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Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Mr Fish, Sep 23, 2016.
Then use duckduckgo?
From a very reliable source I heard that Google also controls us all.
These days I feel like I spend more time fact checking the news than actually reading the news. There certainly is a drop in trust in professional media outlets in large parts of the population, and that's pretty terrible. You never could really trust "the media" in everything all the time (for example, reporting about nuclear power and its dangers and benefits is almost always fear-mongering and widely inaccurate), but it used to be that when I watched a report on something going on in the world I could trust it to some degree. Not anymore. Having to constantly fact-check everything induces a fatigue and I do find myself being less interested in the news in general due to that.
Google is indeed a piece of shit which spreads fake news.
I'm liberal on things like legalizing drugs, abortion, gay and trans rights, all that social stuff. Fiscally, I'm more conservative, when it comes to the economy. Yet I've never understood how I get called a "liberal SJW cuck communist" if I throw out some dissident opinion that Republicans/conservatives/alt rightists don't like. The same with feminists/liberals/sassy black queens: "Racist misogynist xenophobic Nazi". It's like people who aren't total hiveminds on either of the two sides, but actually formulate their own opinions, don't exist anymore.
Imagine there was a 'European Google'. A site that Europeans could use without handing their search etc. info for free to a corporation in a competing economic zone. Also I'd like to have a 'European Facebook/social media', 'European operating system (not Linux cause it's still sucky)', etc.
DuckDuckGo is a good search engine.
The issue for me isn't Moores opinion, the problme I have is that he's a manipulative entertainer who's selling his 'movies' as documentaries. The kind of interviews Moore does for example, where he asks COEs questions (like with NIKE and why they closed a plant in the US), and completely rips the interview out of the contexts. Is moore lying? No, he isn't. But he's not showing you the whole inteviews and this makes the people look worse than they actually are. That's a real scumbag move in my opinion. I don't care if the media has a very right wing perspective - it actually doesn't though, the media is more leaning to liberal/leftist ideals by the way, what Moore does is despicable.
Google holds no water in a courtroom though, and that for a reason you can't just convinct people based on some article or random searched for sources in Google. It is exactly what Toront says, you guys dismiss everythign that doesn't fit your narrative and the rest is 'fake news' - again, I think you really don't know what actual fake news really means. The internet, is NOT a reliable source, just because you can look at the images or footages by your self just as how reading acticles at Wikipedia is not enough for getting a doctors degree on a university.
How many people do you actually know that work in the media? Like news anchors, reporters, journalists, do you actually know how news are created in the first place? I still have to get an answer to that question - not the first time I ask this. Get your self familiar with the procedure, before you simply dismiss the industry as a whole, because I was never talking about the actions of a few individuals outright lying to their viewsers, those certainly exists, I never denied that.
Neither google nor facebook or twitter are trurstworthy sources. Not from a journalistic point of view. It's simply hearsay it could be correct but it is more likely wrong or out of context - that's why not every random schmock with a blog is necessarily a journalist!
No one here is saying that you shouldn't be sceptical about the news, particularly the mainstream media - cross checking sources, like Hass said is a good thing for example -, but have you not seen how quick Alex Jones was with his 'excuse' for Pizza-Gate? See, this is what happens when you ACTUALLY do a mistake, you can be draged in front of court room and facing serious consequences to the garbage you throw out. And the same is true for Fox, CNN, MSNBC or any News Papers really. Again, mistakes happen and they are not equal to 'Fake News'. Neither are agendas or 'opinions' writen like news articles.
Again, FAKE NEWS means that someone is fabricating news with the intention to 'lie' to the public, and if that really is the case, then you can actually drag people into a court room for this and get them sued!
I am not disagreeing with you here, I am just saying that you can't know it for sure you're jumping to conclussions without knowing the full picture, I really hope you will never be caught at the wrong place and wrong time finding your self in a court room with a judge that is pretty certain to know what has 'happend'. I am pretty confident that you would demand from the police to conduct a clear investigation.
I am not saying they did nothing wrong, I am just saying that no one of us here is the authority to decide this, since no one of was present at that time and there was no hearing, no testimony, how do you know they did something wrong, if you're not even familiar with the jurisdictoin or the ethical code of proper journalism - are you an attorney or a member of some journalistic group dealing with such matters?
Again, if you really feel they did something wrong, fill out a lawsuit, get some investigation going and see what the real deal is, ask the police offcers which have been present, try to find the muslims who had the signs and ask them what happend and so on.
If it is true, then it should be easy to come up with a definitive proof here, and I do not mean just some obscure youtube video that might be taken out of context. I mean something substantial, and if MOST IF NOT ALL of them are fake, then you should also have a very easy time to find more examples where the news have been completely fabricated - examples where they have been sued for lying for example, there are ethic comissions in place you know. I am also talking about all the big media outlets just so that you know.
Besides, if MOST IF NOT ALL of the news are fabricated, how do you know youtube, google, facebook, twitter or the negative press about BLM can be trusted? Who's telling you they aren't tries to manipulate your opinion?
At least in Germany hard- and software engineering wasn't exactly politically favoured in the 80s and 90s. Nixdorf missed the transition to personal computers and got swallowed by Siemens who in turn then mostly worked with Fujitsu and never really took off. And those were pretty much all the big german companies, really...
I spent most my life trying to influence those around me to go a moderate path between the extremes, you can have some conservative views, you can have some liberal views, but with the political climate lately, it has just become uncomfortable. I prefer to keep my mouth shut as much as possible now, because if I open it, I'll be forced to pick a side.
I will typically gravitate towards the left though, because I really don't want extreme right wingers hi-fiving me. Moderate conservatives, sure, hi-five me all you want, but the problem is - if I say something that *would* cause a moderate conservative to hi-five me, that same statement would also cause an "alt-righter" to come running, and I wanna whack them away with a stick.
It's a pity how difficult it has become. It was never easy, mind you, which is why, as I said, I've been trying most my life to encourage a kind of middle ground. I guess middle ground has been catapulted out of reach for most people...
The problem with these arguments is that that is all they are. Some people like to retort with:
but it goes both ways. I know someone who does work in the media, but it isn't pertinent to any of these conversations of fact finding. In fact. I have fact found, only to be mocked. Trying to have a conversation with some here will just result in a long winded or something that lowers everyone's brain cell count like this.
I realized that I was trying to share information with people like this:
No point linking to facts or trying to have a serious conversation with people like that.
People who feel a sense of achievement or pride by pink badge on a website.
Fact is you haven't shared anything. Nothing but cryptic references to bismuth and its half life.
It's the typical, old DirthyOldShoe mantra. He says something contrived, expects everyone to understand it - which nobody does, and when asked for it he rarely provides any sort of explanation except more contrived crap.
Oh, and somewhere along the way he has to make an attack on Odorites for whatever reason, that's his favorite pastime. Really fucked us up this time, we're dead.
All you've been doing in that thread is posting "(Thing) is interesting", refusing to explain why, and assuming everyone will jump to the same conclusions you do.
If you want to have a serious conversation, actually explain your points, instead of just throwing premises at us and assuming we understand what your hinting at.
DirtyOldShoe is a living, breathing and typing example of the DunningKruger-Effect.
In the field of psychology, the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias, wherein persons of low ability suffer from illusory superiority when they mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is. The cognitive bias of illusory superiority derives from the metacognitive inability of low-ability persons to recognize their own ineptitude. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, low-ability people cannot objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence.
To dumb to realize his own stupidity.
I think he's just actively trolling, playing a persona, all that stuff.
But I still wanna know what all this bismuth bullshit is all about.
It better be good, or else...
Mjølner can solve everything. It's a scientific fact.
She was killed by the so called "CopBullet - Effect".
I am curious what will happen in this case.
Do black lives matter when the black life has picked 'cop' as a profession?
No because he would primarily be a cop
and cops lives don't matter
only black lives do, thereof the famous "black lives are the only lives that matter"-movement
bunch of fucking racists