no, you do explain your self well enough, but you assume a compromise with your own words would be acceptable, which it isn't.
Look, is there a chance if the stars align right and somehow Jesus was born again as moviemaker that he could make an Alien vs Predator MOVIE(!) that didn't sucked? I am sure. He could also turn Coke in to Pepsi (guess where that line is from), but its not gona happen. The chance for that is so small its not significant. And the fact that there have been 2 utterly garbage movies proves it. The issue is that the people responsible for the Alien movies would not touch such a project really, artistically you can not gain here much without making it a very simple action flick. That might be "ok" for Predator, in the end it was not a very complex or deep movie. But that simply DOESNT WORK as far as Xenomorphs go. Making them target practise for the Predators kills BOTH movies.
A Predator needs human opponents, something he can overpower easily. Thats why Predator 1 worked. Arnold gets his butted kicked and kills the Predator but barely survives. This doesn't work that well with Xenomorphs.
Xenomorphs are not just target practise. Scenes like the sentry guns in Aliens might give you that impression. But the creatures in Aliens are the same kind of Alien we have seen in the movie Alien by Scott. They are not just some kind of animal as far as intelligence goes. And even in Aliens the marines realize that quite fast. A single Predator kicking the but of 23455121243 Xenomorphs will never end in a good movie - and no I don't say that because I am biased as creature I like the Predator as well. The book which was based on the Alien script even gives the idea that Ash (the android on the Nostromo) might even had contact with the creature, maybe even a form of communication once. But the movie never mentions it and the book was never clear about that part. You can not make an AvP movie without making the Aliens one way or another a generic "I crush your skull with my teeth" monster. Thats the compromise. And its a shit compromise.
Why was AvP made? Fox might tell you "because they fit", some might have even believed that. No clue. But as far as both movie experiences go, they don't. Both Alien(s) and Predator aim for a completely different experience. I can enjoy both Star Trek and Star Wars a lot. But I would never get the idea to mix those. The same is true for Alien and Predator.
It has a reason why there are not many good crossovers. Because honestly, mots of them end like a simple Werwolf meets Frankenstein or Freddy vs Jason garbage. On top of my head I cant even think of any good crossover with movies. Because honestly, when do crossovers happen? Jup. When the original movies lose their appeal, interest. When creativity and air is sucked out. And somehow people believe if no one likes Chicken and ice-Cream anymore it would a great idea to throw a roasted chicken in some bowel with ice cream and it suddenly tastes better. A few might like it maybe, but if people already lost their interest in Chicken and Ice cream then there is nothing you can do here.
I am a huge Alien fan. But even I have to agree here ... there is not much you can do with the Alien franchise anymore as far as movies are concerned without causing a huge damage to it. Why? Because Aliens are not like Star Wars where you can create a lot of side plots. Xenomorphs are a very specific kind of creature and the ONLY creature we have seen. Ever. In the movies. Star Wars is interesting because of that huge universe, with all its possibilities. It started with Luke but it doesn't need him to be interesting. Many agree that after Aliens particularly after Alien 3 the franchise was finished. Star Wars was never really finished. It had an happy end yes, but it still has a lot of potential making stories about the new Republic, rebuilding the Jedy Order or to see the past of Vader (if done well). The Alien franchise doesn't offer the same freedom in creativity. And thats one of the reasons why many of the new projects including Prometheus felt a bit disturbing and out of place despite the fact that Prometheus had a few other problems as well like really bad dialogues and ridiculous acting.
And before someone mentions certain comics, remember, many of the comics play in the same universe, just because Spiderman and Iron Man work well together doesn't mean its a cross over! Big difference! Its the same universe.
Stanislao Moulinsky said:
Crni Vuk said:
yeah but pretty much no one who worked with the Alien movies was very happy about the AvP project, which includes Sigourney Waver and Ridley Scott.
With the AvP project (i.e. the horrible movies) or the idea of AvP in general? The difference isn't small, you know.
Actually the Idea in general, because both started as movies. Comics or even games are really just a VERY small part of that. Side kicks if you want. They are neither Canon nor anything else etc. Not to mention both comics and games create a different field and experience. AvP1 for example as game had barely any story at all, yet it was effective because its fun playing a character, killing stuff with a pulse rifle or ziping around as alien in the hall ways. A different form of entertainment with its own rules. Same for Comics. Doesnt work so well with the movies though.
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