Brotherhood of Steel contest results

Mord_Sith said:
That wasn't criticism alec, you just blew up all over BN there, bloody super nova if you ask me!

Uh, just so we're clear here, he's not criticizing me. This contest was not my idea, nor something I pushed for, nor something I wrote the rules for, nor something I was the boss off. Credit goes where credit's due, I was only one of the jury members. Just so we're clear and nobody thinks this is about me, personally, because I'm not the head of this place or responsible for everything the staff does, despite people thinking that. I do stand behind this contest, but I recognize its flaws (and my partial responsibility for those).

McRae said:
So let's go back to the purpose of this thread

Criticism and/or ideas are fine for this thread. NMA isn't a circle-jerk place where we're all supposed to hug and congratulate each other on a job well done. Just be aware of how you bring forth your criticism and how constructive it is.
 
Okay, here's to show what an elitist prick and arsehole I really am: although I am not able to part with any money right now, I am willing to send the runners-up (who, according to my limited knowledge of literature, were better than the actual winner) a mint copy of Arcanum or Fallout 2. I can only part with one copy of either game, though (so no two Arcanums or two Fallout 2's).
If the jury is willing to pm me their addresses (and perhaps their preference), I will mail the games as soon as I can.

Okay?

I'm serious.

If both of them want the same game, Moyer gets the first pick, 'cause I like his story best of all.

Mord_Sith said:
Alec, if you're such a literary marvel as you proclaim here, why didn't you try to win it, lord knows that with the ego you're touting around in your last few posts you ougtta be able to draft the next big wave in Sci-Fi.
I'm fed up with having to defend my so-called humongous ego when it comes to literature, but as far as I know, I am the only member on this board who has written and published (and not self-published, mind you) two books of poetry and one novel (a lousy one, but at least I am enough of a man to admit that and that book taught me more about what literature should be than all the brilliant novels by other authors I tend to read and enjoy). I was editor of DWB for two years in a row, I've worked as a journalist, written for quality newspapers and so on and so on. Trust me: I know what I'm talking about and I'm good at what I do.
 
alec said:
It was a writing contest, wasn't it? Then you add writers to your jury.

It was a writing contest to write an article, which means there are other needs besides style. (Both the contestants and the jury ended up treating that aspect rather loosely, so I don't think there's anything to complain about there anyway.) As for writeriness, at least welsh and I have ample writing experience, and we don't necessarily agree with you on the relative literary merits of the contestants. Looking at this with the eyes of an author doesn't make the outcome a foregone conclusion, not even if that's all you're capable of, which wasn't our mission statement. I wouldn't even be as apologetic as BN about the contest setup in general. A word limit of 1800 - the length of the original article - would have been better with hindsight, but 3000-5000 would be something entirely different, and we had no reason or intention of going there.
 
Kirby Go here.

To Brother None and the other members of the jury: Thank you for choosing my entry as one of the runner-ups, it means so much for someone whose first language isn't even english. This means so much more to me than placing in the Bethesda design-a-perk contest, back then I had only need to come up with a sentence or two, (plus we all know what reaction that contest got after the winner was announced) this time I had to come up with a real story that's actually coherent.

To alec: Thank you for the offer of sending out Fallout 2 or Arcanum to the runner-ups. While I can't honestly say that I didn't enter the contest because of the prize offered, it's not necessary. Hell, I won, that's enough. (wouldn't say no to it, though :P ) But let's not turn this to another Grim Reaper's Sprint thing.

To those who particularly liked my entry: Thank you. It was a blast writing the thing. :mrgreen:

To the other winners: Congratulations! :clap: From your works I realized I need to improve on my descriptions and imagery, plus some knowledge of American geography would probably help.

To the other entrants: better luck next time! :twisted:
 
Alec, what have you expected? Are you just pissed that your favorite story didn't win? This was a writing contest related to a popular computer game, so it shouldn't surprise anybody that the outcome isn't high literature but fan fiction. At least it's good fan fiction as far as I can tell.

Congratulations to the winner and all other participants. Somehow I'm quite certain that you did better than Bethesda will do...
 
Congratulations to the winners and thanks to all those who entered, although I don't have time to read them all at the moment.

Tucker's seems to be the most competent, but is less imaginative. Kirby's is more engaging, but the background story is too much of a stretch for me. Aaron's is well written too, but could have done with more polishing.

It wouldn't hurt to proof these pieces. E.g. 'appeared to be supermutants'?
 
From My Driveway

From My Driveway



My only creative writing in the last few decades, --> the gilding of resumes, and the psychotic possession of love letters.
All efforts better lost in time and spaces.

Could cross examine here , insert the conjunctive contradiction, but, ....

but no body writes letters any more.

Unless one knows of, inter-courses with, the forums on the inter-net.

Most at home writing is utilitarian, shopping lists, and dictates on what to take out of freezer for tonight's .

At work is an acronym chart for cryptic labeling. 30 or so verbs and a few score nouns.
For fun or pure bloody mindedness can free associate, fake it, or be creative with in the limitations.
Sometimes scribbling down a few letters in seconds is akin to getting lucky with the haiku format,
sometimes it's just willful preteen humor alluding to the polishing of Johnson Rods.

Saw this essay enterprise as more interactive entertainment, an umpired sand *castling* at low tide,
then an academic exercise or a literary tour de force.

Assigned a topic and fed Emil's treatment of that material as a sample, a starting point, run in any direction for 1200 words and 30 days.

To me the ideas were prime and the art to be left to however the pieces needed pushing around after the blessing of spell check.

So, 1200 seemed unobtainable with out the dramatic context. Telling enough of the story so the essay could stand alone.

From my driveway, the contest's core concept was that fans of FO, conversant with the FO story could set up a scenario,
on par, or better
than professionals obsessed with archetypes and stereotypes --- (psycho babble now market samples) --
on par, or better
than the pro's paid to perform a concoction in nex gen narrative minimalism, a premise dictated by marketing focus groups.
Their resultant issue, a *massively* FPS with RPG aspirations, point and clicking lots of targets for an experience / gold grind to phat loot.

Don't think I posted in, or posted on, anywhere, after the '07 holidays, until some moment February '08. Surprise, a writing contest!

So, 1200 words seemed out of reach, until I started to play out my BOS characters motivations on this little table top with spell check.

30 days to rewrite 1200 stand alone words, 30 days to 'polish Johnson Rod', became a luring possibility.

Never got there.

Time and tide intervention.

Thought my ideas were good enough, had some metal.

Submitted my assay to a jury of FO peers.

My prize, a PM to notice a sample essay that exploited the power of repetition, somebody read and remembered, so my 15 minutes of fame.

Now? Get to read the top ten with more focus and savor, with the esprit de corp of shared experience.

In Americana car culture, 'from my drive way', implies view point at the end of the journey.

From my drive way, from my context, this contest was a welcome opportunity, and worth the trip.


4too
 
And our meta-contest winner is ....

4too (as always)

With runner-ups: Alec and BN.

Congratulations!

Edit: I forgot my pun-chline:
Let's give a prize for 4too, too.


And let's not forget about the actually contest itself.
Congrats for the winners and thanks for the reading pleasure.

I like the way Kirby misspelled some of the words, made it more authentic for a less-educated thug.
Or was it intentional? Even better...
 
My prick-detecting powers tell me that someone is acting like a prick....

alec, is that you?

Man, you seriously are asshole enough to criticize an *amateur* contest, organized by a bunch of guys only for the sake of entertainment? They didn't have to do it at all, you know. Nobody pays them for it, they loose both their time and energy to organize it, even give money for the prize and you come enlightening us all how pathetic it was.
You know, you could say it more politely at least, instead of saying "I don't want to offend you guys, but you're fucking lame and have no idea how to do things properly". You either offend someone or shut up, make up your mind already.

As for the contest, I look forward to something similiar in the future.
 
I would like to see contests in the future as well.

Alec, you're being childish. Seriously, I wish you would have posted. I think you could have handled the challenged of a 1200 word story. My suspicion is that you didn't like being judged.

4too, its always a pleasure to read your stuff. If you like I am happy to give you my comments on your story. I would have earlier, but we were in competition.

As for the competition rules- seriously a 3000 word story, would have either turned people away- because it was too long, or it would have consumed way to much time.

Overall I think its safe to say that reading the stories, discussing them and doing the contest itself all the members of the jury probably spent some 30-50 hours of time. I am quite sure the jurors felt the time was well spent.

In terms of the quality of the submissions, we had a lot of good entries. Honestly, we had some complete crap too, but we had a lot of good efforts and it was difficult choosing our winners.

The winners should be proud of themselves. We appreciate the effort you guys put into this. I highly encourage the contestants to enter their stories on our site and they can receive reviews and comments from the readers. I would be happy to comment on your stories.

Most of all, we appreciate the work you guys, all of you guys (writers and judges), put into this.
 
I was thinking about writing a new work and submiting on the forum, because my contest work was shit. Is that acceptable?
 
syllogz said:
I like the way Kirby misspelled some of the words, made it more authentic for a less-educated thug.
Or was it intentional? Even better...
Most of it was intentional, I also have a tendency to ramble as well so I took the memoir/diary/journal literary schtick route. It allowed me to 1.) ramble and readers would chalk it up to an old man's incoming senility (which is what my character is supposed to be) and 2.) do away with lots of adjectives and descriptions (an old mob guy wouldn't care about such things, plus it kept me within the word limit.)

So yes, it's not so much as playing to my strengths but a means of hiding my weaknesses.
 
Hey Chang- What I liked most about your story was the narrative. I liked hearing the character and seeing the world through his eyes. A lot of folks went with a meta-narrative, but I think the best stories, like yours, took a more interesting narrative approach. The retrospective first person was pretty good here.

I also liked that you were dead on with the canon- the BOS are a dieing outfit. Your references to conflicts in New Reno, and some of the inside jokes (the child killing is unpopular) was pretty good. Where my impressions of Bethesda's Fallout 3 don't seem to connect with what we know of the Fallout world, your story makes sense.

The idea of a false Brotherhood of Steel- a Brotherhood of Steel that had been coopted by a raider group- was an interesting theme that a number of the writers used. Its a good idea.
 
alec said:
I am the only member on this board who has written and published

I am, by no means, picking on you, I'm just sayin, that I also have a few poems published and a few stories, although, I have to admit, they were actually comics. Being aware as to what you're good at is extremely important, so is knowing your price. I, for one, don't think you have an overgrown ego, not more than the usual for one who writes/draws/plays a musical instrument with a certain proficiency.
 
Nobody said he has an overgrown ego, but that he acted like a kid. This was a fun contest for average people to participate, not a proffesional literature contest for proffesional writers, so no wonder the entries weren't marvelous.
 
patriot_41 said:
alec said:
I am the only member on this board who has written and published
I am, by no means, picking on you, I'm just sayin, that I also have a few poems published and a few stories, although, I have to admit, they were actually comics.
his statement was false from the getgo anyway. there are other published artists here who shall remain nameless for now (as it is not up to me to reveal their identities).
 
Hey guys, thanks for giving me the opportunity to write about something that I love. It gave me a good hobby to do for about a week or so. I am sad that my entry was not as well received as some of the others, but I am still proud of my work and may post it in the forums a while from now.

I realize my "style" may not have been right for this kind of contest, but that is fine by me as I do not plan on becoming a major fan-fiction writer, just someone that does it in times like these.

I loved reading everyone else's entry and hope NMA does something like this again. :)
 
welsh said:
Hey Chang- What I liked most about your story was the narrative. I liked hearing the character and seeing the world through his eyes. A lot of folks went with a meta-narrative, but I think the best stories, like yours, took a more interesting narrative approach. The retrospective first person was pretty good here.

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The idea of a false Brotherhood of Steel- a Brotherhood of Steel that had been coopted by a raider group- was an interesting theme that a number of the writers used. Its a good idea.

My thoughts exactly. After seeing the way the East coast BOS acts in the previews this gave a pretty good reason as to why. Also the mob angle was very unexpected and actually worked really well.

Personally I don't mind a shorter word limit. If the cap was 3000 people would just be complaining about it being to small. Putting it short can sometimes be a big a challenge as the long rant.
 
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