Thomas de Aynesworth
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
Which is why I wouldn't say that every companion is "potentially bisexual".
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Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
ramessesjones
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Morrigan won't romance a female either. Although I don't think they were meant to be, the Dragon Age sex scenes are pretty funny, especially if you're playing a bald, female dwarf. Generally the"romances" are generally anything but romantic (maybe Alistair and female human noble might make a little sense but that is about it).
Black Feather
Mildly Dipped
Crni Vuk said:Well making everyone a "potential" bisexual like in Dragonage is probably notgumbarrel said:Like you would know what a "realistic" romantic dialog is
DAO is the most overhyped pile of crap ever.
Although being labelled as a homophobe for my rants on zevran on certain forums, i have to agree that arcade is indeed awesome.
Black Feather said:
Hmmm.
While this is not the place to DA:O, I do plan on including a "refreshing compared to BioWare's ham-fisted approach" in my review of the game. BW's approach to homosexuality is pretty offensive overall, especially when it comes to Commander Shepard (female Shepard can be gay, male Shepard can not. I am insulted).
Brother None said:
That seems like a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" pickle for BioWare: If they add gay options, you blast them. If they don't add gay options, you blast them.
Being that pretty much every BioWare romance sidequest is basically "talk to me three times over the course of the game," can you really fault them for remaining true to form for switch-hitters?
Nalano said:
Huh? Thanks for telling me how I respond to different options.
What part of "having a female gay Shepard but not a male gay Shepard" do you not understand? They didn't just add or not add gay options, that's fine, they basically are telling us that the hero of the galaxy can be a lesbian, but he can not be gay. Because it's not heroic?
Similarly, the bi-sexual girl in DA:O is just a girl, stupid singing sequences aside. The bi-sexual guy is some kind of ultra-fruity supergay. It doesn't take a genius to see a pattern here. Lesbianism is awesome, but gay males are icky.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv2TEigj-cI[/youtube]Thomas de Aynesworth said:
Though I think Morrigan doesnt do it with "dwarves" but since I never played one I cant tell. But that at least makes sense.
ramessesjones said:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5Wa4cuIBxE[/youtube]
As BN said the way how Bioware is handling their "romances" is almost insulting. Not to mention unrealistic.
Thing is every gay person should dislike zevran and like arcade ganon as he is the most realistic impresion from a gay personality you will get ina game. Not because he is "nice" but because he seems "normal". Dont know why even some GAY people think its something "special". Its not. Its simply part of life. And Vegas shows that pretty nicely. The time I played with Ganon I didnt even realised hes really "gay" before reading it on the wiki. Which now doesnt mean as "gay" people acting "girly" always wearing thight pink pants are bad or something. Its about preference. Some like to express their personality in a certain way and if they feel happy with that one should respect it. But there is not "the gay" like there is no stereotypical "hetero".Black Feather said:
Thats though more cause of the way how homosexuality is seen in general. 2 females going with each other is a completely different case then 2 males. You will not hear about those females not beeng "females" but as soon people realise that youre a homosexual male many will deny you your manhood. Speaking about it lesbians are seen in the media in general not as offensive like gay males. Its a male oriented buisness and 2 sexy "females" kissing each other sells better then males. Yet there is a lot more research for example on male homosexuality while the lesbian community gets almost ignored. I have spend a lot of time reading about it and its still always a surprise. Particularly when you read how much research is done in homosexuality yet more then 3/4 of the population is heterosexual and there is no clear answer "why" exactly people are heterosexual (certain specias for example contain on average 50% bisexual preferences, yet no one knows why).Brother None said:
Black Feather
Mildly Dipped
Yes, morrigan does it with dwarves. Every DA:O NPC does it with everything, regardless of stats or race.
Well i didn't play the last Bioware games - so i can't judge ME2 (where the decision sounds really strange), but their representation before DA and ME seemed not much worse than what Obsidian presented with NWN 2, KOTOR 2 or even Alpha Protocol.
So i guess it isn't important if it's Bioware or Obsidian but more on which person is doing the writting for the romances.
I think Obsidian - even though they made a good job - should have lost the 'hetero/homo'-perks, because having to add XY-persons simply because they need to be each as viable as the other isn't the best thing for writting i guess.
At least having some people noticing some 'heavy' undertone of sexuality because of that is a sign - even though a lot, as myself, didn't felt that undertone.
So i guess it isn't important if it's Bioware or Obsidian but more on which person is doing the writting for the romances.
I think Obsidian - even though they made a good job - should have lost the 'hetero/homo'-perks, because having to add XY-persons simply because they need to be each as viable as the other isn't the best thing for writting i guess.
At least having some people noticing some 'heavy' undertone of sexuality because of that is a sign - even though a lot, as myself, didn't felt that undertone.
Brother None said:
Oh, so liking Antivan Leather Boots makes you an ultra-fruity supergay? Now who's being offensive
Btw, he was written by a woman, LOL!
How about I just add this can of spank ass right here
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j4t185wl-0[/youtube]
OK, some weird logic here. So, lot's of research is done on homosexuality, yet we are mostly hetero? Are you implying that we shouldn't, because of the research that is done, wtf?
There is no clear answer as to why we are mostly hetero? Well there is no clear answer as to why people are gay. What exactly are you trying to say here?
The funniest thing about DA:O romance for me was that I had that bug that prevented the game from removing your armor for the sex scenes. Boy did I lawl at the "full-armor" looove.
I think the worst thing about DA:O romance was that you could have it with pretty much every companion, it took little effort to complete and usually very little time too. By the end of the game I think I've managed to seduce every single member of the group. That's just wrong. But well, at least they had the decency not to throw in an "orgy" scene.
As for gay characters, my favourite is still Bertram from TOEE. Curiously enough, also a man with medical experience like Arcade. hmmmm...
I think the worst thing about DA:O romance was that you could have it with pretty much every companion, it took little effort to complete and usually very little time too. By the end of the game I think I've managed to seduce every single member of the group. That's just wrong. But well, at least they had the decency not to throw in an "orgy" scene.
As for gay characters, my favourite is still Bertram from TOEE. Curiously enough, also a man with medical experience like Arcade. hmmmm...
Carib FMJ
Nuka-Cola Chaser
Since Arcade is Enclave, I suppose NCR is still out gunning for them, after all they did try to kill everyone. However, it is sad that even though he helps cover the escape of the NCR, he is incarcerated for life. I'd figure most of the enclave remnants would have been forcibly intergrated into the NCR. There is a lot of knowledge and talent that simply shouldn't be wiped out.
I guess maybe the Enclave is viewed like the SS; to be hunted down and tried... even though he would have been a child when Navarro was attacked.
I guess maybe the Enclave is viewed like the SS; to be hunted down and tried... even though he would have been a child when Navarro was attacked.
Enclave 86
First time out of the vault
Carib FMJ said:
The thing is Arcade isn't really Enclave, he must have been like, 4 or something when Navarro was captured, the NCR, Brotherhood and even private bounty hunters tracked those Enclave personnel who remained at Navarro.
The paralels between the Enclave are the Nazis are quite obvious if you think about it, they're all trying to hide and settle down but people keep tracking them down.
Carib FMJ
Nuka-Cola Chaser
Enclave 86 said:
True he may not be Enclave in the sense he was too young to have been able to do anything, but I doubt NCR see's it that way. As far as they concerned, the wearing of the armor, ties of blood are guilty by association.
And I am sure the few remnants seen are the last of the Enclave, it wouldn't surprise me that some could have squirmed their way in. And many others could have escaped and some probably even co-oped into NCR. And in many ways, NCR could also be like cleaning house:
Wipe out all traces of the old world. The Enclave are the legacy of the old government, for good or bad, and NCR being the new power probably won't tolerate that sort of sharing. Look at the Brotherhood of Steel. They went from being allies to being at a constant state of war with the NCR mainly because of political and technological interests.
In the end NCR is seeing itself to be the one true power in the wastes.
And poor Arcade is merely a victim of it all. Branded for life merely because of his heritage.
Ausdoerrt said:
That meter that says "Friendly, Liked" or whatever isn't the romance meter. It's just your reputation with the character and depending on your gender, some characters will sleep with you when it's high enough.
That doesn't mean that you have "seduced" Sten at max reputation, lol.
Enclave 86
First time out of the vault
Carib FMJ said:
Well in one of ED-E's logs, Whitley mentions Enclave Outposts in Chicago and he does have a licence plate from Illinois attached to him so I can only hope the Enclave is alive in some form. I have just learned that there are some BoS in the Chicago area however, fuck!
The NCR do not respect the legitamacy of the Enclave that's for sure, as Judah Kreger says during For Auld Lang Syne, "claimed we were a threat to the region." Then again that's the point, even if Arcade helps them they still chase him, cause they themselves are based on American pre-war. They are just as immoral.
Stanislao Moulinsky
Vault Fossil
Ausdoerrt said:
They chose to be doctors so they could touch naked men all the time.
Thomas de Aynesworth
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
Is it messed up that my email address is "enclave87"?Enclave 86 said:
Enclave 86
First time out of the vault
Thomas de Aynesworth said:
Unless also 87 came from a WWII Wermacht Regiment, I would say wierd and co-incidental
. You another fan of the Enclave and it's work?