Bethesda hunting down Fallout 3 leak

[Sorrow]

Yeah. I do love Fallout 1 and 2 a lot, despite the flaws. I have learned to ignore them.

And I'm trying to mod them out . Some are pretty ease to remove like overpowered people, but others will have to stay. Too bad Fallout 1 doesn't have as advanced modding community as Infinity Engine - they have a lot of scripters, dialogue writers, tool makers, etc.

 

[Brother None]

You think Fallout 3 will be a great game because you think Bethesda is a great studio that makes great games?

Ok...that's not really an argument, is it? It's an opinion.

 

[Mane]

You think Fallout 3 will be a great game because you think Bethesda is a great studio that makes great games?

Ok...that's not really an argument, is it? It's an opinion.

Precisely, but I've pointed that out twice and am evidently a flamer.

 

[RedMenaceNow]

Well...I don't know what else I can base this on. I think this whole topic of "it sucks/it's great" is conjecture and guessing and opinions, is it not? Especially since no one here has played the game through, unless they're a filthy pirate.

I guess If I had to make an argument for why Bethesda is great I would reiterate: they make huge, epic games that are rivaled in quality and scope by very few other studios. While not everyone cares for their product, which is normal, I think they do at least deserve a great deal of respect for being so outstanding in such a competitive field, and bringing a product that endures through the years. Oblivion is still being enjoyed by many, and the fact that it still is being modded and tweaked is a testament to the size of the game. I think that if Bethesda, or any studio, tried to make a game "perfect' (ie., the way every single modder thinks it should be), they'd still be working on their first game.

So, to my second point, "I think I'll like FO3", I can't imagine any other studio (possibly BioWare) that I would want to pick up this franchise. I have been wanting more of the FO world for a while, and I'm very excited to get it, and I'm glad that it is being handled by a studio that has the expertise. And based on the footage I've seen, and the fact that every single person who has played it says they want more, yes, I think it will be great.

 

[Brother None]

Precisely, but I've pointed that out twice and am evidently a flamer.

Pointing this out is fine. Pointing it out and supporting the point by calling the other party a kid or unintelligent is flaming. If your point is solid, you shouldn't need personal attacks to support it.

I think this whole topic of "it sucks/it's great" is conjecture and guessing and opinions, is it not?

I think this is where you went off track: if you like the game, fine, like it, I don't really care and I doubt anyone here does.

If you actually want to argue that the game looks good, you have to come up with arguments. If you want to like the game based purely on Bethesda's track record that's fine, go ahead. If you want to come here and tell us the game is great, you're going to have to argue why.

I can point out the graphics are sub-par, with stiff animations, unconvincing dialogue screens, skating NPCs, I can argue the dialogue looks bad, with repetitive options, horrible voice-acting and unconvincing writing, I can point out the plot is a horrible mess that includes elements that have nothing to do with Fallout's setting. I can point out Fallout as a franchise is based on pen and paper emulation and true morally ambiguous choice and consequences, and that Fallout 3 contains nothing of the former and scant little of the latter. If I'm allowed spoilers, I can flesh out and build up all these points to make an argument as to why I dislike this game.

All you have offered is "I like it because I like Bethesda" coupled with "You can't judge because it's not out yet". Fine. We don't really care about Bethesda either way, tho', 'cept the TES fans amongst us who hate what they've done to the franchise, but we do care about their failures regarding Fallout's core concept. And we don't judge the game as a whole, we judge what we know, and it looks bad.

Separate two things, please: I'm not going to object to you liking the game for your own personal reasons. But that's a whole different ballgame from convincing others of your opinion, for which you have brought forth zero arguments.

and the fact that every single person who has played it says they want more, yes, I think it will be great.

Every single person? No.

How about CanardPC's current cover item on Fallout 3, that reads "We had faith in it, but it's a FAIL".

 

[RedMenaceNow]

1. I can point out the graphics are sub-par, with stiff animations, unconvincing dialogue screens, skating NPCs, I can argue the dialogue looks bad, with repetitive options, horrible voice-acting and unconvincing writing,

2. I can point out the plot is a horrible mess that includes elements that have nothing to do with Fallout's setting. I can point out Fallout as a franchise is based on pen and paper emulation and true morally ambiguous choice and consequences, and that Fallout 3 contains nothing of the former and scant little of the latter.

1. As compared to what? And based on what? A few videos and screens? And as far as writing, it looks to me like it beats the crap out of most RPGs, but many people would argue that JRPGs have good dialogue and story-I disagree. Seems like opinion to me, friend-o.

2. Please don't spoil the game for me. I thought that the main plot is still secret, or at least not out in the mainstream. I'll reserve judgment on it once I go through all of it, but from what I've seen, there seems to be some decent choice and morality play in there. And as far as PnP emulation, come on...it's sooo many years later. A reactionary response is not really appropriate in such a dynamic and evolving field as video games. Welcome change, sirs.

And I guess not Every Single Person liked it. But the overwhelming majority did. And you can't really make something everyone will like.

So, I guess the 2 points to argue here are "Bethesda is among the most elite developers in the world, and even though not everyone likes them, they make games that stand out in their genre" and "While Fallout 3 is not the same as 1 and 2, it is a continuation of the franchise, and with so many years, one should naturally expect a certain evolution, so full opinion is best reserved after full exploration".

 

[Ausir]

1. As compared to what? And based on what? A few videos and screens? And as far as writing, it looks to me like it beats the crap out of most RPGs, but many people would argue that JRPGs have good dialogue and story-I disagree. Seems like opinion to me, friend-o.

Well, videos and screens are pretty good material for judging the graphics, don't you think? If anything, I expect the actual game to look worse than in the officially released screenshots.

 

[Tagaziel]

1. As compared to what?

Mass Effect, the Witcher, hell, even Gothic 3.

Titles with good to awesome graphics, with great animations and HD textures.

And based on what? A few videos and screens?

Videos of the entire gameplay provided by pirates and touched up promotional videos and stills from Bethesda.

You know something's wrong when even doctored images look mediocre.

And as far as writing, it looks to me like it beats the crap out of most RPGs, but many people would argue that JRPGs have good dialogue and story-I disagree. Seems like opinion to me, friend-o.

We saw the writing in the gameplay. Compared to Mass Effect and the Witcher, it's like reading a fanfic.

2. Please don't spoil the game for me. I thought that the main plot is still secret, or at least not out in the mainstream. I'll reserve judgment on it once I go through all of it, but from what I've seen, there seems to be some decent choice and morality play in there.

Again, live gameplay streams.

The choices are very primitive and superficial. Not to mention that TES' horrible "We Forgive You After 72 Hours" system is in effect.

And the plot is known now. And it's atrociously stupid.

And as far as PnP emulation, come on...it's sooo many years later.

So you're saying that a world dynamically reacting to the actions of the player like a Game Master is passe?

A reactionary response is not really appropriate in such a dynamic and evolving field as video games. Welcome change, sirs.

Change for the sake of change is not change, it's stupidity.

And I guess not Every Single Person liked it. But the overwhelming majority did. And you can't really make something everyone will like.

Get any source? So far only reviewer whores are wetting themselves.

So, I guess the 2 points to argue here are "Bethesda is among the most elite developers in the world,

Hardly. A majority of BethSoft developer crew is inexperienced and their only major project before FO3 was Oblivion. Hardly "elite". Unless you mean it in an ironic way.

and even though not everyone likes them, they make games that stand out in their genre"

As incomplete games, yes.

and "While Fallout 3 is not the same as 1 and 2, it is a continuation of the franchise,

With such a drastic departure from it's predecessors, it's a spin-off, not a sequel.

and with so many years, one should naturally expect a certain evolution, so full opinion is best reserved after full exploration".

Wrong. This has been discussed to death before.

Pray tell, why is a true-to-the roots dynamic RPG not viable nowdays?

 

[Ausir]

Compared to Mass Effect and the Witcher, it's like reading a fanfic.

The Witcher is like reading a Sapkowski fanfic too.

 

[RedMenaceNow]

Well, I guess it's gonna suck then! Any alternative games I could play? I just got some FO 2 mods and geez...I mean...they are just terrible. You wanna talk bad writing, try those.

I guess Fallout is done as a franchise then. Que mal.

 

[RedMenaceNow]

And PS, I liked Mass Effect too, but it doesn't look graphically better than FO3 to me. That game had one bad landscape with three building stretched over a dozen planet. Well, I guess the ground was a different color in some. The enemies were pretty retarded, and it had it's share of groan-inducing dialogue. Still loved it, tho!

 

[Pope Viper]

RedMenace - Use thed "edit" function. We don't allow doubleposting.

 

[Tagaziel]

Compared to Mass Effect and the Witcher, it's like reading a fanfic.

The Witcher is like reading a Sapkowski fanfic too.

Apples and oranges. You can't compare such drastically different mediums.

Well, I guess it's gonna suck then! Any alternative games I could play? I just got some FO 2 mods and geez...I mean...they are just terrible. You wanna talk bad writing, try those.

Make a better one then.

That said, do try Arcanum. It's also an RPG, has real consequences and choices and is all around awesome. If you're put off by graphics, you can always try Gothics if you haven't already.

I guess Fallout is done as a franchise then. Que mal.

It died the day Van Buren was cancelled.

And PS, I liked Mass Effect too, but it doesn't look graphically better than FO3 to me.

I heard glasses are on a discount lately in your area.

That game had one bad landscape with three building stretched over a dozen planet. Well, I guess the ground was a different color in some. The enemies were pretty retarded, and it had it's share of groan-inducing dialogue. Still loved it, tho!

It's still of better quality than FO3.

 

[Ausir]

Apples and oranges. You can't compare such drastically different mediums.

Eh? You were the one to compare a game to a fanfic (different mediums).

 

[Tagaziel]

Apples and oranges. You can't compare such drastically different mediums.

Eh? You were the one to compare a game to a fanfic (different mediums).

No, I compared the writing quality in FO3 to a fanfic. Reading comprehension, translator boy.

Mane - Didn't you just get a strike for this? And you continue? Tisk, tisk, sir. I feel offended.

And I think you mistake my light hearted sense of humor for childishness. But I wouldn't want to argue semantics with some one as smart and adult as you.

Also, grew up in Russia and Canada, so I have little American education in me. But you keep making these assumptions....

And please, stay on topic and recommend some alternative Fallout games, since not-Fallout 3 will suck?

Okay, that's it.

Don't flamebait Mane, here's the strike you worked hard for.

 

[Mane]

Mass Effect is actually a very good return to the roots of gaming where developers actually cared enough to raise a franchise from it's infancy and see it through to completion. Bioware in many ways is the hope of many gamers like myself that there is at least one game developer to represent us and hold true to developing quality rather than cashing in. If they can stay successful then perhaps more will emulate the mold they remain cast in, though it's hardly an original mold, they do seem the only ones left truly cast in it.

At least as a cohesive entity. The Fallout alumni are a good example as well some at first coming together in Black Isle, then perhaps scattering some towards Troika due perhaps to difficulties under Interplay's control of Black Isle, and now with both of those house no longer in existance many have found shelter in Obsidian - who I also have high hopes for.

That's a pedigree, it's a pedigree Bethesda no longer really has.

Perhaps if the modders who worked on Morrowind and Oblivion did so out of love for more of the same and to expand the beloved world as most modder here attempt to do with the Fallout 2 engine, then that would mean something, but the vast breadth of Oblivion modders seem to be devoted to cleaning up or adding in what Bethesda should have.

That says something too about a game, Is it so good you want more of the same? Or are there just obvious holes you really feel the need to fill in and share with others to save their experience as well?

 

[Karak]

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Man, I read through that lengthy post and then...

But I want a lunch box.

How disappointing!!...Oh well, there's all sorts of strange reasons made by people why one would shell out money for FO3 so I really shouldn't be surprised...

 

[Ausir]

No, I compared the writing quality in FO3 to a fanfic. Reading comprehension, translator boy.

Just like I've compared the writing quality of TW to a Sapkowski fanfic (actually, I've read better Sapkowski fanfics than that).

 

[Wooz]

To be honest, Sapkowski's own writing isn't that awesome, either.

 

[thefalloutfan]

It seems the seeders are spreading...

Over on a totally unrelated-to-FO3 forum, some guys got their hands on the leaked version. I wonder what Beth would do if they knew about it, since one of them posted on the forum about his adventures.

Btw, this may be of interest to you:

Really is like Oblivion with guns...and insects, 'big' insects

Reminds me alot of Oblivion anyway

I guess the VAT system stops it from being a full-scale fps/rpg but thats just what I think.

FFS, and I try to be optimistic. He's not even into RPGs.

Oh well. Anyway, I do hope they catch the person who leaked the game.