Abstinence=Crap

I only provide what people ask for. It's not as if I randomly link to Waita Uziga's work (which I wouldn't do even if someone did ask me, or at least only to the front page so I wouldn't have to see any of his images for myself).

Isn't it a coincidence, look what just went up on Something Awful:
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@ Kotario: That pic is funny like you wouldnt believe.

So let me get this straight;

Abstinence + Welsh + Bradylama + Kotario + tiny hentai reference = tentacle porn?

What happened to the discussion?

Im just joking...

Anyway its stupid. Teaching abstinence is leaving people in the dark about sex. Let them know they need contraceptives...it reminds them of possible pregnancy and ultimately will keep them from having sex. (or at least do it safely)

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
Jebus said:
This whole 'abstinence' deal seems incredible foolish to me.

No real point to this post, aside from the fact that i like seeing prominent Religious figures denounce Abstinence :lol:
 
Kharn said:
Jebus said:
Britain has (or had, at least) it very bad too.
Britain is like a tiny copy of the US, but closer to Europe. At least as assbackwards, though
Yes, Britain is a strongly Christian country with a conservative government.

Oh ... wait.

We're not. This is a sentiment I've seen expressed several times on these boards (by you, by Jebus and by others IIRC) and one that I would refute. Really, look at us, we're as much like Europe as we are like the US.
In my opinion anyway, although I fail to see any real way to prove it either way.


Anyway, that's a little (completely) off-topic.

We have had some problems with teenage birthrates and the like, but to draw the conclusion from that that we are following the US down the same path (despite the completely different methods of sex education) seems a little spurious to me.
 
Big T said:
Kharn said:
Jebus said:
Britain has (or had, at least) it very bad too.
Britain is like a tiny copy of the US, but closer to Europe. At least as assbackwards, though
Yes, Britain is a strongly Christian country with a conservative government.

Oh ... wait.

We're not. This is a sentiment I've seen expressed several times on these boards (by you, by Jebus and by others IIRC) and one that I would refute.


Wait wait - never ever did I say the British government was influenced by christianity. I might've said the British governments is 'conservative', but hey - that's what they are.

Still, you are still the only EU country* that collaborates with the USA, so that makes the UK evile.



* Exept for Dutchania and Poland, but Dutchieville doesn't know any better, and Poland's not really a 'country'.
 
No Russia, thats a bible-thumping nation, and yeah they really promote abstinence, almost as much as the Chinese but they use the Orthodox church to back their cases...
 
John Uskglass said:
Last I checked Tony Blair was one Bible-hitting mutherfucker.


Yet, the moment a European president/prime minister says "May God bless Belgium" (for example), he'd be in a nuthouse faster than you can say "Wooz has a small penis".
 
Man are you sure Wooz is going to be ok with that? last time he was on he sounded pretty messed up.

Why do churches promote abstinence anyways?, it's not going to do the human race any good if we don't reproduce right?
 
Jebus said:
Yet, the moment a European president/prime minister says "May God bless Belgium" (for example), he'd be in a nuthouse faster than you can say "Wooz has a small penis".
That's cause Belgium is the ass end of the universe.
 
Jebus said:
John Uskglass said:
Last I checked Tony Blair was one Bible-hitting mutherfucker.
Yet, the moment a European president/prime minister says "May God bless Belgium" (for example), he'd be in a nuthouse faster than you can say "Wooz has a small penis".
The difference being that Blair may be a "Bible-hitting mutherfucker" in a country where being one is unusual, whereas Bush rules one where it's not.

Yes, whilst I will concede that we are far more conservative than I would like, we are barely so in comparison to the states, which is what we were comparing it to.
 
Waita Uziga? What kind of hentai does he do?
:: googles ::

Oh. Right. The hentai equivalent of snuff porn. Just gorier.
:: shudders ::


Eh. Back to the less disgusting original topic: abstinence.

I suppose abstinence can't be argued against, but it's unrealistic to promote it because sex-crazed teens will get it going nevertheless simply because their hormones tell them to (and that's gonna stay that way for a couple of years, maybe even until they die).

When I went to kindergarden we already began sex ed at that young age. No actual talk about sex, but we got condoms to play with (as balloons, you sickos!).
In elementary school we then got the real sex ed and learned about procreation, although the actual condoms etc weren't much of a topic there (nevertheless everybody already knew how the whole sex thing would work (the plugging theory anyway) and what condoms were for.

In the equivalent of junior high school we then learnt about protection (condoms and "the pill"), puberty (again, this time because it would actually affect us), VDs (in general, only special focus was on AIDS) and drugs (God knows how they got thrown into Sex Ed).

Nevertheless some punks still think it's safe to have unprotected sex with girls "who aren't bitches" if you've been with them for some time (anything between two days and two weeks, I suppose), resulting in teen pregnancy (a girl in my class announced her pregnancy in 9th grade or so) and spread of STDs, although AIDS is still most common with street prostitutes, drug addicts and homosexual men.

Would that be the case if abstinence was promoted in Germany as well? No, I don't think so. It'd probably be worse.
Porn educated me more than sex ed did (regarding anatomy, anyway -- I wouldn't say porn is a good lesson about intercourse or biometry) and figuring out how "the sex thing" works is one of the easier things -- if you'd need books to figure out where your thingy is supposed to go, how do you think the first humans (staying with the biblical picture) figured it out? If you believe in Genesis, don't tell me the snake told him. Unless you're using "snake" as an euphemism for his genitalia.

Abstinence is the only logical way to avoid pregnancy or STDs, yes. However it is rather unlikely that people will voluntarily stay abstinent, especially teenagers.

It's a good idea not to risk pregnancy until you got some kind of fundamental basis -- a steady income, some place to call home and enough wealth to be able to fund at least one more person than you're paying for already -- nevertheless, but that recommendation alone won't solve the issue.
Explain them not only what they are supposed to avoid, but also how they can avoid it without being abstinent.

Bans never stopped people and punishments will only make them avoid being caught.
You don't need to have studied paedagogics to know abstinence programs alone don't help.
 
Britain- religious. Wasn't there a poll that said that 1/4 of the Brits have more faith in the jedi's "the Force" than in other religions?
 
welsh said:
Britain- religious. Wasn't there a poll that said that 1/4 of the Brits have more faith in the jedi's "the Force" than in other religions?
Theists are no longer in the majority in Britan.
 
Relevant to this discussion-

Yale study says abstinence may be dangerous

Abstinance may be more trouble than it's worth.
Study: Abstinence May Lead to Risky Acts

1 hour, 26 minutes ago U.S. National - AP


By MATT APUZZO, Associated Press Writer

NEW HAVEN, Conn. - Teens who pledge to remain virgins until marriage are more likely to take chances with other kinds of sex that increase the risk of sexually transmitted diseases, a study of 12,000 adolescents suggests.



The report by Yale and Columbia University researchers could help explain their earlier findings that teens who pledged abstinence are just as likely to have STDs as their peers.


The latest study, published in the April issue of the Journal of Adolescent Health, found that teens pledging virginity until marriage are more likely to have oral and anal sex than other teens who have not had intercourse. That behavior, however, "puts you at risk," said Hannah Brueckner, assistant professor of sociology at Yale and one of the study's authors.


Among virgins, boys who have pledged abstinence were four times more likely to have had anal sex, according to the study. Overall, pledgers were six times more likely to have oral sex than teens who have remained abstinent but not as part of a pledge.


The pledging group was also less likely to use condoms during their first sexual experience or get tested for STDs, the researchers found.


Data for the study was taken from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health. An in-school questionnaire was given to a nationally representative sample of students in grades 7-12 and followed up with a series of in-home interviews roughly one, two, and six years later. It was funded in part by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (news - web sites).


Leslee Unruh, president of the National Abstinence Clearinghouse in Sioux Falls, S.D., called the study "bogus," disputing that those involved had pledged true "abstinence."


"Kids who pledge abstinence are taught that any word that has 'sex' in it is considered a sexual activity," Unruh said. "Therefore oral sex is sex, and they are staying away."


Millions of teens have signed written pledges or verbally promised to abstain from sex, part of a church-led effort to discourage premarital sex and the spread of disease. President Bush (news - web sites) has boosted funding for abstinence-only education in schools.


Critics say that education needs to be coupled with safe-sex education to be effective.


"If adolescents only had sex in monogamous, married relationships, by definition there would be no STDs," Brueckner said, echoing President Bush's remarks in last year's State of the Union address. "But the majority of adolescents don't live like that. They do have sex."


Last year, the same research team found that 88 percent of teens who pledge abstinence end up having sex before marriage, compared with 99 percent of teens who do not make a pledge.
 
welsh said:
The report by Yale and Columbia University researchers could help explain their earlier findings that teens who pledged abstinence are just as likely to have STDs as their peers.

The latest study, published in the April issue of the Journal of Adolescent Health, found that teens pledging virginity until marriage are more likely to have oral and anal sex than other teens who have not had intercourse.
So, fucking with your mouth or arse makes you immune to STDs. I guess that explains the glut of male homosexuals with STDs (especially AIDS).

See? Proof that Jebus hates morons.

Also:
welsh said:
Britain- religious. Wasn't there a poll that said that 1/4 of the Brits have more faith in the jedi's "the Force" than in other religions?
Not really, that was a joke to show how useless the national census' questions on religion were. It does seem to be true, however, that there are far fewer practicing Christians than was previously assumed.

CCR said:
Theists are no longer in the majority in Britan.
Woo-Hoo! ;)
 
The federal government is expected to spend about $130 million to fund programs advocating abstinence in 2005

That line just amuses me. So much money for people to say "don't have sex"
 
Not a good thing at any point in history for any society, ever. Generally a sign of decline, if anything.

Not really, that was a joke to show how useless the national census' questions on religion were. It does seem to be true, however, that there are far fewer practicing Christians than was previously assumed.
Yeh. Euro-fication is taking place, destroying all remnants of the cultures before it. I'm still glad to say that the number of non-religious people world wide is going down, but these numbers are scary.

Proof that Jebus hates morons.
No one ever denied that Jebus was self hating.

Yet, the moment a European president/prime minister says "May God bless Belgium" (for example), he'd be in a nuthouse faster than you can say "Wooz has a small penis".
Secularists are much more viscious and numerous in Europe. What do I care? Christians are still majority thruought Europe, and you have said yourself that Islam has a mighty bright future in the EU.
 
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