best RPG of the series. I don't think that that has much room for debate.
     
  20. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    The problem with Fallout 4s combat is, the better Bethesda makes the Combat, the futher away is it from Fallouts combat. I see a lot of 'praise' for F4s combat, and I am pretty puzzled by that. Why? Well all that Bethesda did was making it closer to a shooter. Big deal. Wow! We never had shooter combat in gaming before! It's just literaly every first person game out there has some kind of pew-pew stuff going on. You point at something and presh the mouse button till it dies. How inovative. And because F3s combat was so bad, people applaud Bethesda for the improvements. But even if Fallout 4 would be the best first person shooter on the planet ... it would still not be Fallout combat mechanics.
     
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