A Single Bethesdaverse?

Ben Soto

Ben Soto

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So, there's a new fan theory running about that Fallout and The Elder Scrolls take place in the same universe. More specifically, the Fallout games take place in the Dawn Era or some other prehistoric period. I've decided to try and run around and find evidence for this, and I've found some good leads. I'm prefacing this by mentioning that I'm including any and all things Bethesda have added to canon, easter eggs, and aliens. Yes, even though I have personally disavowed aliens from canon, they're mentioned in F3 and F4 so they have to be considered for this theory.

  • The Prydwen holds samples of an "experimental plant," whose designation is NRT. As in NirnRooT. It looks like Nirnroot, too, and shares several properties.
  • FEV and radiation do some weird crap throughout the series. From ghouls to mutants to wanamingoes, the combination can make some weird things. After intelligent deathclaws and flying tapeworms, are lizard people and cat people that far off?
  • But, Ben, Nirn has thriving plantlife! Radiation still kills things! Ignoring the idea that radiation goes away after a few hundred years, evolution would weed out anything that couldn't survive radiation. Fallout 4 reveals that animals living near the Glowing Sea are adapting to radiation very well. Give it a few thousand years and radiation might eventually just become "that funny feeling glowy thing."
  • Alright, but what about all the tech? How come we have robots in F4 and bows and arrows in Skyrim? That's easy to explain; there's no manufacturing capacity. That went out the window with the Great War. All tech has a shelf life unless it can be replaced, and in the Elder Scrolls series, it is. There's no need for modern tech when we have the ability to heat your home, preserve your food, build your houses and fly around on thin air with a wave of your hand. Robots? Pff. I'll just raise the dead.
  • Magic? Surely, I jest. Except... no. Fallout 2 had an angry ghost, every game has had psykers, Fallout 3 had the Dunwich Building, and Fallout 4 had *shudder* Cabot House, with it's magic blood elixir thing. Yep. Sad to say, that's a thing.
  • Yeah, but what about the geography? That can be handwaved with plate tectonics. Now, mind you, this usually takes eons, but who knows what effect hundreds if not thousands of nukes going off at once could have on tectonics.
  • Fine. Everything else can be handwaved. But what about the fact that Nirn has two moons? Remember the plot hol-I mean, the aliens? Yep. They have a death ray. A death ray in the hands of an unstable 20-something potential sociopath. Oh dear. In Mothership Zeta, the LW blew a hole in Canada, maybe he turned the ship around and blasted at the moon instead. Give it a bit and, voila, two moons. Or, perhaps, it was the commie ghosts trying to dye the moon pink and paint a big Lenin face on it. We may never know.

As I write this, it seems that this theory is mostly handwavium, but it's gaining traction. What do you think? Does Fallout, or at least, Beth!Fallout take place in the same universe as the Elder Scrolls? I don't think so, but there is evidence.
 
I think easter eggs like this are just meant to be a wink and a nod to fans of the other property, not something to be followed up or expanded upon. You'll see lots of them from time to time (like the statue of the Dragon Age ogre in Mass Effect 2.)

Plus it's not like the asset doesn't already exist, or if you have to make an updated one it's not like it won't be used in the next one of that property.
 
I don't believe in that theory for a second, but I would be in complete awe of Bethesda if they dared something like that.

"Hey, we've already taken a massive dump on those two franchises. Now we decided we would make them have buttsex with each other while you watch. No, we haven't cleaned them up since aforementioned dump was taken, no. Why do you ask?"
 
khain said:
I don't believe in that theory for a second, but I would be in complete awe of Bethesda if they dared something like that.

"Hey, we've already taken a massive dump on those two franchises. Now we decided we would make them have buttsex with each other while you watch. No, we haven't cleaned them up since aforementioned dump was taken, no. Why do you ask?"
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Imagine, Fallout the original and daring universe being... ugh... added with Bethesda's failed franchise.

And this cements it, nowadays people think Beth made Fallout.
 
*wakes up* *waits until end of day to check NMA* *realizes he posted this* *dies inside*

Dear god, I can't believe I posted this. Was I drunk or something last night? No, wait. I'm 15. I can't drink, not even to forget this. Alright, well, cat's out of the bag. Time to try and make sense of this.

*reads evidence* *facepalms*

I have four words for past me: Et'Ada and Lorkhan's Heart. Where in the name of Sheogorath do these two fit into the Fallout verse? I suppose Cabot House tried to imply that aliens created us, so maybe the Aedra and Daedra are aliens, but... argh. Lorkhan's Heart. If it looked like a great, metal artifact of immense power, maybe I could buy it being an alien power source, but it's a very literal heart. It kinda kills the theory, IMHO.
 
I'd find this difficult to go for if it hadn't been done before. Who's played the Might and Magic series?
 
Ben Soto said:
So, there's a new fan theory running about that Fallout and The Elder Scrolls take place in the same universe.
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They are not fan, they are Bethestard. No sane minded Fallout fan would want Fallout and the Elder Scrolls to be part of the same universe even as a really dark humor joke.
 
Bioware did it with ME and DA and seeing as how Bethesda has a hard-on for copying all things Bioware at this point why stop with the dialogue wheel.
 
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There is so much wrong with this.

First off, the Elder Scrolls isn't set in a world anywhere near comparable to ours. Let's start by the basics. Planets in TES aren't so much planets as they are the mortal comprehension of how infinite planes of existence look like. In the center of the Aurbis, as it exists by the time of the games, is Mundus. Mundus is composed by the planet Nirn (which includes Tamriel, Yokuda, Akavir, etc) and is surrounded by the Aedric planes. The Aedra are ancient Et'Ada who gave up most of the power to create Mundus, becoming eternally bound to it as a result. Around it you have Oblivion, which is mostly the empty space (metaphysically speaking) between the infinite planes of the Daedra - which is simply a designation of Et'Ada who did not take part in the creation of Mundus (Aedra = Our Ancestors, Daedra = Not Our Ancestors in the Aldmeri language), the most prominent of which are the 16 Daedric Princes who occasionally interact with Nirn. "Outside" all of that is the Aetherius, which Magnus and the Magna-Ge fled to.

Let's get into how all of this came to be. The universe is divided into many different layers of gradience. The highest gradients are too metaphysical and require too much context to understand so I won't get into them. The relevant part to us right now is that we have two major cosmological forces, Anu and Padomay, which are not living beings but representations of order and chaos, respectively. The interaction between these two principles formed the Aurbis or Gray Maybe. From there came Anuiel, soul of Anu, and Sithis, soul of Padomay. Anuiel in an attempt to understand itself spawned Auriel, the Ada of time, enabling the other potential spirits to solidify their spheres of concept and existence. From Sithis came Lorkhan, and now there are various accounts (which may all be true at the same time) of what exactly happened and why, but fact is that at some point Lorkhan convinces (or tricks) several other Et'Ada, who will come to be known as the Aedra, into helping the creation of Mundus - the mortal plane. Little did they know that would result in the loss of the power. Magnus, the architect, realized this and fled to Aetherius with his followers; the holes in the fabric of reality they used to go through created the sun and the stars. But it was too late for the rest of the Aedra, and the construction of the mortal plane was completed. Now, this royally pissed off Auriel (the major aspect of Aka in this point of time) and the others, who organized a meeting at the Adamantine Tower to judge Lorkhan for his actions. Their armies fought and in the end Auriel's strongest warrior, Trinimac, killed Lorkhan and spread his blood throughout the land, with his Heart being thrown into what would become Red Mountain.

The Ada who died as completely as they could became the Earthbones, forming Nirn's laws of physics through their death. The "comatose" Ada are the Eight Aedra. Each one has a plane, and a huge part of their power is grafted to Nirn as the literal existence of the concepts they represent. Foremost among these is Aka. The weaker spirits became the Ehlnofey. These were the Ada that descended into mortality. The Wandering Ehlnofey followed Lorkhan and became Men. The static ones who followed Auriel became the Elves.

If all of this hasn't convinced you that the Elder Scrolls universe cannot possibly be in any way related to the Fallout universe, there is little more I can say. It's just not how it works, and to even think anything in either series can be considered "evidence" is preposterous.
 
What if Bethesda mixed up DLCs for Fallout 4 and TES VI? That would be a nasty mess, though I'm sure the Bethestards would be okay with it.
 
That would be pretty smart. They could work on one DLC, and make the double of money, by selling two time the same DLC.
 
Walpknut said:
Doesn't the world of TES have 2 moons?
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I think I mentioned that a 20-something emotionally unstable potential psychopath had a spaceship, so...

As to SCRH, 4am me wasn't thinking straight and only accounted for the Fallout side of things. I barely remember writing this post.

And Rice, I'm sad to say, but they are, in fact, fans and as such, are on the same irradiated boat as us, and we're not allowed to throw them overboa... Hmm... On second thought...

BETHESDRONE OVERBOARD!!!
 
I forgive you, child, but only because of your age. It's OK to have weird dreams of youth, but please try to have fewer nightmares, would you?
 
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