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Ok, who do I think is great and probably most important musically- at least for popular music?

Oldies-

Frank Sinatra- (yes, I know- I'm old. but Frankie still kicks).
Elvis- The king-
James Brown- the godfather of soul-
Beatles-
The Rolling Stones-


Harder Rock-
Led Zep
AC/DC
Guns r Roses

Other important acts-
Grateful Dead- ultimate jam band and best concerts
Bruce Springstein- Great music and excellent shows.
U2
Sting/The Police- come on, how many artists can have a 30 year career?
REM
The Clash
Beau Jocque and Zydeco High Rollers-
Queen
Big Bad Voodoo Daddy
Bob Marley and the Wailers
Steely Dan
Pearl Jam
Skank
Jimmy Buffet and the Coral Reefers
Neil Young
Jimi Hendrix


More, but that's all I can think of right now.
 
I was going to add the Ramones, but I don't listen to them that much. Sex Pistols, sure they were important for the entire punk scene, but they suck. Nirvana is over-rated and Kurt C. was a pussy to eat a shotgun.

I might have added Pink Floyd, but really I think they were overrated too. Though I have to admit I liked the old Van Halen quite a bit. Heavy Metal and Hard Rock made a mistake when it took itself too seriously.

I also admit, I like Nora Jones quite a bit, but Alanis Morisette was a bit too angry and not that good. There are a lot of good one hit wonders but they don't stack up. (Anyone ever listen to Blues Image?)

Oh, I forgot Squeeze. Definitely a good club band- much better than recorded. Jethro Tull- I gave them another listen- some great tunes but not enough. Did like Counting Crows for a while, Concrete Blonde.
 
welsh said:
Nirvana is over-rated and Kurt C. was a pussy to eat a shotgun.

Sorry to derail, but I strongly disagree on this. People commit suicide because they're so fucked in the head they lose the will to live, to preserve their own life, which is the primary drive of all life on the planet, from vegetable to animal. I don't see how things like courage or weakness come into play - when your mind is so deranged or confused that you willingly put a shotgun in your mouth and pull the trigger those concepts are kind of irrelevant. A pussy doesn't kill themselves, they go run and hide somewhere. To me it's like saying a paranoid schizophrenic is a pussy for avoiding reality by having delusions and psychotic episodes - it's a matter a mental derangement, not cowardice.
 
I really like Nirvana but it dissapoints me for someone whos rich, and young and makes popular music for a living to just commit suicide. Maybe his head was fucked up, but then again maybe he was just a big pussy.
 
[PCE said:
el_Prez]Maybe his head was fucked up, but then again maybe he was just a big pussy.

Fair enough. I just think that a pussy would hole himself up in his house and become a recluse, a non-pussy would say "Fuck this, this life sucks, I'm doing something else", while only a mental case would blow his head off. I can't picture a sane person, whether brave or a coward, sticking a shotgun down his throat.
 
Montez- ok, I am being insensitive. I have known a few people who have offed themselves and I should be more sympathetic. Don't get me wrong, I am. Hell I saw Virgin Suicides and read the Bell Jar. But more importantly I know how suicide has happened and how that affects not only the victims but everyone close to them. So yeah, be sensitive.

But it pisses me off.

Sure, there are plenty of people who get so damn depressed or despondent that all they want is a way out through suicide.

Accordingly, while we used to believe that suicide was a sin and a crime, now we think of it more as either a "cry for help" or symptomatic of a mental illness.

I don't buy all of that. I think for some people killing themselves is perceived as the right thing to do. Yes, the will to survive is a constant in life, but there have been plenty of cases were self-sacrifice happens for logical reasons.

However, I also think that most people who suffer depression or despondency are aware that help exists. If they know that they are thinking suicidal thoughts, they are probably smart enough to know that they can see a shrink about it and go into therapy. Even if it means taking a host of drugs, there are means to avoid suicide.

The question is whether or not he's strong enough to see that in himself and have the courage to check into therapy.

A paranoid shizophrenic is another matter- that's a mental illness in which the person may lack the capacity to find help. A person who is suffering depression or has become despondent has the choice to try to get out of it and the means exist by which such illnesses can be overcome.

Hiding out in a house and becoming a recluse is just stupid. But blowing your head off is also pretty fucking stupid when you could check into therapy.

But what also pisses me off is that here was a guy, very successful in his musical career, idolized by many, who didn't have to blow his head off. It pisses me off that he sets an example for others, and is idolized for his self sacrifice, and it pisses me off that he wasted away all he could have been and had and done. I mean really, get over yourself.

Too often suicide is just a pussy way of dealing with life. Fuck that. Reality check- Life is hard. Harder for some than for others, sure. Hell most people aren't fucking George Bush who had his life handed to him on a sliver platter but have to work hard and struggle to survive. Life is tough enough. If you want to show the world that you're brave than deal with it. Death is easy. Any asshole can kill themselves, it takes some one with a bit of fortitude to get past that self-destruction and live.

Sorry if this is coming off a a rant, and I know it's insensitive and uncarring and I apologize to everyone who feels insulted by this. Sorry. But really, this pisses me off to no end. I think about the people who mourn for the one who commits suicide, I think about the opportunities lost because of the wasted life, and I think about the selfishness of the act itself. Like I said, I know people who have done this, people who I was close to, so this is a bit personal for me. Again, sorry if I insulted anyone.
 
Malkavian said:
You know, Flock of Seagulls was a really good band.

No, really.

Next Malk begins to idolize Ah Ha and the Thompson Twins.

Although Big Country was pretty cool and I actually liked Wang Chung.
 
welsh said:

I didn't think you were being insensitive, Welsh, I'd just never understood why it was labeled the way it was. I appreciate your post, I'd never really thought of it from that perspective before, and I'm sorry if I inadvertently stressed you.
 
No worries bro. I know this is a sensitive subject for a lot of folks and my feeling on this are pretty strong. I should have been considerate.

What amazes me about suicide is how often it's chosen by young people as a way out. I think if you check the statistics, rates of suicide probably are high among adolescents and young adults-- before 30, and then they probably pick up with the senior citizens- for understandable reasons. For the teenagers and young adults it seems such a waste to throw away a life before you even started living it.
 
The thing about Tom Petty is that he markets himself as a good ole southern boy. But I think he comes from Florida (ok, so it's south) but spends most of his time in California.

CCR- "Born on a Bayou" "Proud Mary" were a California band.

Better southern rockers- Lynard Skynard.

I would also add Stevie Ray Vaughn for his guitar work.

Can't leave out Eric Clapton- What would the 70s be without Clapton.
 
He had a really severe stomach ailment. That is why he developed the heroin problem- he honestly was in constant pain.

And In Utero and Nevermind where both instant classics. All Apologies is the most approprite last song of a band ever.
 
King of Creation said:
Holy crap...I just heard Between the Buried and Me. They're new album is amazing. Of special interest is the song Mordecai. Its amazing. The guitar work extremely good. The band is unbelievably versatile. And, luckily for us, the band was kind enough to post an mp3 of Mordecai!
http://www.victoryrecords.com/sounds/btbam_camillarhodes.mp3
right click and save as.
Wow

:D

Fuck yeah, King. BTBAM is one of my favorite bands and I've had both the honor of booking them and playing with them. Extremely nice guys, and amazing musicians. However, they just lost both their second guitarist and their drummer...so they might not be around much longer.
 
the doors
pink floyd
syd barrett
king crimson
portishead
kyuss
moder jords massiva
primus
radiohead
tarwater
bob hund

then a couple of random albums that are incredible:
the pretty things : s.f. sorrow
roger waters : amused to death
love : forever changes
tony joe white : tony joe white
neutral milk hotel : in the aeroplane over the sea

at least - that's what comes to mind
 
Okay, first off, I think Nirvana was a great band, and that Kurt Cobain was not a pussy for killing himself, he probably had a load of problems.
BUT it was his life, and not yours. Let the guy decide for himself.
However, I also think that most people who suffer depression or despondency are aware that help exists. If they know that they are thinking suicidal thoughts, they are probably smart enough to know that they can see a shrink about it and go into therapy. Even if it means taking a host of drugs, there are means to avoid suicide.
This is simply not true. A lot of suicidal people have tried therapy, a lot of those suicidal have found that it helped them nothing, and most of those suicidal people are absolutely convinced that nothing will ever help them. They think suicide through and through and through, and they decide that it's the best way for them., and that no amount of therapy is going to help them. You're being too insensitive, and oversimplifying things here, welsh.

Now, for my favorites(keep in mind that I just listen to what I hear somewhere, I don't go around trying out completely unkown stuff, and I don't know half of the bands posted here):
Metallica-Old stuff
Nirvana
The Neptunes/N*E*R*D
 
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