Bethesda moves to rescind FOOL license

100LBSofDogmeat said:
MrBumble said:
It's a sad situation, but I understand Bethesda's position too...even if I hate that it's only a matter of weeks before Fallout belongs 100% to them.
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Bethsoft will never "own" Fallout, even if it's just in my own mind. Just because they paid money for the IP paperwork doesn't make it their's. It will always be Black Isle's (R.I.P) and ours.

It's like "owning" property in the United States, you never really own it because you're always paying property tax (rent) to keep it, lest they take it back from you.

Besides, I'm kind of sick of all these people raping and marketing our memories... especially when they have no regard for them at all.
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That is why I am happy that the things I am emotionally invested in (relationships, politics, cooking) cannot be copywrited. Products, such as a game, will never love you back or care what you feel. And people will never "own" more than what they bought and what they created while using it. Companies cannot take your copy or delete your save files, but if you want to influence the direction the IP takes you better get your first job in the industry soon.
 
yes, but its more about the creativity behind Fallout, and even quite a lot of "die hard" fans admit that Fallout 3 is compared to older RPGs (not just Fallout 1/2) in content and gameplay simplified, if that is a good or bad thing is another question. Though for a RPG wich want to put a meaning behind the "role playing" simplificiation isnt ineherently a good thing.

What is the value Bethesda gives to Fallout ? Is it a updated engine (though the gameembrio engine isnt really thaaat up to date anymore ... to be more accurate)? More design and new "toys" for the gamers like a auto axe and super super hyper plasma rifle? Or did they gave the game completely new powerfull factions, story elements, intelligent plots etc.? Did they actualy enhanced the gameplay?

It is no coincidence that people not only in THIS communit (NMA) which know about F1 and F2 say that Fallout 3 is in many parts just a recycled Fallout 1/2 with Oblivion mechanics under its engine. Enclave, Brotherhood, Vaults, strange Water quest (that doesnt even makes sense in the first place ...) and a lot more.

Bethesda may "own" Fallout. But they do not have the creativity. Almost nothing "new" they have added to the game is really a creative work. So ... I think it has some value when people say that even if Bethesda payed for it, they still dont own the "soul" of Fallout either cause they dont know (understand) it or dont care about it.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
That's how business works.
Don't like it, don't buy it. Tell other people not to buy it.
Eventually it will go away. (See: New Coke, Ford Pinto)

If you buy their shit, you really have no right to complain because you're responsible for companies like Bethesda continuing to make shit games.
It's that simple.

Some of you would've actually bought an Interplay MMO I'm sure. What you'd be expecting outof it I can't say. But just like picking the drunk up off the floor, by giving Herve money you're giving your tacit approval of his actions.
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I agree, but it's not quite that simple. People have been so heavily programmed by subliminals and mass-hypnosis, that their conscious rational minds are imprisoned by their sub/unconscious minds. Until they can snap themselves out of their hypnosis, they will be unable to make conscious, reasoned decisions. All the advertiser/politician needs to do is use the right keyword, phrase, or image to invoke the desired response.
 
Bethesda had its last chance with fallout 3.
They screwed up oblivion. Strike 1.
Fucked fallout 3. Strike 2.
No more Bethesda games unless they radically change staff and design principals.
Because it would be illogical to assume that the products remain the same when people change and even the fundmental design philosophy changes.
But as of now :
No bethesda games.
Unless i hear good things about it from my trusted sources.

And P2P and F2P MMOs suck. Griiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind. Griiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind more than a stripper after getting 200$ note.
 
Patton89 said:
And P2P and F2P MMOs suck. Griiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind. Griiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind more than a stripper after getting 200$ note.
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Yeah, no MMO ever held my attention for more than a week, which is nice since most of them are free for a week. When I heard about FO:OL I figured "I will be surprised if this is what gets me playing MMO games".
 
People have been so heavily programmed by subliminals and mass-hypnosis, that their conscious rational minds are imprisoned by their sub/unconscious minds. Until they can snap themselves out of their hypnosis, they will be unable to make conscious, reasoned decisions. All the advertiser/politician needs to do is use the right keyword, phrase, or image to invoke the desired response.
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Bethesda : scratching the lowest common denominator's ass.
:bliss induced drool:

But even this phenomenon has a threshold. Just as Morrowind burned off the Daggerfall fans, and Oblivion burned off the Morrowind fans, and Fallout 3 burned off the Fallout 1 & 2 fans.
Most people are smart enough to not get burned the 2nd or 3rd time (I'm told that I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt too much though).

Case in point:
Patton89 said:
Bethesda had its last chance with fallout 3.
They screwed up oblivion. Strike 1.
Fucked fallout 3. Strike 2.
No more Bethesda games unless they radically change staff and design principals.
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But no matter how many existing fans they burn off, there always seems to be a fresh crop of new green peas only too eager to line up for their next offering in their crusade to castrate RPG franchises.

It like Woody says in Dazed and Confused:
That's what I love about these high school girls man. I get older they stay the same age.
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Cimmerian Nights, I love your posts.
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Keeping egging me on like that and I'm likely to Roshambo myself right off this board. :mrgreen:
 
Bethesda pretty much stabbed interplay in the back after IP sold FO to them except for FOOL Bethesda are greed bastards, Also one of Bethesda's devs insulted blizzard for not making SC2 first person, SC2 will be a smash hit and Bethesda could learn from people like blizzard infact i wish blizzard had the rights to FO at least they know how to bring back old 2d games in today's 3d market with out ruining them.
 
Bethesda learned that it's easier to make soso games by soso people and hire good speaker to sell it than to make real effort in creating something worthy.
They are sophisticated and cynical more like a group of politicians than game developer. When it comes to re-election they sell new bs to people and most of people belive it once again (cause actually what alternatives they have?).

Patton89 said:
Bethesda had its last chance with fallout 3.
They screwed up oblivion. Strike 1.
Fucked fallout 3. Strike 2.
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I would say they struck third time with Fallout 3 DLCs.
 
Well, when you sell your IP's to other companies, you shouldn't whine when they fuck you over for it.

Serves Interplay right for selling off FO to Bethsoft in the first place.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
But no matter how many existing fans they burn off, there always seems to be a fresh crop of new green peas only too eager to line up for their next offering in their crusade to castrate RPG franchises.
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There is a high rate of turn over in the video game audience, but I think that Beth does keep a decent amount of their TES fanbase. Sure, you will always see people complaining on the internet (there are huge petitions concerning the color scheme in Diablo 3), but ultimately, you won't find a game that is more similar to Morrowind than Oblivion. Customers that want something like that don't really have anywhere else to go.

rcorporon said:
Well, when you sell your IP's to other companies, you shouldn't whine when they fuck you over for it.
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Yeah, I wouldn't even say that Beth is fucking them over. Beth bought the full rights two years ago with the condition that IP would essentially be their first customer by obtaining the rights to make an MMO. If they are exercising a shit-or-get-off-the-pot clause appropriately, then they are just being financially responsible.
 
There is a high rate of turn over in the video game audience, but I think that Beth does keep a decent amount of their TES fanbase. Sure, you will always see people complaining on the internet (there are huge petitions concerning the color scheme in Diablo 3), but ultimately, you won't find a game that is more similar to Morrowind than Oblivion.
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Fallout 3 is as much like Oblivion as MW or any Fallout game for that matter. They all display the nu-Bethesda trademark of bowing to trendy gimmicks instead of having solid RPG gameplay. They're trend whores. There's no coherent RPG design philosophy from one game to the next. They start each game tabula rasa - and populate it with whatever cool, shiny gimmicks that they can. That there is a new crop of those too stupid to enjoy solid design and instead just moo at graphics and shallow gameplay doesn't legitimize them as RPG developers.

And if all Diablo fans have to bitch about is a color scheme - I think they are in pretty good shape. There's a series who's gameplay is consistant with the series and I don't see turnover effecting them. Total War. Civ. There's lots of series, that you know, when they use the name of the series, they tend to imply those same elements, as the initial game defines the standard of quality, general gameplay, and fan expectations. Bethesda panders down to the lowest of the low for no other reason than for optimal market saturation.

If someone doesn't care to follow the established or give a logical improvement upon it , then I wonder why turnover would be an issue?

Customers that want something like that don't really have anywhere else to go.
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That people play Bethesda games because they're only AAA-"RPG" game out at the time is not indicative of how good they really are. Is it?

Bethpologism.
 
rcorporon said:
Well, when you sell your IP's to other companies, you shouldn't whine when they fuck you over for it.

Serves Interplay right for selling off FO to Bethsoft in the first place.
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Yep, they get what they deserve for selling it off and giving themselves the rights to the MMO with financial requirements that they were going to have a hell of a time meeting.
 
well I think fans of the IP still have the right to complain. The company that sold it of course not.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
That people play Bethesda games because they're only AAA-"RPG" game out at the time is not indicative of how good they really are. Is it?
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Well, you can make your own judgment about how good the game is. I'm just saying that they probably don't "burn off" all of the TES fans when they release a sequel. The games are pretty similar.
 
Dionysus said:
Well, you can make your own judgment about how good the game is. I'm just saying that they probably don't "burn off" all of the TES fans when they release a sequel. The games are pretty similar.
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They burn off a fair number of them and not all of the people that they burn off are hardcore fans. Back in the days of Morrowind (before I knew what TES was or who Bethesda were) a couple of my friends borrowed a copy of the game and hated it. They loved Daggerfall but the combination of bugs and changes made it unenjoyable for them.
 
Dionysus said:
Cimmerian Nights said:
That people play Bethesda games because they're only AAA-"RPG" game out at the time is not indicative of how good they really are. Is it?
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Well, you can make your own judgment about how good the game is. I'm just saying that they probably don't "burn off" all of the TES fans when they release a sequel. The games are pretty similar.
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Considering how close Fallout 3 is in its mechanics to Oblivion, its no surprise actualy that so many enjoy it somewhat. Not all of course, but that has more to do with the fact that some just love it more to club monsters endless times with a mace instead shooting their heads endless times with a rifle. But actualy the mechanics behind it are pretty similar. And the way how you explore the world and quests works too (which is why Fallout 3 falls so short as RPG actualy ...)
 
if Beth are such big Fallout fans, why are they giving the original developers so much shit and treating them like crap?
 
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