Bethesda announces another E3 press conference

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  1. Riven326

    Riven326 First time out of the vault

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    Dec 2, 2015
    Apparently those who already own Skyrim and all DLC or the Legendary Edition get a free upgrade in October. That's cool, at least I don't have to put more money into a five year old game.

    As for Morrowind, I think Pete is right. "What the hell..." really would be the reaction from most fans who never played Morrowind. Sort of like if they decided to remaster Fallout 1&2 and put them on PS4 and Xbox, people would react negatively and wonder why those games are so different from the modern ones.

    That said, I don't think it's a good excuse to not make a proper remastering of the game. It just means you have to stick with the original vision and simply improve upon it by upgrading visuals, UI, and so forth. Console players probably wouldn't dig it. I'm sure that's why they went with Skyrim; it's still fresh in people's minds and it's gameplay systems are still considered modern enough for the average player.
     
  2. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    I think what Pete Hines is doing there is confusing outdated with old school when it comes to his opinion on remastering morrowind.

    I think a lot of people confuse "old school" with "outdated". I don't believe the two Are always one And the same. I see fallout 1, fallout 2, (and to a lesser extent) morrowind as "old school" games. Old school games are still enjoyable due to great game design that still holds up today. There are great games that have outdated aspects to them (see Resident Evil with it's tank controls) but ultimately the player Can adjust to an old school game's more outdated aspects. However an outdated game... Well the best example I have is fallout 4. Everything about it is already unintuitive and outdated. The dialogue wheel was an already outdated choice because there are better alternatives (see the old school dialogue box.) The settlement building is clunker than it should be (see http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/36922/) the weapon customization is unrealistic and mostly a chore. All of these things contribute to a game that certainly won't hold up Well in the future or become outdated.

    I hope this post made sense. I tend to have trouble expressing complex thoughts and tend to ramble.
     
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  3. mithrap

    mithrap Ring a ding-ding, baby

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    May 17, 2016
    Well, respect to you. The Fallout reddit turns into an interesting place, when you start to ask embarassing questions, like a simple "why ?". Never posted anything, but my text about the 20 biggest lore inconsistencies has been copied/pasted there, and the OP got burned harder than an orphanage near a temple of R'hllor.

    You know what's even better ? The fact that for Bethesda too, it's free. This remaster didn't cost them a single penny. It was part of Fallout 4's development, and as such, it was already profitable before F4 even launched, thanks to the taxes incentives. In other words, they'll be cashing a training prototype.

    Now, it looks nice, and I'm glad that it will finally be a 64bits thingy, don't get me wrong. It's just... A strange business practice.
     
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  4. Cethlenn

    Cethlenn First time out of the vault

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    Jun 13, 2016
    They'd probably ruin it somehow. I would love to have Morrowind with better combat though...
     
  5. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    You can tell already how, from people saying 'aliens' like it's part of Fallout, and also this guy talking as if Vaults are so easy to build, they never pay attention to the lore nor play the older Fallout(s). If they did, well, my point stands that they never pay attention.

    Please don't do that, it's bad for your health, and only invoke the dumbest of dumbasses.


    Popcorn, popcorn for everyone!
     
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  6. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish ...The pain of being dead...

    Sep 11, 2010
    Pete Hines sound nervous as fuck.

    There are mobile game of the year awards? Srsly?

    Did... Did the Elder Scrolls Legends trailer had a live hic-up? That's gotta be embarassing.

    Does Toddie-boi look diseased? Anyone else seeing what I'm seeing here? Shouldn't he be on the stage instead of Pete?

    Hang on, Fallout Shelter got new content? I... I did not know that... Does it make the game less monotomous?

    Are you kidding me? It took them 'this' fucking long to get out a PC version? Man I can't stand exclusivity, if you develop a game on PC then you better damn well release a version for the PC the very day you release it for whatever console you've intended it for. You don't get a cookie for what you should have done in the first place Bethesda.

    Elder Scrolls Online. How many people are still playing that? http://steamcharts.com/app/306130#All This can't be right... Wait, what, at its peak there was only 8,572 players? Really? I mean that doesn't count in console players but whatever, on average it's like 3000 players on Steam. That ain't good, is it? I figured they'd just quietly shy away from TESO but I guess they're keeping it going for whatever reason. I doubt it is as profitable as it'd be to just create a new cashcow game in the veins of FNV but less competent.
     
  7. tekhedd

    tekhedd Hoarding ammo IS gameplay

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    Oct 28, 2008
    Sounds right to me. I have no love for their products, but the dev teams are doing fine, delivering exactly what is specified by the marketing research, with exactly the level of quality specified. The fact that the games are kind of sad and the end users do most of the testing is very much a management decision, but there's some good work in there. It is a shame that so much good developer horsepower is spent making mediocre products, but that's life in the world of humans, and always have been.

    Speaking as a professional developer, I would recommend people think twice before condemning the grunts to the same fate as management. Speaking as a Fallout fan, feel free to hate whoever you want. No difference to me. :)
     
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  8. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Oh well. Here we go again :D
     
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  9. Akratus

    Akratus Bleep bloop.

    May 14, 2011
    Oh man, that's funny.
     
  10. Millim

    Millim The Big Straight Orderite

    Oct 13, 2010
    This is my go to response from now on.
    Yeah, Bethesda needs a change of Management, not devs.
    The devs are doing a fine job, it's just another bit of work for them, but those at the top making the big ideas, yeah, they are the problem.

    But looking at videos, it appears that even Todd Howard is suffering from Post-Fallout Depression.
     
  11. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish ...The pain of being dead...

    Sep 11, 2010
    Elaborate on the second paragraph.
     
  12. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    What are you some kind of pseudo-sadist? Ain't no sense in relishing in that man's depression.
     
  13. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish ...The pain of being dead...

    Sep 11, 2010
    Not relishing. Just curious. In the e3 video he looked rather sickly.
     
  14. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    Well, basing what I thought about the devs on what Mr Fish said on the other thread, either they need a change in management or just gtfo of BGS. Considering their top brass are drowning in money, I don't think there would be any change in management soon, unless something really, really bad happens (for instances, the next batch of DLCs for Fallout 4 and/or the remastered Skyrim for current gen are not received well at all, and then/or the modding community decided enough is enough). More realistic solution to the whole affair is for the devs at BGS decided they had enough in having a hand in making mediocre product while the likes of CDPR or hell, closer to them which are id Software and Arkane Studio* (*to be proven when Dishonored 2 and Prey reboot release), making top-notch product that's obviously up to today's standard. When that happens, they leave and go freelance and look for developer studios/groups that obviously need their hands and would appreciate them and, in turn, the audience will appreciate them far more than BGS product could ever receive.

    Also, it's kind of weird that Todd didn't make an appearance in this year's E3, when obviously he's far more popular, while for Pete Hines, hell even the most hardcore Bethesda fans are kind of still pissed off at Hines's dumbass statement on Twitter.

    (On topic of modding community shenanigans, it's amazing how many people out loud stated how if modders 'pissed off' Bethesda, they are going to pull the plug for mod support, when it truth it was the complete opposite. Bethesda's games are only popular because of mods, and to say otherwise means they obviously haven't played enough video games to make an informed statement.

    "Modders should not be afraid of Bethesda, Bethesda should be afraid of modders.")
     
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  15. Millim

    Millim The Big Straight Orderite

    Oct 13, 2010
    Yeah, he just looked worn out, ill even.
    And considering he hasn't really made many major appearances since the Game Awards, where his game lost GOTY to Witcher 3 (in all honesty, to be beaten out to Witcher 3 probably broke Todd's heart).
    Also, the bad response Wasteland Workshop had on PC, an dthe fact that there are two more Workshop DLCs.
    Also the mess of Console Mods and the whole issue with Skyrim getting a remaster...

    Something tells me the weight of his own fans is crushing him... and I'm not sure if he is to blame this time.
    Looking at it, it might seem clear that Zenimax has Bethesda on puppet strings.
    I mean, one second from looking at Todd, maybe he could have just been ill, but it feels like even if he doesn't want to be doing this anymore.
    It's Fallout post release, and he is depressed because if it all backfires, he'll be in the line of fire.
    Therefore it's Post-Fallout Depression.
     
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  16. eissa

    eissa Altáriel, Lady of Radiant Garland

    Jan 7, 2016
    feeling sorry for todd, at least his sugestion to id tech make DOOM great again
     
  17. Kohno

    Kohno Water Chip? Been There, Done That

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    Jul 30, 2009
    Don't sympathize with the corporates. They've dug their own hole (if there even is one).

    Todd and Pete both look stressed and bored (like the games they make), but they're probably just feeling stuffed for all the money they've made.
     
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  18. Lucas9

    Lucas9 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jan 16, 2016
    He's got the chem whore addict look to him.
     
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  19. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    Todd is probably just throwing Pete under the bus by making him represent for Bethesda and receive all the negativity while Todd hides in the back shitting his pants.
     
  20. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Seems like an (understandable) dick move.