Bethesda/Obsidian

[uk_john]

@Llamalords - we'll see, won't we? Alpha Protocol; will giver us a good idea.....

 

[DarkCorp]

@Llamalords

Trolling

But I am in a good mood so I will feed you.

Uh, this is NO MUTANTS ALLOWED. Most of the folks here know what they want in Fallout and it wasn't F3. Like I told Adamguy61, would you like it if we told you to eat shit and like it?

I and others here have also pointed out exactly what we do not like about F3. Its great you like F3, but its kind of stupid to come here and talk shit, then expect us to lap it up.

Throwing a fit? Complaining about valid problems is not throwing a fit. If anything, were just not that adept at licking boots as some others out there. If theres something good about it, well say so. I loved Daggerfall and Morrowind. But if there are glaring problems, we will point it out (like the inane ending of F3 with radiation and how the ending was totally half-assed compared to what was done easily 10 years ago.

 

[Sephis]

What no Fallout 3's ending was totally good. Lets ignore the fact Charon is immune to radiation and is my slave and wouldn't go FIX IT.

 

[Llamalords]

@Llamalords

Trolling

But I am in a good mood so I will feed you.

Uh, this is NO MUTANTS ALLOWED. Most of the folks here know what they want in Fallout and it wasn't F3. Like I told Adamguy61, would you like it if we told you to eat shit and like it?

I and others here have also pointed out exactly what we do not like about F3. Its great you like F3, but its kind of stupid to come here and talk shit, then expect us to lap it up.

Throwing a fit? Complaining about valid problems is not throwing a fit. If anything, were just not that adept at licking boots as some others out there. If theres something good about it, well say so. I loved Daggerfall and Morrowind. But if there are glaring problems, we will point it out (like the inane ending of F3 with radiation and how the ending was totally half-assed compared to what was done easily 10 years ago.

If saying factual things to all that bullshit he said is trolling then you've you live in a very sheltered world. I didn't say I liked Bethesda once in the comment, I didn't even mention that I liked fallout 3. You were led to the assumption I did because you didn't read ANYTHING I said. But alright I'll go back under my bridge. Trolololololololo- I mean. No,

 

[Jax Sparrow]

@ Tyr%$&* or whatever your name was what gave you the idea that FoT is a flaw ... this is a very goon example that we don't hate games produced by other teams we just hate shitty games, we don't hate obsidian or bethsoft we hate F3 (or at least a I do, sorry no offence to people that disagree)

I liked fallout 3 AS A GAME because I find it fairly easy, simple and non committing I liked it to the extent that I think the game is good enough for the time that it requires. On the other hand I will say that I think that f3 sux mad cox AS A FALLOUT GAME.

I am not saying black isle and interplay are gods, and I am not saying bethsoft sux, but I DID LIKE the bugs the original fallout games on behalf of myself and my brother I would say that we enjoyed the bugs in F1, F2 and FoT, many will disagree, but that my personal opinion

I got what you wanted to say and i still think F3 sux mad cox AS A FALLOUT game and there is absolutely nothing that can change my mind about that. I really don't understand why do F3 fans keep passin' their shit to old school Fallout players and seek acceptance and recognition?

PS: I am ready to agree with almost everybody if you give me a legitimate reason.

 

[DarkCorp]

If saying factual things to all that bullshit he said is trolling then you've you live in a very sheltered world.

I don't give a crap about what you said to uk_john.

I didn't say I liked Bethesda once in the comment

Bethesda is a famous Gaming/Publishing company and makes awesome games

I didn't even mention that I liked fallout 3

The fact is every Fallout is a good game

More like did you bother to read your own comments?

Now please apply the above quotes to my post, again, if you bothered to read it.

1. You come here sounding like a Beth fanboy.

That might not be trolling, I don't know.

2. You and Adamguy61, like your other ilk that have come before, proceed to tell us how wrong we are and how we should all just eat shit and smile.

This sure sounds like trolling to me.

Sorry, unlike you folks, not all of us think that ALL the Fallout games were great and how that is a FACT. FBOS was shit, I don't eat shit. F3 I thought was shit too ( I mean afterall I wanted Van Buren and not a whored out, subpar, action RPG). Tactics might not have been shit but it was something that was pretty nasty. So no, I am not going to just sheep it up like some of you and proclaim that it was a great game.

 

[Allotrope]

What no Fallout 3's ending was totally good. Lets ignore the fact Charon is immune to radiation and is my slave and wouldn't go FIX IT.

They wanted to save that ending until you would buy their broken steel add on

 

[Jax Sparrow]

I don't understand why do you talk down to FoT so much the game was good and even though you don't like it , it was 100 times more falloutish than F3, I've seen many people here say that it is shit without any explanation.

What's more annoying DarkCorp is that you talk as though FoT is widely accepted as a bad game.

 

[DarkCorp]

@Jack

Edit:

I said I don't like it when people expect US to think ALL the Fallout games are great. That is pretty much my only blanket statement.

Where did I state that I said EVERYONE hates FoT??

AllI said was I don't think thet FoT is a great game even though apparently Adamguy61 and Llamalords expects me to do so.

I do not know the reason others disliked FoT but I didn't like it for a simple reason.

1. The BOS is not a do goooder organisation. For some odd reason after F1 and 2, they were thought of as a Paladin do gooder as in D&D traditional sense instead of being an elite soldier.

2. So all of a sudden the BOS have a fleet of airships and a crapload of vehicles. Enough so to cover their own area of main operations and enough to form some Super Mutant genocide army.

Kinda like how Beth figured shitloads of car that still contained fuel/fuel cells, that was potent enough to be exploded with arms fire. How those cars were not siphoned of all their fuel is just left out their by Beth along with still standing flimsy wooder houses.

Keep in mind these guys thought the Glow was too dangerous to risk men and material and only with proof did the elder send maybe a squad at the most to accompany the vault dweller to Mariposa.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout_Tactics:_Brotherhood_of_Steel

 

[Crni Vuk]

Fallout 3 has about 20+ actors and you know how expensive it is to pay 20+ PROFESSIONAL ACTORS/Vocal Artists to say 500+ lines EACH?

Maybe thats what they should have done eventualy. Geting PROFESSINAL VOICEACTORS. And not some freak like Liam 'boring voice' Neeson maybe the money he got might have been enough to get 2 or even 3 better voice actors. But what do I know.

Are you stupid? You know how much time and energy goes into making a Game Engine? (PS Its not called the "Oblivion Engine", It is called the GameByro Engine and was not developed by Bethesda. It has 30+ Games producted using it.)

That doesnt mean they could not have worked on the engine. Particularly cause they made 3 games with it and should know the engine perfectly. Yet Fallout 3 has some bugs that have been already known since Oblivion ... tells a lot if you ask me. And the animations are simply shit no way better then Oblivion or the faces ? Those alone can make you cringe. Even if they are using a "old" engine. They could have done a lot more with it. We are talking about a company that wants to make the "best RPGs" out there. Not some 2 man buisnesses where they try to make a game on some Pentium II PC with just 100$ as budged.

 

[Jax Sparrow]

DarkCorp I did not say you hated it, those are my observations that most people don't like it. I agree with you that we are not supposed to like all the fallout games, even though I do. There is another thing regarding this matter FoT was developed by micro forte, not interplay ( I am not very aware of those terms, about developers and stuff ) many may thing we don't like F3 because it's produced by bethsoft and not interplay, FoT is a good example that the game could have been made by other developers and still be good.

 

[DarkCorp]

There is another thing regarding this matter FoT was developed by micro forte, not interplay ( I am not very aware of those terms, about developers and stuff ) many may thing we don't like F3 because it's produced by bethsoft and not interplay, FoT is a good example that the game could have been made by other developers and still be good.

A game can be good in various ways. The key is where.

FoTs mechanics were actually decent for me (take into consideration I am not all that into Jagged Alliance type games). The thing they screwed up on was story. Whats worse is that did not need to happen. All Microforte had to do was either consult BIS for lore or just play the originals for themselves and stick to the spirit.

Instead they changed a bunch of stuff storywise which put off people like me. Had it remained true in spirit I would probably have enjoyed it more.

Same with Bethesda. We all knew from the start Bethesda track record for games. Open ended pretty, but mostly empty worlds, dialogue nowhere on par with talent like BIS, with repetitive clone dungeons/monsters/quests. Thats what Beth does best. With their games thats fine.

The thing is Fallout was never meant to be like Daggerfall or Morrowind or Oblivion. Power Armor is supposed to look like powered armor, not plate mail. Paladins are elite soldiers who wear powered armor, not do goody D&D clones with the ability to wear plate.

When gaming IPs get traded, a lot of times its like their hollywood counterparts. There is too much artistic license. For example, one complaint about Uwe Bolls adaptations is they are nowhere faithful in the spirit of the games. Like Alone In The Dark, where Uwe figured army special ops type guys, gunships, hot chics, yadda yadda would be a good idea.

 

[Tremer]

1. The BOS is not a do goooder organisation. For some odd reason after F1 and 2, they were thought of as a Paladin do gooder as in D&D traditional sense instead of being an elite soldier.

they are not that good, they defend the people of the towns but they take all the people that can serve as a soldier and they probably they use them as meat shield.

they give technology but they muck or dont care about your previuos way of life.

and finaly if you follow your boss orders always, people, ghouls, supermutants and deathclaws ill be death

 

[Tagaziel]

1. The BOS is not a do goooder organisation. For some odd reason after F1 and 2, they were thought of as a Paladin do gooder as in D&D traditional sense instead of being an elite soldier.

Uh, did you play FOT at all? The BoS is a technofascist organization, extorting villages for recruits and supplies in return for "protection".

2. So all of a sudden the BOS have a fleet of airships and a crapload of vehicles. Enough so to cover their own area of main operations and enough to form some Super Mutant genocide army.

Not a crapload. Sure, the airships are a little iffy, but there aren't a "crapload" of vehicles available. Plus, they have major problems in tackling supermutants. Did you play St. Louis? Out of five squads deployed to the area, only one survived (and in a badly damaged state), while the leader of the Brotherhood was captured by the supermutants. The battle of St. Louis was a very one-sided affair, with the supermutants slaughtering the Brotherhood.

Really, pay attention while playing.

 

[Sephis]

The tank in FOT for example looks like it was abandoned after it broke down from another BOS squad. If you did help ghouls, and death claws your general would voice his disapproval. I don't think airships would be that hard create quite honestly. They take a basic understanding of physics basically right?

 

[Tagaziel]

The problem with airships is that they require a lot of resources the Brotherhood simply doesn't have.

 

[Tremer]

but they have resources to make vertibird, if they dont have the resources why they want plans ?

 

[Tagaziel]

It's called "future planning".

 

[Wolfehunter]

Look maybe it's wrong of me to seek compromise but comeon. The fights dismissing Bethesda is childish.

No its not. Bethesda is crap now. I've played all there games. I've seen there change in administration and there new modern mentality to gaming. All there concerned is Profits not Quality. Oblivion ended beth games for me. What a joke. I can't believe I was a sucker.

Look I know you guys like FO1 and FO2 and their good games. But you act like Black isle Studies were gods. Fact is they made other Fallout games and they DID make them wether you'd like to pretend to yourself they did or not. And so you pretend they didn't and just say they made the two games you consider masterpieces: Fallout 1 and 2.

I don't believe in god or gods. I believe in having a good time with quality PC games. Pixar makes great films too.. Everybody is waiting till they make there first real mistake... I wonder how that will end. Perfection has a cost.

As for Obsidian their games have been buggy/Sub-par/ or actually pretty good but Average in scale. Meaning Surprise! Because their humans not everything they do is perfect and also the fallout veterens have been with them for awhile so don't pretend they JUST joined the team to make New Vegas.

All PC games are buggy. But most half finished games put out today use customers as beta testers. How do they get away with that?...

Jokes aside Bethesda have made mistakes too, their games being buggy aswell like..well a lot of other RPGs. But their a class act RPG maker.

No not mistakes. There mentality is "Show me the money!" How many suckers will they trap into there big web of lies?

While Black Isle and their workers who moved on to Obsidian made Fallout 1 and 2 they made missteps aswell(Fallout Tactics, Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel and their recent games have been mediocore. So please don't protect them and treat them like gods because fact is they haven't been doing too well recently.

I never had a problem with the other titles because they where other titles. Fallout world yes. Not sequels! Beth made Fallout 3 a sequel which it isn't. If they have named it Fallout blaw blaw... thats fine. Don't call it a Sequel when there is no true relationship between FO or FO2 and FO3.

Now while yes they are making Fallout: New Vegas don't pretend like Bethesda is giving them free rein, fact is behind the scenes their helping aswell. Kind of like the situation with Devil May Cry where Team Little Devil and Hideki Kamiya helped the DMC 2 team to make DMC 3, a masterpiece in the hearts of DMC fans.

I don't bother with beth and there crap games. I'm no Console fan. I look for Quality PC games. Sadly those are becoming scares these days. Most of them are console hacks to PCs. I don't waist my time with Console games.

Look at both their strengths. Far as I've seen Black Isle's team(Some of them in Obsidian now) had strengths in story and writing. Bethesda's strengths are in making the game itself along with a bit of humor and writing.

Bethesda is cheap. They do what they can to make profit. How fast they can send a game out and change or invent whatever they feel necessary to sell there product. They raped and pillaged Original FO to make more money. Thats all. They don't care about story, or the fans or what would make a classic game.... "Show me the money!"

What I wish would happen would be if Bethesda made Fallout 4 with a new engine and dabbled the game with ideas and humor and Obsidian was hired alongside to work on the story and writing.

What I wish Beth is leave the PC market and stick to there consoles.. They're good at making crap games.

Remember, everyone has their strengths and weaknesses.
So is true for Black Isle/Obsidian/ and Bethesda team members.

True. It was more than that. Old PC game companies had a different mentality than today. All companies made games for profits I understand business. Then there is greed too I don't share those values. Many years ago games were made fairly well in the PC world. Even Bethesda had great games. New leadership and new directions have changed the way PC market is heading in the last decade. There excuses are Piracy and Economy are some of the natural disasters they conjure up to maximize control and sales. They dish out half finished games because there force time constraints. Harsh working conditions for the DEV teams working on the games. So-on...

Today's games are all about graphics and sound effects... Short term gain for players. No real replay value... This means Short term maximized profits for companies...

Lets not even get into the DLC scam. Having to pay for a game again... jezz.. Why not make the game proper the first time? Have all those great ideas right from the start?

Because its not profitable.... hehehe.. The current game market is a scam to sucker you into paying them till the gum looses flavor till they ship out a new improved batch... Not about quality games. Not about fixing there game ether. Its about money.

 

[SerbianWarrior]

ok im a new member here,but i think that if you come at nma and rip on Black Isles, is the same as trolling...so yeah,f*** off.
But,no seriously, yes,it is buggy,very buggy,but thanks to that son of a bitch (said with affection) killap his patch fixes a lot of those pesky bugs.
And,as far as im concerned, the bugs,even though many and serious didnt ruin the game.
What made,and makes fallout,as a franchise,not just 1 and 2 great is the post apocalyptic atmosphere,gameplay,story and cultural references.
Black Isles started Fallout,so i think that they deserve more credit then Bethesda, but Bethesda made and released Fallout 3, without it i wouldnt have known about fallout 1 & 2, so they deserve a lot of credit as well.
As for the games themselves, fallout 1,2,tactics and 3 are all great games,and its pointless to fight over which one is better since they are all truly amazing games.
And i also have to adress the whole Bethesda helping behind the scenes, rumor has it Bethesda will be developing Fallout 4, while Obsidian (Black Isles) are making fallout new vegas (mostly)
Havent played BoS since i dont have a console and i will try to never own one but i heard it sucked,reason for that is, if i remember my Black Isles history, is that by 2004 many of the minds and talent behind Fallout 1 and 2 have left black isles since someone bought interplay...some french assholes
And they were pushing for a console, not a strong point...so yeah...
This was long,getting kind of awkward now, in conclusion...
Fuck you Mr. Troll