Irwin John Finster
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Uh people already did that. Their response was: "Not interested in discussing how realistic things are in an alternate universe post-apoc game w/ talking mutants and ghouls/"
Anyone Else think Shoddycast has become a Bethesda Bum-licking channel?
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Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Throatpunch
Banned
Thats actually not an unreasonable reply. I agree with them on that.
Irwin John Finster
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
The implication is they don't care about internal consistency and just put random crap in the game like Pre-War Jet and Ancient Aliens without thinking about building a believable, cohesive universe. It makes a lot of us feel like they are lazy and simply treat this as a casual FPS with a Fallout theme.
I agree there are quite a few tedious complaints about lore-breaking but Fallout 4 crosses the limit of what I personally consider acceptable writing. It's just lazy for me and feels like all the writing was done with the sole purpose of leading to more FPS gameplay than immersion and world building.
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FOR THE SAME REASON WHY WE DON'T WRITE ALL LIKE THIS, DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE COULD!
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Or like this.
Or maybe this?
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Kadscaner
NMA’s only mutie
Do it if you want, I don't give a hoot.
Yeah, but if you want to stay here and discuss stuff with us, you better stick to forum ettiqute. I am not going to make this a discussion. For the same reason as why you should flush the toilet after you're done, or why you should take a shower now and then. You know? Just because there is no rule for it, doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.
So lightsabers in Game of Thrones would also be alright. I mean "Not interested in discussing how plausible things are in an alternate universe magic setting w/ talking giants and dragons/"
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Throatpunch
Banned
What they were saying was that realism does not matter in a totally unrealistic world, nothing to do with lore loopholes
eissa
Artanis "Altáriel" Nerwen Nos Finwe
i dont know if you guys are talking about the storyteller sries, hidden history or stuff that austin horrigan banging around. so far i like the shoddycast, especially when austin start to deconstruct the science aspect of entire fallout lore and how to make the more alternative and plausible version.
Wait, why i just experience De ja vu already? does these used to exist already in 3 times?
Wait, why i just experience De ja vu already? does these used to exist already in 3 times?
Then it is good that we are not talking about realism here, but plausability and verisimilitude. There are certain things that should be respected, even in a setting like Fallout with all the whacky and spacey stuff. For the simple reason why you would expect guns to run out of bullets or people to bleed when you hit/shoot them. It doesn't matter that it's not 100% realistic. What matters that it is true to the setting. And to use ghouls as example, the setting never made it really clear how they worked, it was generally accepted that they had to deal with the same limitations like most humans. Requring food/water and water for example.
Jogre
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Don't forget Consistency with former lore. It's specifically mentioned in both 1 and New Vegas that Ghouls need to eat and drink, and heavily implied in 2.
Kadscaner
NMA’s only mutie
Throatpunch
Banned
Is it the Kid In a Fridge piece thing you are angry about? To be honest I think it was meant as a joke, and not to be taken seriously at all. Comedy for people with a bad sense of humour.
Not when you put it in perspective with the quote from Pete on the subject, which I feel was also meant to silence ANY kind of criticism against the writing, when ever something pops up that doesn't fitt really. Like if it had the potential to contradict loore.
Kadscaner
NMA’s only mutie
Didn't mean to act like a dick, sorry. I do a lot of shit without thinking first :/
Throatpunch
Banned
No problems bro
Jogre
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
A. If it were a joke, why did they make Bullet go in to detail explaining how Ghouls don't need to eat/drink?, why didn't they just try and pass it off, and assume people would take it as a joke with no explanation.
B. Then why didn't Pete Hines say "It was meant as a joke" rather than going to the trouble of saying "Not interested in discussing realism in a post-apo w/ talking super mutants and ghouls"
Irwin John Finster
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
I think the bottom line for me is: The writing in Fallout 4 is unacceptably awful even if we conclude that complaints are irrelevant and the lore is fine.
Kadscaner
NMA’s only mutie
Yeah, there are literally no memorable lines in the entire game. Nothing inspirational or philosophical like in New Vegas, a la "It's said war - war never changes. Men do, through the roads they walk. And this road... has reached its end"
Shardik
Still Mildly Glowing
But they fail to grasp that while realism doesn't matter in an unrealistic world, maintaining consistency with the rules, customs, physical laws, etc. created for that unrealistic world absolutely does matter. The world of Harry Potter is totally unrealistic, but everything that happens in it follows the logic and parameters J.K. Rowling laid out for it when she created it.
If an author of children's books can maintain consistency within the fictional universe she created, why can't a company like Bethesda do the same?
Throatpunch
Banned
Thats a very good point, I concede to you guys on this one.