Unpopular Opinion and Discussion thread

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by R.Graves, Feb 21, 2017.

Is this poll pointless?

  1. Yes

    26.8%
  2. No

    10.7%
  3. INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER

    62.5%
  1. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    I noticed when I was a kid that there was a jump from saucer shaped craft (which the Nazi's worked on) to the triangle shaped craft in a short period of time. It also mirrored our Desert Storm B2 stealth bomber which we just unveiled. Think about the War of the Worlds broadcast. Think about the need for secrecy in a world that is nearly impossible to hide something. Why were UFO's so common during the Cold War? Why are some sightings near military bases so widely publicized and obvious (like Phoenix Lights) if it is supposed to be secret? Your conclusion must either be it is top secret craft disguised as aliens because it is the best cover imaginable or aliens are dumb/evil and the government is covering it up for various nefarious reasons. I followed that line of thinking. It took me all over. It can take you into spiritual realms more often than material - i.e., Aliens are Demons, but the appearance is what always got me. It seemed like they followed the chronology of my favorite comics, then it hit me. I read a couple books on it and stumbled upon a few lines of thinking that made me think about it another way as well but...




    So either the people that saw Grey Aliens in the early days were dreaming/saw spiritual beings/influenced by mass media, or the government staged these things to test craft and used pop culture to propagate this brainwashing which is part of what TV is for in the first place. There is the possibility it is both, but Grey Aliens, if they are real, are not physical beings at the very least because their form was predated from their first sighting. If that makes any sense at all.

    Ok, so you have a super advanced aircraft that you can't fly over the country without people seeing and hearing it. What do you do? Disguise it as something foreign. Who has bases all over the world in UFO hot spots? Why is South America so popular with these things? What country would be flying all over the continent without fear of US intervention?

    I could do a UFO thread easily.
     
  2. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    Thing is, while you can probably bullshit the hoi polloi with a fair degree of success re: ayylmaos, I seriously doubt the Chicoms/Soviets/etc picking through intelligence reports are going to buy that shit for long, and they're the people you need to worry about, not Joe Sixpack from Alabamer.
     
  3. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    Sure. They have their own. These craft are only for recon is what people tend to forget. Plus some of them have literally been fucking blimps. Military recon of course, but blimps nevertheless - weather balloons. I had a stoned dumbass out here a couple years ago that literally thought VENUS WAS A UFO. I knew it was Venus from the chart of course. It was at peak brilliance for the time. He would go "Nah man it is moving....look just then!"
    *nothing except for the small cloud that moved by, likely twisting his perception into thinking the other object is in motion, which I also felt before while stoned looking at the Moon*

    I won't even get into the literal UFO I saw one time as a kid. I don't know what it was.

    https://www.real.video/5821010627001

    Watching this now because I am not afraid of information that might contradict my world view. Even if it is nonsense it makes for good story potential.
     
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  4. TheHouseAlwaysWins

    TheHouseAlwaysWins Still Mildly Glowing

    Nov 28, 2015
    Classical liberals are just sodomites who believe that homosexuality is more important over the preservation of freedom of religion.
     
  5. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    Freedom is more important than religion because there is only one true religion and none of them are it.
     
  6. Beardy Unixer

    Beardy Unixer First time out of the vault

    Apr 24, 2018
    But the crux of the major religions positively encourages homosexuality - do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
     
  7. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018

    A tiny fraction of the world's population found this one weird trick to destroy traditional society as we know it!
     
  8. TheHouseAlwaysWins

    TheHouseAlwaysWins Still Mildly Glowing

    Nov 28, 2015
    ?
     
  9. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    Who would win:

    A tiny fraction of the world's population that has no ability to reliably create more of themselves

    OR

    Thousands of years of inculcation, fervent belief and judiciously-applied ultraviolence
     
  10. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    told this somewhere I think but meh history of a 90's kid the remake

    1991


    I am barely aware of the world as it truly exists. I am 6. It is after Midnight. My Father is asleep in the other room, my Mother on the couch, and me on the recliner, watching TV. Even at 6 I did not sleep. We had watched Sightings (or was it Unsolved Mysteries?) not long before, but the dreaded MASH was on, the lights were off throughout the house...I was too afraid to walk to my room since it was totally dark. At that age the Lucid Dreams were strong. Then a sound.



    The TV went static. My Mother was still asleep with her mouth gaped open, snoring as always. Desert Storm had began. OIL OIL OIL over babies that did not get removed from ventilator due to Saudi backed interests, Conspiracy Theory the pundits said. I didn't know this then of course. All I saw was things exploding on TV, with vague understanding of Biblical lands. Time passed...


    2001


    Years of TV had prepared us for this day. RED DAWN, X-FILES, TALK RADIO, WAR OF THE WORLDS, COLD WAR!
    *cue 1950's announcer*
    At any moment they can attack! Why...they could be behind you right now! It could be someone you love!
    The Red Scare had turned Black. Nefarious nebulous groups populated by crazy men in caves and other shitholes of the world - that is who did it. It was this Osama guy. He did it all. Clearly you can see him on TV here and here and these reporters I trust talked to him.
    We trained that guy to fight the Russians. This is bullshit!
    TIN FOIL! WHAT YOU DON'T LOVE AMERICA!? YOU FUCKING COMMIE! WHY DON'T YOU GO TO EUROPE FAGGOT!
    SLEEP
    I wrote an article in English that stated we would make the ones responsible pay for their unprovoked attack on a civilian population. It brings literal tears to my eyes writing that.

    2006





    I remember 2006 very well. More than the years since then. Maybe because it was a turning point in my life. It shaped my perspective on the world due to how it altered my path; observing how others were immune to things that harmed those I love, why this is the case, and most importantly - why people interpret these events so differently - became vital to me.

    I do recall feeling as if we were near the "end times" with 9/11, the wars, climate change...even then I knew we were the ones responsible for most of it.
    Al Gore drawing red lines going up next to the Earth. These things looked scary on the TV, sitting in the DFAC trying to shovel food in my stomach, while shit exploded outside. These are obvious indicators of DANGER. RED LINES. NO MORE KILIMANJARO.





    The Republicans were out of control. Patriot Act, people said, was the FINAL STRAW. FEMA CAMPS. PRISONPLANET. GAY FROGS. Soldiers debated the notion of "Would you refuse to round up dissidents when the proverbial Satanic shit hits the fan?", with some scoffing at the notion entirely. We were told not to publicly discuss our opinions on the 9/11 conspiracy theory videos we were watching. I distinctly recall sitting in a destroyed Palace, in a country not responsible for the attack, and being told " DON'T TALK ABOUT THIS."

    It did not make me dislike my country. It made me dislike corruption even more. Something was not right on 9/11. Come to think about it...something is not right when it comes to most of our recorded history. What would you say if MGS2 was a way of easily explaining the subversion of Democracy the past couple hundred years? Laugh in my face likely.

    Events lead you to actually fear discussing in detail subjects that might label you something you are not. Is it paranoia when watchlists exist merely based on keywords? You can be taken from your home and tortured in a prison in another country for simply saying certain words or speaking to certain people...or simply because someone said you did something you did not actually do. Buying a certain book might label you worthy of imprisonment in certain situations...

    When do you cease to believe things you are told simply because you are told to do so? THE REPUBLICANS DON'T CARE ABOUT CLIMATE! BUSH AND CHENEY ARE FILLING THEIR FUCKING POCKETS WHILE YOU ARE GETTING SHOT AT! MAN BEAR PIG.

    Needless to say I went hard left after 2006.

    The Republicans don't believe in free speech. They believe in THEIR WAY OR THE HIGHWAY. The wheel turned. Election hijinks. All around. McCain wanted War in Iran for 100 years just like the Bush Cartel. I couldn't allow it. Obama was fighting for the little guy. He was going to shake things up. He was a BRO for fucks sake. Then he won.

    LAME DUCK - QUACKKK. Drones go boom-boom on countries most my countrymen can't pronounce or place on a map, but they don't care. They care about that IMAGE. The PATRIOT PARTY that loved the Iraq War to death because they got rich or were brainwashed, now had a big bad enemy to fight. The Deep State had overthrown the Red State. Enclave was back in power. The totally not retconned into existence BROTHERHOOD OF STEEL was fractured in various sub-groups. TEA PARTY this and that. OCCUPY blah blah nothing came of it.

    Then the bailouts. Then the snark. The SPIN. The media is what gave it all away folks. If you can't see it you are fools. It sounds like loads of pretentiousness compounded by deluded sleep deprived paranoia but the Occult is the hidden key for a reason. It is why we all go off the deep end. It is why none of you that lack the capability to observe the spiritual aspects of nature (DETACHED FROM DOGMA AND RELIGION) can see through the gaps of logic entirely. You read one paragraph of Morals and Dogma and you roll your eyes so hard you have a fucking seizure.

    Even I am a victim to this due to my programming (and low IQ), which I am continuously trying to rewrite and improve. Even with all the data at my disposal I fell for Obama. Then came the worst yet. In my opinion President Trump and the Deep Sta...
     
  11. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    Not a paranoia, the fourteen eyes never sleep and NSA kill people based on metadata:
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gJvABEi3wQ
     
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  12. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    I know. Tell that to the Legion of naysayers though.

     
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  13. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
     
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  14. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Blade Runner 2049 is an objectively superior film to the original. the difference in story quality is so staggering that its not even up for debate.

    edit: wow pariah dog has really become a... pariah. lel

    no but seriously dismissing amoral opinions as just being edgy is a bit childish @Arnust

    also jesus fuck @Cliffy McEdgeface ASoIF are bad books? there's having an unpopular opinion and then there's being contararian to the point of being outright wrong. like when people say that the new star wars movies, which aren't worth your time btw, are somehow worse than the prequels. that said the last 3 seasons of HBO's GoT adaptation have been pretty shit. season 7 was literally unacceptable. its dropped to TWD levels of bad and i am not looking forward to season eight.
     
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  15. Arnust

    Arnust Maybe you've seen it, maybe, in a dream...

    Feb 2, 2016
    Hey, you called them amoral, not me. Even if they are more often than not.

    Weird to see you back, anyway.
     
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  16. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    They're garbage. Complete and total garbage.

    From everything I've heard they ARE worse than the prequels, and that's no mean feat.
     
  17. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    complete garbage? complete? as in nothing of value at all? seriously what is it you take issues with? specific character arcs? the pacing? characters acting out of character? honestly what's one objective storytelling flaw that these books commit? or are they just not to your taste?
    hmmm one destroys the entire backstory to star wars with bland locations, non-characters, and 100,000 plot holes and the others are just nothing movies that aren't worth your time. the only new star wars movie that i actively hated was the last jedi. and while the last jedi may be as bad as the prequels in terms of characters its still got a leg up technically speaking so...
     
  18. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    You seem upset.

    GRRM: "Hey you know that character I've been making you start to like/relate to/have feelings about?"
    Me: "Uh, yes?"
    GRRM: "I killed them off."
    Me: "Um..."
    GRRM: "Also I felt the need to detail just how bad this chick's diarrhea was."

    The prequels were George Lucas' own feverdreams. Shit? Yes, but they had their (brief) moments. The new movies are just proving that we don't need Georgie Boy on board to be inundated with retarded shit. As a bonus, the new movies basically take characters you might have actually developed some kind of attachment to (somehow) and kill them off for REASONS. In their place are characters that are downright fucking insufferable.

    If nothing else? A pretty decent Extended Universe full of ok stories got killed off for the new movies.
     
  19. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    not so much upset as genuinely confused.
    see? this is confusing. on the one hand you acknowledge that the book was well written enough to have you care about the characters and care about their plight. then you paint this as a bad thing because those characters die? it's not as though this is the walking dead where characters die just because kirkman doesn't know what to do with their character arc ( or worse in the show just because the ratings are low). when a character dies in a song of ice and fire you can trace every decision they made that got them killed. they don't die because of a one off bad decision. more often than not its an inherent character flaw or a wrongdoing that gets a character killed.

    when viserys dies its because of his lack of respect for both his sister and the dothraki.
    when eddard dies it was his pride and honor that caused his downfall. same for rob and by extension catleyn. the red wedding may have seemed sudden and unwarranted but ultimately if you look back, what caused it was rob and his sense of honor. because he bedded jeyne westerling he felt obligated to marry her rather than one of frey's daughters which spurned frey and caused him to side with tywin.
    characters don't just die for no reason unless they aren't main characters.

    lol no they don't. there isnt a single moment in the prequels that doesn't feature wooden acting, bad dialogue, nonsensical worldbreaking plotholes, or just being tonally confused. also all the lightsaber battles have no emotional weight to them and go on for way too long.
     
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  20. Cliffy McEdgeface

    Cliffy McEdgeface bitch I will cut you

    Jun 28, 2018
    you're wrong
    The Hound simply dies "offscreen" for no fucking particular reason and gets buried by some monk. It was as if GRRM couldn't figure out what the fuck to do with him so he said "lol fuck it he dies after meeting the one dude who he fucking schools in spite of his fear of fire"


    These are problems endemic to the entire franchise, frankly. (The only genuinely decent SW movie was Empire Strikes Back - the rest are some flavor of guilty pleasure for one or more reasons)