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First time out of the vault
You got me on that one... Perhaps a brain fart or selective memory loss... 
Ask me your questions, Bridgekeeper. I am not afraid.
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First time out of the vault
*casts Summon MrBumble*
B's already one it.
Briosafreak
Lived Through the Heat Death
MrBumble said:
I'll wait then.
translation
I was bored so I translated this into English
-- edited for clarity and spelling
1)Environment
Does a sense of freedom emanate from the environment? Or is the feeling more narrow?
[A sense of freedom, yes. Extremely vast distances; not really. Once we have left the vault, the view hints at an area of several kilometers in distance and we can see in the distance the ruined buildings of Washington. Instinctively we follow the road that descends into the city but we are totally free to wander where we choose. I chose to head straight ahead until I had a sense of the size of the zone to explore all the while consulting the map to give me a sense of scale. During the half hour that I was allowed, I traversed nearly all of the two zones in the map, walking leisurely and stopping occasionally for combat or exploring buildings. It is definitely smaller than Oblivion, like Bethesda already mentioned.
Environment types, purely urban?
No, there are vast fields of dead trees, devastated villages and even a lake. Although, I did not notice a great diversity in the architecture, the color palette and the ambiance is pretty much the same everywhere. The lighting in Washington is more washed out, more orange in the wasteland but nothing radically different.
Does one not get the impression of a limited environment? (A false impression of player freedom)
In Fallout 3, the world is open, no “corridor effect”. Players’ freedom to move around appears total. Only the roads of Washington suffer a sense of imposed linearity as the buildings on either side often form impenetrable obstacles.
Can we explore lots of buildings and ruins?
In Megaton, the first town in the game, it is possible to visit each building, house or shack which number around 20 in the area. There is also a clinic, armory, bar, water purifying station and others. During my session with the game I only wandered into one building with hostiles, a sort of underground bunker in Washington DC. Strangely, I immediately saw the similarities between it and an Oblivion dungeon: A single entrance and corridors filled with monsters. Further along, I didn’t notice any buildings I could enter, but I did not look too hard for other “dungeons”. It’s a little frustrating to come across a building with broken windows but be unable to jump through them to see if it can be explored or not.
How does radiation play a part in the game? What does it do visually?
In Fallout 3, all sources of natural water are radioactive (puddles, rivers, etc) If you walk through it your Pipboy Geiger counter sounds and an red icon appears at the top of the screen which tells you the number of rads taken. It appears that finding pure water is a necessity if you want to drink it. I don’t know if being thirsty has any affect on the gameplay, I did not even see a complete day/night cycle during my time with the game. Radiation is also apparent in the beasts of the wasteland and the meat that can be recovered from their corpses may be radioactive and detrimental to your health if consumed. Again, I don’t know how hunger is implemented, I simply noticed a slight regain in health whenever I ate any food.
Is the post-apocalyptic atmosphere well implemented?
With the wasteland filled with destroyed, rusted and mouldy artifacts, yes. If we refer to previous Fallouts, it is clear that the game designers are seeking a less fantasy setting whilst still staying true to the license. We find certain visual things: Vault Boy, ads for Nuka-Cola etc,. Even more, the world of Fallout 3 feels empty. Too empty. The explanation of a nuclear holocaust is plausible, but wandering the wasteland we only came across one mutant dog and a sort of giant wasp. There is a real sense of loneliness. We can ransack from various places (trash cans, -- buildings, etc) but the things that we find don’t lend themselves to establishing the atmosphere of the game. For example, we found three frag grenades in a letter box along with a dose of Psycho.
Are there as many popular culture references in this instance as there was in Fallout 1 and Fallout 2? (Monty Python, Holy Grail, Wizard of Oz, Blues Brothers any others?)
It’s difficult to tell given how short the session was, but I think not. The only wink I noticed (and I’m not sure it was intentional) was during a visit to “Forbidden Planet” were I found a strangely familiar robot in front of the entrance to Megaton. As to the rest of the game, I did not see anything else. I don’t think we will find the same off-kilter humor as was Black Isles hallmark, unfortunately. This version of the fallout universe is sadly a more serious one. Let us hope that exploring the rest of the zone will prove me wrong.
Does this game have real depth? The zillions of details, winding paths, loads of stuff to do outside of the set towns and areas of interest?
Like Oblivion had a pile of little villages, hermit NPCs all of whom had a personality of a wet bag. I did not encounter any NPCS in the wasteland other than an itinerant vendor named WolfGang in front of Megaton who was doing something on the back of his Brahmin. There are some details here and there but the impression of emptiness dominates the exploration to the point where one asks the question: Was adding NPCs to the wasteland on Bethesda’s TODO list? I could wander through a ruined village without finding any indication that something was there to do.
2) Gameplay
Is the gore associated with violent death logical or over-the-top?
That is the problem with E3. During the Fallout 3 Demo, Bethesda wanted to emphasize the games “adult” content and pushed the gore through the roof. During the initial demo, Peter Hines did the same: using the “Bloody Mess” trait, which makes every death really bloody, really gorey. Shoot someone in the foot and the entire body explodes in a fountain of blood. When actually playing it is a lot less impressive, the enemies die without too much fuss. On the other hand, the inconsistencies are apparent, like when a mini-nuke just cuts off an enemies foot.
Is playing Fallout 3 with a controller a good experience? How will the interface be adapted to mouse/keyboard combination?
We are not big FPS aficionados, I had a lot of trouble controlling my character and aiming was really hard. VATS helped with this a lot, something I was not expecting. When confronted by a group of enemies, it seems like the most sensible solution. On the other hand, on the PC, I was much better. The mouse/keyboard interface allowed for more accurate aiming. One can imagine that the RT aspect will resemble Quake 3 where the player strafes around his enemies; avoiding their shots while simultaneously emptying clips into them – totally negating the need for VATS. Like Oblivion, character skill along with line of site plays a factor in determining to-hit success but the translation to FPS must be tempered with the next question:
If the PC version is exactly the same as the one tested for the Xbox 360; it is very likely that this is the case; will the experience be marred by this (interface, save/load, …)
Oh yes, I think that on the PC the interface will prove unwieldy. Bethesda has chosen to put all the menus inside the Pipboy affixed to your arm. If it is a question of immersion, the intention is commendable, ergonomically it’s a absolute disgrace: A stick to switch between 3 large menus (stats-item-data) the other to navigate within the window and all the sub menus. On top of that, the inventory is reduced to simple lists of names, a miniature picture of the item appears to the right for each. Also, forget about the two quick items found at the bottom of your inventory (in the originals) as Turn-based is completely dispensed with. In this system, one is faced with equipping a single item or weapon at a time.
With real time combat, Is the concept or use of Action Points ala “Turn Based” useful or even captivating?
On the 360 like I said, the VATS system is indispensable for survival. Often, melee enemies get within range very quickly and VATS allows the player to get out of tight situations. I did not feel it was overly-powerful and I was often forced to close the gap to improve my chances of hitting the target. In addition, aiming for specific body parts will appeal to the jokers amongst us: Fire at a super-mutants weapon and it will fall from his grasp. Such accurate shots are difficult to reproduce in real-time mode. In practice, we find ourselves using all our APs to fire at an enemies chest not even trying for the head. APs recharge in real-time mode but don’t affect ones ability to access the inventory. It seems to me that AP could be used for so much more than just aimed shots. It is a terrible blow for the types of combat tactics that existed in the franchise previously.
Adaptive difficulty Yes or No (Level Scaling)
Big question. The Bethesda lot have assured us for months that level scaling; railed against by Elder Scrolls Fan; was out. Permit me to cast strong doubt on this. See: towards the end of my half hour, whilst wandering through Washington DC, I fell upon a group of three super mutants. One was equipped with a Gatling. I was level 3 and I was only equipped with light Raider armor. For weapons, I had a baseball bat and a basic 10mm pistol and an ammo-less laser piston. I switch to VATS and aim for the Gatling mutant in the hopes of making him drop his weapon. I miss and the other two mutants head straight for me. I grab my baseball bat and alternate between VATS and real-time whilst waiting for my AP to recharge. The first mutant is downed, I loot a bat with a nail in it and kill the second mutant in much the same fashion. During this some sort of mutant spider joins the fray and attacks me. I kill it with my bat. The third super mutant fell to a combination of grenade and 10mm pistol. I’m a half hour into the game, level 3 and I manage to take down three super mutants and some unidentified thing without much trouble and find myself in possession of a Gatling fun. All is good.
Are the dialogs well written and ambiguous or do we see immediately the following response styles:
Evil, Good, Neutral
The only dialog that could serve as an example of the richness of conversations that I could do was with Lucas Simms, the sheriff of Megaton. He is a principal character and it appears that the the logic of the response reflect the complexity of the conversations in the entirety of the game. With certain responses, insult him, leave him be, the dialog choices approached the “Evil-Good-Neutral” pattern. I did not come away with any sense of subtlety in the responses, but again, I did not have enough time to really make up my mind. For certain responses, it was necessary to have good stats in conversation. For those responses, the percentage chance of it succeeding is displayed.
Is the game difficult (scarcity of ammo and stimpacks.. etc)
No, in any case we do not get into early difficulty as often as in the first part of Fallout 2. The enemies are weak and the other beasts mentioned above and beyond super mutants should deserve respect. I inadvertently died twice, once I had my legs ripped off by a poorly thrown grenade. The game gave us an easy time of it during the session, it appears to be a sort of mixed combat between checkpoints with auto-save.
Do you have to kill rats?
Yes. Lots. The only dungeon that I went into was infested with them and the security turrets seemed not to notice them, so when I glanced down a corridor it was like a rat buffet.
Is the AI as poor as it appears in the gameplay videos?
Yes, unfortunately, it’s one of the main faults of the full version of Fallout 3. The mobs are totally stupid, with NPCs that flee in the direction of their aggressors, enemies that find themselves running on the spot, blocked by a too-low platform ( enabling me to re-arrange their faces during combat), rats that charge you so close as to bump into you then jumping up and down in a vain attempt to cause you harm. It is the one point that Bethesda should be taken to task over.
Did you experience the stealing system? Is it similar to Oblivions? Can one steal objects from NPCs? Do NPCs attack at the merest infraction or can one get caught without releasing total carnage?
The stealing system in identical to the one found in Oblivion. Just enter sneak mode. There is an indicator at the top of the screen that shows you whether you are visible or not. If you are caught, your Karma takes a hit but no-one attacked in my attempts to steal the pants of some chick in Megaton. Burglary on the other hand, might piss you off. Doors with names in red signify that to enter would be considered breaking and entering. Looting items from inside affects your Karma negatively. Where it really hurts is that your Karma is lowered regardless of whether anyone saw you. Omniscient NPCs that know all my crimes reminds me gloomily of Boiling Point.
Can we avoid combat?
The problem is I never got to try: no doubt we can get around enemies by sneaking, but being spotted by them before you get a chance to see them really limits alternatives. This is another issue with AI that should be patched before release.
Are the weapons customizable, are there different ammo types ?(I’m dreaming I know)
From what I saw, no. The weapons are limited to a list, it does not seem possible to combine them with other inventory items. I did not find any different ammo types during my playthrough.
How many different types of weapons are there?
The total number of weapons available has not been released. It appears that there is enough variety in gun types, melee weapons and exotics like the Rock-It Launcher or old favourites like the Power Fist.
Is there fast travel like in Oblivion?
Yes, after a certain amount of exploration, a message appears telling the player that fast travel is now unlocked. Personally, I did not use it.
Are quests solvable in multiple ways?
For the quests, the developers confirm that they wanted to allow the player to complete them however they wish. For example, in the town of Megaton; named so relevantly: the bomb in the centre of town remains armed and undetonated years after the apocalyptic events that gave rise to the wasteland. The locals worship this as a religious artifact. The Sheriff asks you to disarm it permanently. If you have the necessary skill in explosives you have the opportunity to disarm it or disable it. If you spend a bit of time in town you might run across an unsavory character that asks for your help in his plan to detonate the bomb. You are free to help him, send him to hell or denounce him to the sheriff. Concerning progression in the world I was aware at all times of a certain repetitiveness. Peter Hines confided in us that near each turret in the game there could be found a terminal for hacking said turret. It is interesting to let the player choose how to wend his way but systematically offering the same alternative solutions every time risks getting old.
3)Technical Merits
With regards to implementation, first impressions are confirmed: It’s ugly. The textures are faded, un-detailed for sure, aliasing is really obvious and the colors are really, really poorly chosen. Badly chosen in terms of coherence and not just because “it fit in with the spirit of the original”. Take this with a grain of salt, this was the 360 unfinished build, but it does not bode well for Fallout 3 shining on its technical merit. A example to illustrate my point. I approached a broken window of a building: the texture was so pixelated as to make me wonder whether the texture was lifted from doom.
Can we zoom out further than the over-the-shoulder view?
There are two viewing choices: FPS and Third-Person (like RE4). There was a bug in the game that at one point placed the camera further away from the character; centered on him much like Oblivion. But this zoom is not allowed normally, one must be contented with over-the-shoulder.
Is the music in the game fitting?
Yes. The orchestral pieces by Inon Zur were not replaced. It’s difficult for Canard PC not to wax evangelical about this subject. The music was nicely muted, but on further investigation in the options it appeared the volume was lowered in the setup. Military march music, the type heard during gameplay videos found on the web, come from robots; bastard offspring of the sputnik. Your pipboy also frequently picks up local radio stations which you can listen to.
Are the animations Bethesda-like?
Yes. The mark of Bethesda is ever present: the people act like retards, extremely bad animations, not natural for one second. The over-the-shoulder view suffers greatly from this and renders it disagreeable to use. FPS Jumping is sloooow, reminiscent of astronauts on the moon. Third person is no better and also suffers from ridiculous animation. Oblivion had exactly the same problems and it is upsetting that nothing has been done to improve fluidity.
In the videos – in slow motion, there is the impression that the camera circles weirdly (or put another way, we have no idea what’s going on.) Is this still the case?
Yes, a thousand times yes. For now, I hope that this is not the system that ends up in the game. Whether there in slow motion or during VATS usage, the camera pans to some strawberries, or to show us a big map on a wall, a foot or sometimes nothing. Furthermore, I could find no menu option that allowed me to turn off slow-mo for shots. The camera during my adventure in the underground dungeon was seriously trying especially with lots of action on the screen, what with rats that I couldn’t aim at heading straight towards me like kamikaze kangaroos on acid.
Must one work for NASA (or something) to succeed in running this game?
I’ve no idea what the requirements are for the PC, but I can vouch for the smoothness on the 360 was really not up to scratch . There was a lot of stuttering during my journey in the famous “dungeon”, even though it was nothing more than a series of corridors. So yes, ok, there were smoke effects, but nothing to tax a machine like the 360. It is undeniably an optimization issue that should be fixed by Bethesda before release.
Conclusion
Once again, it is not easy to get a fair idea of what Fallout 3 will be like on release. In total, the development team has a pile a bugs of all types to fix. It is in all cases certain that this will not shine on technical merits, with empty interiors, outdated and badly used character models, “Rigor Mortis” animations..
Disassociating from the gameplay of the preceding Fallouts, Bethesda has seen fit to impose their view of an action RPG, in the same vein as Oblivion. It is impossible for me to guarantee that this will be a good fallout game, even a good game at that
I was bored so I translated this into English
-- edited for clarity and spelling
1)Environment
Does a sense of freedom emanate from the environment? Or is the feeling more narrow?
[A sense of freedom, yes. Extremely vast distances; not really. Once we have left the vault, the view hints at an area of several kilometers in distance and we can see in the distance the ruined buildings of Washington. Instinctively we follow the road that descends into the city but we are totally free to wander where we choose. I chose to head straight ahead until I had a sense of the size of the zone to explore all the while consulting the map to give me a sense of scale. During the half hour that I was allowed, I traversed nearly all of the two zones in the map, walking leisurely and stopping occasionally for combat or exploring buildings. It is definitely smaller than Oblivion, like Bethesda already mentioned.
Environment types, purely urban?
No, there are vast fields of dead trees, devastated villages and even a lake. Although, I did not notice a great diversity in the architecture, the color palette and the ambiance is pretty much the same everywhere. The lighting in Washington is more washed out, more orange in the wasteland but nothing radically different.
Does one not get the impression of a limited environment? (A false impression of player freedom)
In Fallout 3, the world is open, no “corridor effect”. Players’ freedom to move around appears total. Only the roads of Washington suffer a sense of imposed linearity as the buildings on either side often form impenetrable obstacles.
Can we explore lots of buildings and ruins?
In Megaton, the first town in the game, it is possible to visit each building, house or shack which number around 20 in the area. There is also a clinic, armory, bar, water purifying station and others. During my session with the game I only wandered into one building with hostiles, a sort of underground bunker in Washington DC. Strangely, I immediately saw the similarities between it and an Oblivion dungeon: A single entrance and corridors filled with monsters. Further along, I didn’t notice any buildings I could enter, but I did not look too hard for other “dungeons”. It’s a little frustrating to come across a building with broken windows but be unable to jump through them to see if it can be explored or not.
How does radiation play a part in the game? What does it do visually?
In Fallout 3, all sources of natural water are radioactive (puddles, rivers, etc) If you walk through it your Pipboy Geiger counter sounds and an red icon appears at the top of the screen which tells you the number of rads taken. It appears that finding pure water is a necessity if you want to drink it. I don’t know if being thirsty has any affect on the gameplay, I did not even see a complete day/night cycle during my time with the game. Radiation is also apparent in the beasts of the wasteland and the meat that can be recovered from their corpses may be radioactive and detrimental to your health if consumed. Again, I don’t know how hunger is implemented, I simply noticed a slight regain in health whenever I ate any food.
Is the post-apocalyptic atmosphere well implemented?
With the wasteland filled with destroyed, rusted and mouldy artifacts, yes. If we refer to previous Fallouts, it is clear that the game designers are seeking a less fantasy setting whilst still staying true to the license. We find certain visual things: Vault Boy, ads for Nuka-Cola etc,. Even more, the world of Fallout 3 feels empty. Too empty. The explanation of a nuclear holocaust is plausible, but wandering the wasteland we only came across one mutant dog and a sort of giant wasp. There is a real sense of loneliness. We can ransack from various places (trash cans, -- buildings, etc) but the things that we find don’t lend themselves to establishing the atmosphere of the game. For example, we found three frag grenades in a letter box along with a dose of Psycho.
Are there as many popular culture references in this instance as there was in Fallout 1 and Fallout 2? (Monty Python, Holy Grail, Wizard of Oz, Blues Brothers any others?)
It’s difficult to tell given how short the session was, but I think not. The only wink I noticed (and I’m not sure it was intentional) was during a visit to “Forbidden Planet” were I found a strangely familiar robot in front of the entrance to Megaton. As to the rest of the game, I did not see anything else. I don’t think we will find the same off-kilter humor as was Black Isles hallmark, unfortunately. This version of the fallout universe is sadly a more serious one. Let us hope that exploring the rest of the zone will prove me wrong.
Does this game have real depth? The zillions of details, winding paths, loads of stuff to do outside of the set towns and areas of interest?
Like Oblivion had a pile of little villages, hermit NPCs all of whom had a personality of a wet bag. I did not encounter any NPCS in the wasteland other than an itinerant vendor named WolfGang in front of Megaton who was doing something on the back of his Brahmin. There are some details here and there but the impression of emptiness dominates the exploration to the point where one asks the question: Was adding NPCs to the wasteland on Bethesda’s TODO list? I could wander through a ruined village without finding any indication that something was there to do.
2) Gameplay
Is the gore associated with violent death logical or over-the-top?
That is the problem with E3. During the Fallout 3 Demo, Bethesda wanted to emphasize the games “adult” content and pushed the gore through the roof. During the initial demo, Peter Hines did the same: using the “Bloody Mess” trait, which makes every death really bloody, really gorey. Shoot someone in the foot and the entire body explodes in a fountain of blood. When actually playing it is a lot less impressive, the enemies die without too much fuss. On the other hand, the inconsistencies are apparent, like when a mini-nuke just cuts off an enemies foot.
Is playing Fallout 3 with a controller a good experience? How will the interface be adapted to mouse/keyboard combination?
We are not big FPS aficionados, I had a lot of trouble controlling my character and aiming was really hard. VATS helped with this a lot, something I was not expecting. When confronted by a group of enemies, it seems like the most sensible solution. On the other hand, on the PC, I was much better. The mouse/keyboard interface allowed for more accurate aiming. One can imagine that the RT aspect will resemble Quake 3 where the player strafes around his enemies; avoiding their shots while simultaneously emptying clips into them – totally negating the need for VATS. Like Oblivion, character skill along with line of site plays a factor in determining to-hit success but the translation to FPS must be tempered with the next question:
If the PC version is exactly the same as the one tested for the Xbox 360; it is very likely that this is the case; will the experience be marred by this (interface, save/load, …)
Oh yes, I think that on the PC the interface will prove unwieldy. Bethesda has chosen to put all the menus inside the Pipboy affixed to your arm. If it is a question of immersion, the intention is commendable, ergonomically it’s a absolute disgrace: A stick to switch between 3 large menus (stats-item-data) the other to navigate within the window and all the sub menus. On top of that, the inventory is reduced to simple lists of names, a miniature picture of the item appears to the right for each. Also, forget about the two quick items found at the bottom of your inventory (in the originals) as Turn-based is completely dispensed with. In this system, one is faced with equipping a single item or weapon at a time.
With real time combat, Is the concept or use of Action Points ala “Turn Based” useful or even captivating?
On the 360 like I said, the VATS system is indispensable for survival. Often, melee enemies get within range very quickly and VATS allows the player to get out of tight situations. I did not feel it was overly-powerful and I was often forced to close the gap to improve my chances of hitting the target. In addition, aiming for specific body parts will appeal to the jokers amongst us: Fire at a super-mutants weapon and it will fall from his grasp. Such accurate shots are difficult to reproduce in real-time mode. In practice, we find ourselves using all our APs to fire at an enemies chest not even trying for the head. APs recharge in real-time mode but don’t affect ones ability to access the inventory. It seems to me that AP could be used for so much more than just aimed shots. It is a terrible blow for the types of combat tactics that existed in the franchise previously.
Adaptive difficulty Yes or No (Level Scaling)
Big question. The Bethesda lot have assured us for months that level scaling; railed against by Elder Scrolls Fan; was out. Permit me to cast strong doubt on this. See: towards the end of my half hour, whilst wandering through Washington DC, I fell upon a group of three super mutants. One was equipped with a Gatling. I was level 3 and I was only equipped with light Raider armor. For weapons, I had a baseball bat and a basic 10mm pistol and an ammo-less laser piston. I switch to VATS and aim for the Gatling mutant in the hopes of making him drop his weapon. I miss and the other two mutants head straight for me. I grab my baseball bat and alternate between VATS and real-time whilst waiting for my AP to recharge. The first mutant is downed, I loot a bat with a nail in it and kill the second mutant in much the same fashion. During this some sort of mutant spider joins the fray and attacks me. I kill it with my bat. The third super mutant fell to a combination of grenade and 10mm pistol. I’m a half hour into the game, level 3 and I manage to take down three super mutants and some unidentified thing without much trouble and find myself in possession of a Gatling fun. All is good.
Are the dialogs well written and ambiguous or do we see immediately the following response styles:
Evil, Good, Neutral
The only dialog that could serve as an example of the richness of conversations that I could do was with Lucas Simms, the sheriff of Megaton. He is a principal character and it appears that the the logic of the response reflect the complexity of the conversations in the entirety of the game. With certain responses, insult him, leave him be, the dialog choices approached the “Evil-Good-Neutral” pattern. I did not come away with any sense of subtlety in the responses, but again, I did not have enough time to really make up my mind. For certain responses, it was necessary to have good stats in conversation. For those responses, the percentage chance of it succeeding is displayed.
Is the game difficult (scarcity of ammo and stimpacks.. etc)
No, in any case we do not get into early difficulty as often as in the first part of Fallout 2. The enemies are weak and the other beasts mentioned above and beyond super mutants should deserve respect. I inadvertently died twice, once I had my legs ripped off by a poorly thrown grenade. The game gave us an easy time of it during the session, it appears to be a sort of mixed combat between checkpoints with auto-save.
Do you have to kill rats?
Yes. Lots. The only dungeon that I went into was infested with them and the security turrets seemed not to notice them, so when I glanced down a corridor it was like a rat buffet.
Is the AI as poor as it appears in the gameplay videos?
Yes, unfortunately, it’s one of the main faults of the full version of Fallout 3. The mobs are totally stupid, with NPCs that flee in the direction of their aggressors, enemies that find themselves running on the spot, blocked by a too-low platform ( enabling me to re-arrange their faces during combat), rats that charge you so close as to bump into you then jumping up and down in a vain attempt to cause you harm. It is the one point that Bethesda should be taken to task over.
Did you experience the stealing system? Is it similar to Oblivions? Can one steal objects from NPCs? Do NPCs attack at the merest infraction or can one get caught without releasing total carnage?
The stealing system in identical to the one found in Oblivion. Just enter sneak mode. There is an indicator at the top of the screen that shows you whether you are visible or not. If you are caught, your Karma takes a hit but no-one attacked in my attempts to steal the pants of some chick in Megaton. Burglary on the other hand, might piss you off. Doors with names in red signify that to enter would be considered breaking and entering. Looting items from inside affects your Karma negatively. Where it really hurts is that your Karma is lowered regardless of whether anyone saw you. Omniscient NPCs that know all my crimes reminds me gloomily of Boiling Point.
Can we avoid combat?
The problem is I never got to try: no doubt we can get around enemies by sneaking, but being spotted by them before you get a chance to see them really limits alternatives. This is another issue with AI that should be patched before release.
Are the weapons customizable, are there different ammo types ?(I’m dreaming I know)
From what I saw, no. The weapons are limited to a list, it does not seem possible to combine them with other inventory items. I did not find any different ammo types during my playthrough.
How many different types of weapons are there?
The total number of weapons available has not been released. It appears that there is enough variety in gun types, melee weapons and exotics like the Rock-It Launcher or old favourites like the Power Fist.
Is there fast travel like in Oblivion?
Yes, after a certain amount of exploration, a message appears telling the player that fast travel is now unlocked. Personally, I did not use it.
Are quests solvable in multiple ways?
For the quests, the developers confirm that they wanted to allow the player to complete them however they wish. For example, in the town of Megaton; named so relevantly: the bomb in the centre of town remains armed and undetonated years after the apocalyptic events that gave rise to the wasteland. The locals worship this as a religious artifact. The Sheriff asks you to disarm it permanently. If you have the necessary skill in explosives you have the opportunity to disarm it or disable it. If you spend a bit of time in town you might run across an unsavory character that asks for your help in his plan to detonate the bomb. You are free to help him, send him to hell or denounce him to the sheriff. Concerning progression in the world I was aware at all times of a certain repetitiveness. Peter Hines confided in us that near each turret in the game there could be found a terminal for hacking said turret. It is interesting to let the player choose how to wend his way but systematically offering the same alternative solutions every time risks getting old.
3)Technical Merits
With regards to implementation, first impressions are confirmed: It’s ugly. The textures are faded, un-detailed for sure, aliasing is really obvious and the colors are really, really poorly chosen. Badly chosen in terms of coherence and not just because “it fit in with the spirit of the original”. Take this with a grain of salt, this was the 360 unfinished build, but it does not bode well for Fallout 3 shining on its technical merit. A example to illustrate my point. I approached a broken window of a building: the texture was so pixelated as to make me wonder whether the texture was lifted from doom.
Can we zoom out further than the over-the-shoulder view?
There are two viewing choices: FPS and Third-Person (like RE4). There was a bug in the game that at one point placed the camera further away from the character; centered on him much like Oblivion. But this zoom is not allowed normally, one must be contented with over-the-shoulder.
Is the music in the game fitting?
Yes. The orchestral pieces by Inon Zur were not replaced. It’s difficult for Canard PC not to wax evangelical about this subject. The music was nicely muted, but on further investigation in the options it appeared the volume was lowered in the setup. Military march music, the type heard during gameplay videos found on the web, come from robots; bastard offspring of the sputnik. Your pipboy also frequently picks up local radio stations which you can listen to.
Are the animations Bethesda-like?
Yes. The mark of Bethesda is ever present: the people act like retards, extremely bad animations, not natural for one second. The over-the-shoulder view suffers greatly from this and renders it disagreeable to use. FPS Jumping is sloooow, reminiscent of astronauts on the moon. Third person is no better and also suffers from ridiculous animation. Oblivion had exactly the same problems and it is upsetting that nothing has been done to improve fluidity.
In the videos – in slow motion, there is the impression that the camera circles weirdly (or put another way, we have no idea what’s going on.) Is this still the case?
Yes, a thousand times yes. For now, I hope that this is not the system that ends up in the game. Whether there in slow motion or during VATS usage, the camera pans to some strawberries, or to show us a big map on a wall, a foot or sometimes nothing. Furthermore, I could find no menu option that allowed me to turn off slow-mo for shots. The camera during my adventure in the underground dungeon was seriously trying especially with lots of action on the screen, what with rats that I couldn’t aim at heading straight towards me like kamikaze kangaroos on acid.
Must one work for NASA (or something) to succeed in running this game?
I’ve no idea what the requirements are for the PC, but I can vouch for the smoothness on the 360 was really not up to scratch . There was a lot of stuttering during my journey in the famous “dungeon”, even though it was nothing more than a series of corridors. So yes, ok, there were smoke effects, but nothing to tax a machine like the 360. It is undeniably an optimization issue that should be fixed by Bethesda before release.
Conclusion
Once again, it is not easy to get a fair idea of what Fallout 3 will be like on release. In total, the development team has a pile a bugs of all types to fix. It is in all cases certain that this will not shine on technical merits, with empty interiors, outdated and badly used character models, “Rigor Mortis” animations..
Disassociating from the gameplay of the preceding Fallouts, Bethesda has seen fit to impose their view of an action RPG, in the same vein as Oblivion. It is impossible for me to guarantee that this will be a good fallout game, even a good game at that
Re: translation
Wow, that's really depressing. I had hoped that the game would at least be average (i.e. maybe worth a play through at a $20 or less price tag). Overall though the game just seems boring and nothing kills my interest in a game more than being bored.
vaultaire said:
Wow, that's really depressing. I had hoped that the game would at least be average (i.e. maybe worth a play through at a $20 or less price tag). Overall though the game just seems boring and nothing kills my interest in a game more than being bored.
Jesuit
It Wandered In From the Wastes
heh. ouch.
Sigh.
Alas, poor Fallout, I knew it well.
Alas, poor Fallout, I knew it well.
Briosafreak
Lived Through the Heat Death
Nice translation, needs a last revision and that's it. Good work.
Thanks Vaultaire ! Gave it the little corrections it needed here and there. Brother None will transform that into a big, nice article.
By the way, if you guys have specific questions you'd like to ask the CanardPC folks, go ahead, post them here. I shall translate them and post them on the CanardPC boards. I cannot guarantee they WILL answer them since there is a lot of animation on their boards and they might not even notice my post but I'll do my best, m'kay ?
By the way, if you guys have specific questions you'd like to ask the CanardPC folks, go ahead, post them here. I shall translate them and post them on the CanardPC boards. I cannot guarantee they WILL answer them since there is a lot of animation on their boards and they might not even notice my post but I'll do my best, m'kay ?
Monolith2013
First time out of the vault
Riddle me this...
3. Does the Amazon Suicide kit come with a set of razor blades, a bottle of Wild Turkey 101 and a tube of analeeezzze?
on a side note:
Watching E3 the other week was... Depressing, listening to all the parrots regurgitating to their young followers... quiche lookin metro boys, middle age pedo lookin freaks spouting off about this and that... Dumb bimbos attempting to have an informed decision... And wtf was the "I thought the PC market was dead" question by that tool? I remember a day when Interplay's slogan actually meant something, at least to some extent... By gamers, for gamers. The market now has no use for those types of ideals or marketing strategies.
And it's funny... All these sellouts remind me of that Direct TV commercial with the big wigs sitting at the conference table trying to come up with a new marketing strategy; it goes something like this...
"our customers don't like us and they're too needy... I prepose we ditch our existing customers and get new customers who don't know the difference between standard and high defenition TV"
Hey Todd and Pete... Sound familiar?
Speaking of which, that reminds me...
4. How does it feel being a corperate tool, all the while lacking any sense of origionality... Loose any sleep?
I wouldn't mind a 3D/1st person Fallout personally... I think Stalker is interesting and fun to play. So was Bioshock, but Fallout IS and always will be (in it's truest form) an RPG... NOT a shooter (refer to question #2 on the previous page) like they're trying to create (and 1 that lacks any decent AI or pathfinding for it's NPCs for that matter).
In short.... F*@# them all.
3. Does the Amazon Suicide kit come with a set of razor blades, a bottle of Wild Turkey 101 and a tube of analeeezzze?
on a side note:
Watching E3 the other week was... Depressing, listening to all the parrots regurgitating to their young followers... quiche lookin metro boys, middle age pedo lookin freaks spouting off about this and that... Dumb bimbos attempting to have an informed decision... And wtf was the "I thought the PC market was dead" question by that tool? I remember a day when Interplay's slogan actually meant something, at least to some extent... By gamers, for gamers. The market now has no use for those types of ideals or marketing strategies.
And it's funny... All these sellouts remind me of that Direct TV commercial with the big wigs sitting at the conference table trying to come up with a new marketing strategy; it goes something like this...
"our customers don't like us and they're too needy... I prepose we ditch our existing customers and get new customers who don't know the difference between standard and high defenition TV"
Hey Todd and Pete... Sound familiar?
Speaking of which, that reminds me...
4. How does it feel being a corperate tool, all the while lacking any sense of origionality... Loose any sleep?
I wouldn't mind a 3D/1st person Fallout personally... I think Stalker is interesting and fun to play. So was Bioshock, but Fallout IS and always will be (in it's truest form) an RPG... NOT a shooter (refer to question #2 on the previous page) like they're trying to create (and 1 that lacks any decent AI or pathfinding for it's NPCs for that matter).
In short.... F*@# them all.
Wow, that sounds pretty bad. Like... all of it.
Only "positive" note I'll remember from that is that the VATS system does appear to be quite useful. I suppose that's kinda sorta good news. No?
I laughed when I read that
Then again: we already foresaw that this attrocity might suck. I'm not going to waste any sleep over this.
Only "positive" note I'll remember from that is that the VATS system does appear to be quite useful. I suppose that's kinda sorta good news. No?
I laughed when I read that
and that
but it was a nervous laugh, an uncomfortable laugh.
Then again: we already foresaw that this attrocity might suck. I'm not going to waste any sleep over this.
whirlingdervish
Brahmin Cavalry Commander
alec said:Only "positive" note I'll remember from that is that the VATS system does appear to be quite useful. I suppose that's kinda sorta good news. No?
No.
When taken in the context of this previewers opinion about the combat, VATS was the only thing that made combat acceptable, at all.
The FPS combat was so hard to play (how do you make pointing and shooting tough?!) given the way the controls were designed for the xbox 360 controller (lets not forget that this was the MAIN DEVELOPMENT PLATFORM for FO3) that he had to use VATS so that he wouldn't die in combat against the rats.
Rats!!!
My God!
EnglishMuffin
Still Mildly Glowing
I can't believe they don't have a primary and secondary weapon. This is probably the worst thing ever. Ever FPS has this and even fallout, an rpg, had this.
This is fucking retarded. And medicine should effect how you use bandages and doctors bags and whatnot. Stimpaks should not be what they are in fallout 3, they should be what they were in fallout 1 and 2. This change just pisses me off.
It seems lik they are trying to make it just better than fallout:tactics at this point.
This is fucking retarded. And medicine should effect how you use bandages and doctors bags and whatnot. Stimpaks should not be what they are in fallout 3, they should be what they were in fallout 1 and 2. This change just pisses me off.
It seems lik they are trying to make it just better than fallout:tactics at this point.
EnglishMuffin said:
Not that I play FPSs beyond the System Shocks, but I thought you pretty much had every weapon matched to a key and switched between them at will, and/or rotated through the selection using the mouse wheel. In which case it makes little sense to have a "secondary" weapon. You just have the one you're using and the ones you're not using.