Can you really call yourself a Fallout fan if you love Fallout 4, honestly?

Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by HarkonFourth, May 30, 2018.

  1. Marines

    Marines First time out of the vault

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    Jul 19, 2006
    I like Fallout 4, though not as Fallout game. Both F4 and F3 are decent as RPG-lite's with interesting settings, features, aspects, worlds, and a diverse modding community. But as Fallout games they're lackluster with regards to writing, world building, depth, dialogue, mythos, freedom, and are ultimately utterly lazy. They're not Fallout games. However, if you can look past that you'll get some entertainment out of them as an RPG-lite shooter.

    I remember being 13 and walking into Software Etc ('97) with my mom. Perusing the massive shelves stocked with PC games I came across a large display for a recently released title. The cover art immediately caught my eye and upon picking up this intricately designed box the size of a dictionary with a flip-top and detailing the goodies inside, I knew I had to give it try. The nostalgia I feel for that game and for F2 hasn't faded.

    Maybe one day someone will come along and wrest control away from Bethesda and actually deliver a true Fallout experience. Then again, wish in one hand as they say...
     
  2. Blastwave Dave

    Blastwave Dave First time out of the vault

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    Sep 12, 2021
    I wish I could like Fallout 4, funnily enough it is somehow even worse than Fallout 3 to me. 3, at least, had some shining moments and quests that I enjoy running through. Fallout 4 is the blandest setting yet, with the blandest factions, the blandest tone, and the blandest combat.

    Yeah that's right. I think the combat in Fallout 4 is shit. New Vegas has tons of problems but you have so many toys to play with and build characters around. 4's so bland in comparison.

    I like some of its base ideas, but it pretty much sank any hope I ever had of Bethesda creating something worthwhile post-Skyrim.
     
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  3. Morgan_

    Morgan_ The Fool

    Jul 3, 2020
    Fallout 4 is pretty great on it's own. Better than about 90% of games since then (imo) and even better with mods. Still a bad Fallout game though.
    Kinda like similar on how I feel about BoTW. Great game, bad Zelda game.
     
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  4. Iprovidelittlepianos

    Iprovidelittlepianos Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    May 12, 2020
    Fallout 4 isn’t a good game, but it is a good Fallout game
     
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  5. Marines

    Marines First time out of the vault

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    Jul 19, 2006
    I hated F3, hated it with a passion. Still do. Narratively speaking it's absolute garbage, has zero freedom, and your action or inaction has no impact upon the world around you, broadly speaking. It's the epitome of linear. A to B progression along a set track until the conclusion. While I'll agree that the world building is slightly better than F4 and all that that entails, it's still sorely lacking as a game, let alone a Fallout game.

    I'd rather play Tactics ad-nauseam than be subjected to Fallout 3.

    Yeah, there's a sense of storyful progression, dread, and impactful decision making in F4 that isn't present in F3. Granted, most of it is veiled and somewhat nonexistent, but it is still there nonetheless. Plus the modding community is consistently adding game-play components and aspects to the game that continue to improve and expand it.

    Excellent one-liner. You must've been on the debate team...

     
  6. Iprovidelittlepianos

    Iprovidelittlepianos Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    May 12, 2020
    I just like to say that because I always hear people saying “fallout 4 is a good game, just not a good fallout game” but fallout 4 really isn’t a good game. I guess it’s all subjective but I don’t understand how people like it.
     
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  7. Morgan_

    Morgan_ The Fool

    Jul 3, 2020
    If you know, you know.
     
  8. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Nov 26, 2007
    That was a good video, aside from mistaking Bethesda's V.A.T.S. nonsense for the original aimed shot UI; Fallout had no vats save for the physical location at Mariposa.
     
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  9. Alphons

    Alphons National Beholder

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    Aug 9, 2017
    Fallout 3 is stupid. Fallout 4 is lazy.

    It's so lazy there's nothing to talk about it.

    Bethesda was so lazy they replaced Little Lamplight with MinecraftZone#11 and Power of Atom with Kill random bandit in random location.
     
  10. Doddson

    Doddson First time out of the vault

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    Thursday
    your head cannon doesn't mean anything considering that Jet was invented by Myron from brahmin shit. No offence, but this is why I dislike the new games. They change the lore and get things wrong for no reason. Why not invent another drug? It's just parasitic of bethesda to use old fallout lore but changing it into something else. I mean, one way of putting it is that they are just recylcing things that other people came up with ages ago and presenting it to a new audience as their own. And then the new audience think that bethesda invented pipboy and bos.

    The whole asesthethic and feeling of fallout is the selling point, and todd howard sure as hell didn't invent it.

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    Regarding the OP, I agree.
     
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  11. Kaptin

    Kaptin Slayer of soyjacks

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    Sep 2, 2021
    I would say you hate shit taste in games if you loved Fallout 4 but I would still call you a Fallout fan.
     
  12. Morgan_

    Morgan_ The Fool

    Jul 3, 2020
    There are people that have only played Todd Fallout, but have interest in the extended lore of the original games like myself. These are Fallout fans just not as much as people who played the old games. Really just depends on how puritan you're feeling.
     
  13. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Nov 26, 2007
    As far as I am concerned, Fallout's gameplay is the series. The Bethesda (and even Obsidian's) IP games are lacking any of it; hence...a fan of what exactly? Bethesda's game has none of the Fallout series' gameplay, and their game-fiction is all but unrelated to the Fallout series, except for a few cherry picked nouns to give brand identity. Theirs is a future world obsessed with the past, rather than (as should be) the past's envisioned future world. There is an enormous difference between these.

    Their game is without impactful consequences to just about anything save for a few set-piece moments like the stupid Megaton bomb, or Ten Penny Towers.



     
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  14. Morgan_

    Morgan_ The Fool

    Jul 3, 2020
    I think if you haven't played the original games but like the lore, setting and stories they tell and you find yourself thinking about them I'd say that qualifies as a fan. Gameplay is a part, I agree, but I think Fallout is more than it's gameplay.

    Who's more a fan of Fallout:
    Person A who loves playing the original games or the entire series a lot
    or
    Person B who hasn't played the original games, but likes the lore, ideas and stories they tell anyways?

    Consider the evolution and diversity of Mario games. Who is more a fan of Mario based on which Marios they play? Just the sidescrolling players? What about the really different sidescroller entries, do some of these not qualify?
     
  15. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Venerable Relic of the Wastes

    Nov 26, 2007
    If they haven't played the original games... they they certainly haven't gotten much (or any?) of the lore.


    These are different games; Mario Bros [1] is not Super Mario Bros, or Donkey Kong, Mario Cart, or Super Smash Bros. Liking Mario from only the cartoons... that IMO is akin to liking Fallout only from FO3 & 4.

    Similarly, all (or most?) Warhammer [&40k] games use the Warhammer IP, but they very often play completely different from each other. A self thought fan of Warhammer might LOVE Spacemarine, or Fire Warrior, but have never played the table-top game, nor like any of the RTS games.

    *It's funny but true that a TMNT fan from the show might be appalled by the gore and violence of the actual TMNT from the original comics; no Bebop & Rocksteady either... and then there is the real Baxter Stockman.
     
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  16. Morgan_

    Morgan_ The Fool

    Jul 3, 2020
    Partly true (to me at least). NV got me into the original games lore and I watched people play through them and looked up a lot about the games on places like Fallout fandom, etc. Talked about it with friends. The gameplay is just a bit too dated for me, but I also think this of F3 and other games I like. I don't replay them though for this reason, but I am still a fan.

    true, I just think that if you like Mario 64, Mario Bros or Superstar Saga (like me) then you're still a Mario fan just as Beth fallout fans are also Fallout fans. It just depends on how lenient you are. I can still understand where you're coming from though.
    So would we consider them to be fans of a broader shared universe and stories or do only the originals count? I lean more toward the former, but will say if you dislike the stories and characters of the og Fallout's then you aren't a Fallout fan. The closer you get to the originals the more truly Fallout it is. Liking Fallout 4 is fine though.
     
  17. Iprovidelittlepianos

    Iprovidelittlepianos Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    May 12, 2020
    Earlier in this thread I compared fallout 4 to Hitler, and of course it was a joke, but that’s really how some of us see it here. Fallout 4 is like the antithesis of what made the original fallout great, so it’s like, if you like fallout then how can you like that game? It’s like calling yourself a socialist but idolizing Hitler. It’s possible, but there has to be some cognitive dissonance going on.
     
  18. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Shoot me again. I ain't dead yet. Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    I am no longer enthusiastic about Fallout therefore I am no longer a fan.
     
  19. Morgan_

    Morgan_ The Fool

    Jul 3, 2020
    I didn't start with og Fallout's so I don't have the perspective some of you have. There are things I like and dislike about old and new Fallout's. I did experience the drop in quality from NV to 4, but it doesn't really bother me that much. As much as I don't care for BoTW and the new direction of Zelda I still played most of it and had fun. I just wont play the next one is all. Same feelings regarding Morrowind to Skyrim, or Star Ocean 3 to new Star Oceans.
     
  20. Norzan

    Norzan Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Apr 7, 2017
    How can you get into the lore of the series while also taking Bethesda Fallout's lore into consideration? The only way to be into the lore of the series is to ignore the Bethesda Fallouts and only acknowledge the first two games and New Vegas.
     
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