Censorship? There is no censorship!

[Akratus]

And yet there's a new CoD every damn year. Good job there, champs.

But that was my point. Boycotts don't work. Even if every single person who participates boycotts, it might not even be a blip on the big publishers' radars.

But yeah, the argument that gamergate is mostly ineffectual surely means one shouldn't attempt at all. Gee, that's like, a pro-corruption stand point. Don't even try! Just give up.

 

[1fps-warlock]

That's why I specifically wrote that the law enforcement doesn't have the proper knowledge and powers to uphold the law on the Internet, not that we don't have the proper laws for the Internet.

I think internet law enforcement only works in countries that lack real world problems.
Some first world governments apparently have nothing better to do, so they try to enforce network rules.
Meanwhile in India, there are cats lurking the city streets eating people.
Good luck with internet rules when the infrastructure looks like a jungle. Just look at this.
Network laws will never work outside of developed countries, if you think they will, you're delusional.

 

[Akratus]

 

[Kilus]

The only reason why anyone ever talked about gamergate, and I'm including this board and this post, is for attention. Everything that has been said has been said. The lines in sand have been drawn, everyone has misrepresented everyone, there have been endless LOUD NOISES and no one has accomplished anything. Gamergate and anti-gamergate is just one big competition for America's Next Attention Whore.

Just walk away from this, it is no benefit to you, you provide no benefit to others and in fact you participation probably helps others harm themselves and your side is worthless.

 

[Hassknecht]

And yet there's a new CoD every damn year. Good job there, champs.

But that was my point. Boycotts don't work. Even if every single person who participates boycotts, it might not even be a blip on the big publishers' radars.

But yeah, the argument that gamergate is mostly ineffectual surely means one shouldn't attempt at all. Gee, that's like, a pro-corruption stand point. Don't even try! Just give up.

It's not that you shouldn't attempt at all, it's that you should 1) not be hypocritical and 2) focus on the real targets instead of feminists and SJWs.
But hey, Milo's got you all by your dicks now and so it's now about saving your red-blooded manly video games from the evil cootie-infested girlygirls.
Hoo-fucking-ray.

 

[Wastewander]

The Zoe Quinn incident was what set of the shitstorm only because it was the first time gamers had hard evidence. With doritogate et al gamers had no leverage. It's also unfortunate but true that indie devs are easier targets. You can't expect regular gamers, with 0 support, to make any kind of dent in big publishers. Even with evidence it's been an uphill struggle.

Sure, I'll admit taking on big publishers is difficult. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try, and with as many people who support GamerGate, surely people could bump heads to try coming up with something that isn't boycotting. But come on, how exactly has GG supposedly fought corruption? They try to get ads pulled from sites where each had one person make an article that they didn't like because of what they thought it said. Not because many sites basically act as an extended PR department for publishers. Heck, maybe try to convince IGN and other sites to be more critical and that you'll support them 100% even if they stop getting review copies.

But even forgetting that, when I see people saying this has turned into a "cultural war" about "political correctness" (and let's face it, that's been the gist of their focus) then that's when I know that GG is barely doing jack shit about ethics in gaming journalism. If you don't like how X journalists says that Y game is sexist because of Z reason then don't read their articles! There isn't just one site that publishes video game news and reviews, but many. Was the Polygon review of Bayonetta 2 unfair? Maybe, but if that's their audience and they care then so be it. Anyone who bought Bayo 2 was most likely going to do it regardless of that review giving a 10 or the 7.5 it got.

 

[Akratus]

And yet there's a new CoD every damn year. Good job there, champs.

But that was my point. Boycotts don't work. Even if every single person who participates boycotts, it might not even be a blip on the big publishers' radars.

But yeah, the argument that gamergate is mostly ineffectual surely means one shouldn't attempt at all. Gee, that's like, a pro-corruption stand point. Don't even try! Just give up.

It's not that you shouldn't attempt at all, it's that you should 1) not be hypocritical and 2) focus on the real targets instead of feminists and SJWs.
But hey, Milo's got you all by your dicks now and so it's now about saving your red-blooded manly video games from the evil cootie-infested girlygirls.
Hoo-fucking-ray.

Haven't heard anything from Milo in at least a month. Don't really follow what he does or says. I'm sure it's funny to you to imagine gamergate is easily manipulated though.

Gamergate supports women in gaming, you know, which you'd know if you had done any research.

For instance, this game by a female dev was greenlit after it came out some sjw's were spreading word of a boycott of sorts because she espoused pro-gamergate opinions: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=340877105
http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2nixua/seedscape_has_been_greenlit/

Well-spread image amongst gamergate:

Haven't seen any sjw promote female game designers. Just those part of the san fran clique. No reporting on The Free Young Capitalists either.

Who's really anti-women here?

Need I remind you of #notyourshield?

SJW's make it about women, and we respond in kind. Meanwhile the far bigger anti-corruption train is steaming forward, but it's main efforts are on reddit, 8chan.co/gg etc. so obviously it doesn't exist.

The Zoe Quinn incident was what set of the shitstorm only because it was the first time gamers had hard evidence. With doritogate et al gamers had no leverage. It's also unfortunate but true that indie devs are easier targets. You can't expect regular gamers, with 0 support, to make any kind of dent in big publishers. Even with evidence it's been an uphill struggle.

Sure, I'll admit taking on big publishers is difficult. That doesn't mean you shouldn't try, and with as many people who support GamerGate, surely people could bump heads to try coming up with something that isn't boycotting. But come on, how exactly has GG supposedly fought corruption?

Just because you don't look doesn't mean it's not there.

Do some freakin' research. Everything else you've espoused in this post can be disproved with a casual site-stroll.

http://gamergate.me/

 

[Sander]

Do some freakin' research. Everything else you've espoused in this post can be disproved with a casual site-stroll.

No, Akratus, the problem is that if you do the "freakin' research," you find out you're full of shit.

I mean look at that list. Half of it isn't even true (like the FTC updating its guidelines). "Improved ethics policies" are good, but they're minor improvements and those policies mostly focused on the low-level indie bullshit (friendships) that doesn't affect anything structural. Donations are fun, too bad none of them are to charities that have anything to do with journalistic ethics.

But the "pulled ads" shit is the best. What did you get people to (temporarily, and in many cases like Adobe, not at all) pull their ads for? For sites expressing opinions you don't like. Not for being corrupt. Not for big publishers corrupting the process. Not even for undisclosed friendships. No, you get them to pull ads because Leigh Alexander said some mean things about you, because some reviewers didn't like Bayonetta 2's depiction of women, because Sam Biddle said something dumb about "bring back bullying." Nothing, not one bit of that, was about actual corruption.

 

[Wastewander]

Gamergate supports women in gaming, you know, which you'd know if you had done any research.

...

Haven't seen any sjw promote female game designers. Just those part of the san fran clique. No reporting on The Free Young Capitalists either.

SJW's make it about women, and we respond in kind. Meanwhile the far bigger anti-corruption train is steaming forward, but it's main efforts are on reddit, 8chan.co/gg etc. so obviously it doesn't exist.

Umm... and what does have to do with ethics in game journalism? See what I mean? Applying feminist critiques to video games, and not highlighting current female developers isn't corruption so I have no idea why supporting women in gaming matters in this context; even though yes, it is good to support women.

Do some freakin' research. Everything else you've espoused in this post can be disproved with a casual site-stroll.

http://gamergate.me/

Oh look, one of the first few articles is about Anita Sarkeesian. Someone who isn't a journalist. See, this is why people keep making fun of GG with those "it's actually about ethics in gaming journalism" memes.

 

[Sander]

Meanwhile the far bigger anti-corruption train is steaming forward, but it's main efforts are on reddit, 8chan.co/gg etc. so obviously it doesn't exist.

Hey, citing those places for the 'good' you think they do while ignoring all of the horrible shit they do. Like defending 8chan's right to host child porn. Spreading malicious lies about basically everyone they don't like. Spreading aaaaalll of that conspiracy theory bullshit I talked about above. Including many, many people's doxx on 8chan.co/gg. Because when people go to KiA and /gg/, that's exactly what they see. Not some imagined "anti-corruption train."

 

[Akratus]

Gamergate supports women in gaming, you know, which you'd know if you had done any research.

...

Haven't seen any sjw promote female game designers. Just those part of the san fran clique. No reporting on The Free Young Capitalists either.

SJW's make it about women, and we respond in kind. Meanwhile the far bigger anti-corruption train is steaming forward, but it's main efforts are on reddit, 8chan.co/gg etc. so obviously it doesn't exist.

Umm... and what does have to do with ethics in game journalism? See what I mean? Applying feminist critiques to video games, and not highlighting current female developers isn't corruption so I have no idea why supporting women in gaming matters in this context; even though yes, it is good to support women.

You were the one who brought it up. Don't freakin' criticize me for providing a rebutal.

 

[TheWesDude]

ahhh yes....

back on the soap

all of gamergate is guilty of harassment

all of gamergate is guilty of doxxing

all of gamergate is guilty of child porn

all of gamergate is guilty of whateveritistomorrow

because we all know none of this happened before and when it finally ends it will never happen again.

 

[Wastewander]

Gamergate supports women in gaming, you know, which you'd know if you had done any research.

...

Haven't seen any sjw promote female game designers. Just those part of the san fran clique. No reporting on The Free Young Capitalists either.

SJW's make it about women, and we respond in kind. Meanwhile the far bigger anti-corruption train is steaming forward, but it's main efforts are on reddit, 8chan.co/gg etc. so obviously it doesn't exist.

Umm... and what does have to do with ethics in game journalism? See what I mean? Applying feminist critiques to video games, and not highlighting current female developers isn't corruption so I have no idea why supporting women in gaming matters in this context; even though yes, it is good to support women.

You were the one who brought it up. Don't freakin' criticize me for providing a rebutal.

The quote I responded to was pointed towards Hassknecht, but I used it to point out GG's lack of focus on what they're supposed to be about. Besides, supporting women has little to do with being critical of feminists -- which that was the point. GamerGate focuses too much on criticizing feminists when it's supposed to be about ethics in game journalism. Supporting women is great, but GG likes to throw that around as if it meant anything for their movement other than positive press.

 

[Akratus]

I don't find arguing in your defence when accused of something to be so bad. Although I will admit that if GamerGate had been strictly gaming journalism, it'd have been far smoother sailing. Then again, I've made this point before, that I'd love to see the anti-social justice part of gamergate to split off. But I also argued why that's unrealistic.

 

[Crni Vuk]

as far as I remember most of the time you have been arguing rather against it, defending GG rather vehemently. Not that I judge you because of it. Just what I remember.

 

[Ceratisa]

I'm now not honestly surprised Sanders was involved in the GIANT circle jerk of uninformed twits in GamerGhazi's reddit.

 

[Akratus]

He probably saw the quality circlejerking I splooge on in the Codex and got jealous.

 

[Cyberfiend]

The only thing Gamer Gate has made me aware about is that Brianna Wu is a complete hypocrite and I have no idea why she's even involved in all this when all her contributions to the industry have been/will be nothing but shit and dare I say, misogynistic? Whatever she sucks, and the fact she's supposedly one of the faces of feminism in gaming makes me shiver.

 

[Crni Vuk]

And yet there's a new CoD every damn year. Good job there, champs.

But that was my point. Boycotts don't work. Even if every single person who participates boycotts, it might not even be a blip on the big publishers' radars.

But yeah, the argument that gamergate is mostly ineffectual surely means one shouldn't attempt at all. Gee, that's like, a pro-corruption stand point. Don't even try! Just give up.

Mass Effect 3? Dragon Age 2?

Don't underestimate legitimate shitstorms by consumers. I think Bioware definitely noticed those uproars by their fans.

And that is the point. GamerGate doesn't work because GamerGate is not a consumer revolt. They are not the majority, they are actually a minority within gamers, they have rather conflicting agendas and they don't look/feel honest even if they have good intentions they are burried under trolls and harassment. I am not saying everything in GamerGate is build up on it, but seriously, they are simply a questionable little group. Hence why every big publisher will continue to ignore them. And they they will never be more for the gaming press lile lunatics.

 

[Akratus]

https://archive.today/gCY1i

lol.

Edit: Mr Gaider reaping what social justice sows: https://twitter.com/davidgaider/status/552240036922818562

And yet there's a new CoD every damn year. Good job there, champs.

But that was my point. Boycotts don't work. Even if every single person who participates boycotts, it might not even be a blip on the big publishers' radars.

But yeah, the argument that gamergate is mostly ineffectual surely means one shouldn't attempt at all. Gee, that's like, a pro-corruption stand point. Don't even try! Just give up.

Mass Effect 3? Dragon Age 2?

Don't underestimate legitimate shitstorms by consumers. I think Bioware definitely noticed those uproars by their fans.

One word: Entitlement.

And that is the point. GamerGate doesn't work because GamerGate is not a consumer revolt. They are not the majority, they are actually a minority within gamers,

It doesn't have to be a majority to be a consumer revolt.

they have rather conflicting agendas and they don't look/feel honest even if they have good intentions they are burried under trolls and harassment. I am not saying everything in GamerGate is build up on it, but seriously, they are simply a questionable little group. Hence why every big publisher will continue to ignore them. And they they will never be more for the gaming press lile lunatics.

Again, one sees what one wants to see.