Belgium To Intoxicate Its Schoolchildren

Hey, we're going down a healthy road here!

Next up: let's ban plastic swords and pistols, because they encourage children to pillage and murder!

And toy cars - because they indoctrinate children to drive irresponibly!

Oh oh - and teddy bears, because they make children think that all animals are toys!

Hell, let's just lock our children inside and make them sit quietly on a chair all day - because that's what's best for them!

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And we should ban Fallout, because it encourages total nuclear war and random killing of rats.
Oh, and we should ban anime, because it encourages people to walk around with their hair ten feet in the air and a weird blonde glow around them, trying to shoot energy balls (or something) at things.
 
Next up: let's ban plastic swords and pistols, because they encourage children to pillage and murder!
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Yes, i agree with this.

And toy cars - because they indoctrinate children to drive irresponibly!
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Not ban them, however responsible parents should point out bad driving.

Oh oh - and teddy bears, because they make children think that all animals are toys!
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Where as this is a problem it also incourages children to love and care for nature, which is a good thing, no?
 
Richoid said:
Next up: let's ban plastic swords and pistols, because they encourage children to pillage and murder!
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Yes, i agree with this.
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You just don't *get* it, do you?

Do you know why children play with guns and swords? Or play 'doctor'? Or 'house'? Or whatever game children play?

Are you aware of the *purpose* playing has for the mental development of a child?
And what the result of banning all 'negative' toys would be?

Children need to vent their emotions and use their imagination with toy objects that mirror 'grown-up' life. A child that never played with toy guns in his life, has a bigger chance to grow up either deadly afraid or sickly obsessed with them. A child that never plays 'doctor', has a bigger chance of growing up either a frustrated virgin or a twisted pervert.

Playing has *purpose*. Banning stuff like table beer, chocolate cigarettes or toy swords because they 'enourage' bad behaviour will only leave those children with no surrogates for their instinctive urge for imitation but the 'real thing'.
 
Children need to vent their emotions and use their imagination with toy objects that mirror 'grown-up' life. A child that never played with toy guns in his life, has a bigger chance to grow up either deadly afraid or sickly obsessed with them. A child that never plays 'doctor', has a bigger chance of growing up either a frustrated virgin or a twisted pervert.
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Its true! Alec's parents never showed him that other people had feet insisting they visit the house wearing knee length boots! Now look at him!

Great post Jebus.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
Firstly i said nothing about doctors whatsoever.

Secondly the thing is, if there are not any guns or swords for the child to want to copy then the problem wont occur, this of course is wishful thinking, however if the parents enforce the idea the weapons are bad constantly then the child will not want to touch them. Oh and i do not see how being deadly afraid of guns is a bad thing as they are like…deadly...
 
Richoid said:
Firstly i said nothing about doctors whatsoever.

Secondly the thing is, if there are not any guns or swords for the child to want to copy then the problem wont occur, this of course is wishful thinking, however if the parents enforce the idea the weapons are bad constantly then the child will not want to touch them. Oh and i do not see how being deadly afraid of guns is a bad thing as they are like…deadly...
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It's called overprotective. The effect of being overprotective is that the child is later very, very afraid of a lot of things and is also socially scarred, since it never learned to really play with other children.

Banning fake swords and guns is silly. All children play with those, and almost all of those children end up completely normal later on in life. Playing with fake swords and guns has nothing to do with violent tendencies in later life.
 
It's called overprotective. The effect of being overprotective is that the child is later very, very afraid of a lot of things and is also socially scarred, since it never learned to really play with other children.
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What? I never said anything about not letting children play togther just not teaching them to kill people.

and almost all of those children end up completely normal later on in life.
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Thats the point im trying to make most, not all. Some will turn into murderers maybe if they were not told to murder people they would not be murderers?
 
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What? I never said anything about not letting children play togther just not teaching them to kill people.
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No, you said not letting them play with fake swords (and hence anything they could use to do this, which means...every somewhat elongated object) or any form of simulated violence, which pretty much discounts a lot of forms of playing and hence stunts the childs development.

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Thats the point im trying to make most, not all. Some will turn into murderers maybe if they were not told to murder people they would not be murderers?
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What? No-one ever told them to murder people, have you ever seen anyone go about and tell little children 'Go kill that little boy there!'
 
It's true. I remember the day my dad gave me the "murder lesson". He told me "son, you shouldn't kill people becuase killing is bad". Since then, i haven't killed anyone. Thanks dad!
 
No, you said not letting them play with fake swords (and hence anything they could use to do this, which means...every somewhat elongated object) or any form of simulated violence, which pretty much discounts a lot of forms of playing and hence stunts the childs development.
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Do you have any evidence that not letting children play with weapons stunts their growth?

What? No-one ever told them to murder people, have you ever seen anyone go about and tell little children 'Go kill that little boy there!'
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By giving them toy weapons they are inciting them to commit murder.
 
So, by letting kids play with plastic pistols you teach them to kill and their playing with plastic pistols will shape many of them into mass murderers? By God, what an excellent point! How foolish were all those sociologists, children psychologists and other experts for believing that issues like abuse or neglection are what causes problems in children's emotional and mental development, when they can all be conveniently attributed to the Plastic Toys of Evil and Moral Decay!

Your posts are beginning to give me a headache.
 
I never said that there were not other contributing factors to children becoming murderers, and i have never seen a sociologist dismiss my idea either…

Plastic Toys of Evil and Moral Decay!
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Not moral decay as they have been present for a long time but sometime society has disregarded.
 
Richoid said:
Do you have any evidence that not letting children play with weapons stunts their growth?
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Gerard Jones: Killing Monsters

Drawing on his experience as a parent and as a creator of children's cartoons, as well as interviews with dozens of psychologists and educators, Jones forcefully argues that violent video games, movies, music and comics provide a safe fantasy world within which children learn to become familiar with and control the frightening emotions of anger, violence and sexuality. He debunks studies linking violent media with violence in society and argues that children clearly understand the difference between pretend and reality.
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Just one of many recognized books

EDIT: fixing URL
 
Richoid said:
Do you have any evidence that not letting children play with weapons stunts their growth?
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It limits their creativity and their playing, so yes, it does. It's like little lions' cubs, they play roughly with eachother to discover boundaries of what they can and cannot do to eachother. It's also instinctual, it lets you vent some of the instincts that were shaped for hunting in a healthy way.
Besides that, do you have any kind of proof that letting them play with weapons makes them into killers? No? Then why are you requesting proof and demanding them to be banned because there's a negligibly small chance that isn't based on any kind of fact that that will work?

Well, shall we say it like this: abuse and neglect have been shown to be a significant part of murderers' backgrounds, so maybe that's the cause.


Richoid said:
By giving them toy weapons they are inciting them to commit murder.
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No, saying 'Kill the infidels' or 'Niggers deserve to die' is inciting people to murder. Giving them fake weapons so they can *vent* their anger isn't.

But hey, in the same reasoning Fallout should be banned since it encourages violence and killing people.
 
Sander said:
But hey, in the same reasoning Fallout should be banned since it encourages violence and killing people.
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So obviously, Richoid hates Fallout, Fallout fans and the Fallout community - and is only here to troll us about how evil and decadent we are.


Ban please.
 
That link to some Amazon book will not load...

Drawing on his experience as a parent and as a creator of children's cartoons, as well as interviews with dozens of psychologists and educators, Jones forcefully argues that violent video games, movies, music and comics provide a safe fantasy world within which children learn to become familiar with and control the frightening emotions of anger, violence and sexuality. He debunks studies linking violent media with violence in society and argues that children clearly understand the difference between pretend and reality.
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So your 'evidence' is no more than some random dudes opinion?

No, saying 'Kill the infidels' or 'Niggers deserve to die' is inciting people to murder. Giving them fake weapons so they can *vent* their anger isn't.
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But a fake weapon can be used as a real weapon to *vent* there anger, then that fake weapon can be replaced by a real weapon...
If any human being becomes accustomed to behaviour then they do it more and more and quickly become obsessive, not the other way around.
 
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