Comic books

Akratus

Bleep bloop.
Or do you prefer "Graphic Novel"?

Either way, I'd like to discuss them. Because I'm not very familiar with comic book territory. I own a hardcover Watchmen book, and all six hardcover library editions of Hellboy. I also want to explore Alan Moore's work more, in V for Vendetta and maybe Hellblazer.

But what other classics exist? What are the other must-reads in the comic world?

And what are your experiences and favorites amongst comics?
 
Varies, but some oft-cited "classics" would be Sandman by Neil Gaiman and Maus by Art Speigelman. Along with Watchmen, I think they're "must-read"s mentioned in general. I think Persepolis is on that list too, but still haven't gotten around to reading that myself. :oops:
Apart from that, anything by Alan Moore is a good bet.
I'd especially recommend looking for Miracleman (or Marvelman) although I don't think they're quite done reprinting it yet. Been in ownership hell for a while, so hard to find.
Some of my favourite books apart from those are Transmetropolitan by Warren Ellis and Preacher by Garth Ennis.

Also, since I know you're on the codex you may find some more good stuff here: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?threads/must-read-comics.73588/

Some other personal favourites that are less "must-read" (in no particular order):
Bone by Jeff Smith
The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers by Gilbert Shelton
Jhonen Vasquez's work
Sin City by Frank Miller
Y: The Last Man by Brian K Vaughan
Planetary by Warren Ellis
Sam & Max by Steve Purcell
Robert Crumb's work
 
As a child I liked superhero comics, but once I was an 'adult' I lost pretty much all interest in muscular men and women.
I discovered people like Chris Ware, Chester Brown, Joe Matt and Seth when I was in my late teens, early twenties (fuck, time flies) and they completely changed my perspective on comics.

I could sum up a shitload of alternative comics/graphic novels that blew my mind, but here are four classics that you really should read:

- I Never Liked You by Chester Brown
- It's a Good Life, If You Don't Weaken by Seth
- Jimmy Corrigan, the Smartest Kid On Earth by Chris Ware
- Peepshow - The Cartoon Diary of Joe Matt by Joe Matt

I'm not kidding, Akratus: read them. And then read them again. You will thank me later.
 
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I'll second most of what PlanHex has to say, though I've only read selectively from the list. Particular +1s go to Y: The Last Man, Sin City, Sandman, and Jhonen Vasquez's stuff, though none are without their faults. (Vasquez is the mind behind the Invader Zim cartoons, if you're familiar with them. If that sort of humor (only adjusted for a decidedly R-Rated demographic) doesn't appeal to you, you'll probably want to look elsewhere.)

Others of note (I'll probably get a bit verbose but these are particular favorites from over 20 years of comic experience. Feel free to skip the reviewy bits):

Cowboy Ninja Viking:
An unhinged ex-assassin with multiple personalities (hint: see title) is reluctantly recalled to duty and embroiled in an unfolding plot involving other "triplets" like him and the shuttered government initiative that trained them. Sounds high-gravity and melodramatic, but it's gloriously, self-awarely "popcorn movie" in tone with great offbeat dialogue, and it never makes the mistake of taking itself too seriously (again, see title). I've had a lot of luck recommending this one, but if you don't care for it, you probably really won't care for it.

Superman: Secret Identity:
I don't read a lot of superhero stuff, but this particular one-volume standalone is well worth a look. It takes place on Earth as we know it (I.E. no superheroes, completely mundane, Superman and co are well-known pop culture staples), and follows one Clark Kent of Kansas, tired of all the Superman jibes in school and the yearly heap of Superman birthday presents from relatives who have no idea just how thin the joke is wearing, who suddenly and inexplicably wakes up one day to find that he's actually acquired the powers.


Despite what you'd expect, it's an intimate, human story, with the four collected issues following Clark through four transformative phases of his life (adolescence, young adulthood, maturity and parenthood, and passage into the twilight years) and using Superman not as an unstoppable spectacle of wish-fulfillment, but as a lens to focus us on the humanity of Clark Kent and human experience in general. Even though it takes place in an alternate universe, it's easily the best Superman story I've ever read (and the only one I'd recommend to anyone and everyone without reservation).

Kingdom Come:
Another alternate universe miniseries from about a decade back, and, among other things, a masterful spanking of the EXTREEEME, grimdark trends that befell comics in the 90s. This one shows us a DC universe in the not-too-distant future where the familiar, behind-the-times DC pantheon have mostly hung up their cowls and retired in shame or disgust, and a new generation of "heroes" brawls unchecked through the streets with little or no regard for the people they're ostensibly supposed to be protecting. When an unprecedented event brings the world to a flashpoint, the old guard decide it might be time to come back and show the young'uns what it actually means to be heroes, but as ideological conflict inevitably ensues a growing number of people begin to feel it's time humanity asserted their place as more than just a backdrop to superhuman affairs...


Themes of faltering faith, duty, and dignity abound in this one, and our POV character is Norman McKay, an aged pastor who, like the general public, can't find anything to believe in anymore. I know it sounds cheesy (especially given your take on religion), but I'm more for Sagan than sermons myself and I thought this was a truly phenomenal book. It's packed with references to the extended DCU (as of ~10 years ago) for the geeks but written so that you don't even need to know who Batman is to enjoy it, and it's at once one of the most human and one of the most epic comic arcs I've ever read (and trust me, I'm not one to use the word "epic" unless I mean it in the dictionary sense). True modern-day mythology here.


If nothing else, it's worth it for the art. Every single panel of the 200-page run was hand-painted individually by Alex Ross, and there's not a single one of them that would look out-of-place hanging on someone's wall.

Wanted:
The 2008 James McAvoy/Angelina Jolie movie loosely paralleled this comic, in the same way that Bud Light loosely parallels actual beer. If you've seen the film you've got the general idea, but replace the bog standard "assassin league" crap with an underground cabal of real actual supervillains secretly running the world and crank the Fight Club- inspired social commentary up to 11. In part, this is another self-aware capes-and-robbers setting, but it's also a fairly gritty exploration of the indignities of working-class society, the conflicting pressures on (and some would say emasculation of) the modern male, and the sometimes fine line between free-thinking individualism and destructive narcissism. If they were to make a movie adaptation that hewed a bit closer to the source I can see it being directed by Danny Boyle.


I find parts of this book hard to read, which was clearly the author's intent. A lot of it clashes with me at my very core and I often find the main character and his inner monologue absolutely repugnant, but I'm not sorry at all to own or recommend it. Given some of the opinions you've voiced here concerning life, the universe, and everything, I think you'd appreciate it at least on that level, if not more than I did. Just try to ignore how much the protagonist looks like Eminem.

The Ray Bradbury Chronicles
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A three-volume anthology of some of Bradbury's best stuff and some little-known gems, adapted by various different artists and authors and with a preface to each story by the man himself. The results are mixed, but none of them are less than satisfactory and a good number of them are absolutely stunning. They were published in '92 so they're a bit uncommon these days, but if you get the chance, they're a must-read. (If you're inclined to take a stranger's word for it and pick them up sight-unseen, they're comparatively cheap and abundant on eBay.)
 
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I'd especially recommend looking for Miracleman (or Marvelman) although I don't think they're quite done reprinting it yet. Been in ownership hell for a while, so hard to find.

Tell me that they finished the reprints and Neil Gaiman is finishing the story, they promised they would let him finish it when the reprints were over. I 'm waiting for it, Miracleman is one of my favorite comics books and heroes, I really want to see how it ends, with the Dark Ages arc that Gaiman would ( hopefully will) write.

Back to the topic I recommend reading Miracleman ( Alan's Moore and Neil Gaiman run), The Swamp Thing ( Alan's Moore run) Ex Machina, Y: The Last Man. I still recommend reading Fables, Promethea and Saga but they are in what you can call ''approval phase'' but as far my reading goes, they are worth it.

The Codex list is a good place to find great comics too.

I almost forgot, everyone need to read Turma da Monica. A classic Brazilian ''gibi'' , the kids love it.
 
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Right now I'm focusing on collecting the New 52 released by DC:

+ Batman (Just the regular serious, not the offshoots like Dark Knight, Legends, or Detective Coms.)
+ Batman and Robin (Every once in awhile I'll pick on up, but I'm not that serious about these).
+ Nightwing (my favorite so far)
+ Batgirl
+ Red Robin
 
Yeah, I've noticed you're pretty vocal about your lack of love for most of the newer Batman crop. What seems to be the problem(s) with them?
 
Do you guys know anything about old comics? I have a small stack of horror, sci-fi, and war comics from the late 1970s. They're not in particularly good shape, of course.
 
I just found a couple of boxes of my comics from the 1980s and 1990s (Spiderman, GI Joe, Aliens/Darkhorse stuff) Not sure what to do with them though...
 
I feel like I have to be the weaboo of the thread and recomend you good manga:

One PiePFFFT hahahaha Nah

Naoki Urasawa's work is just about perfect, the man researches his stuff a lot to the point were sometimes you forget it's a manga you are reading and not something made on Europe or the US. He started out writting romantic comedies, but after writting Monster he's been releasing one great work after the ther (altho they are all pretty long). Specific Titles: Monster, Pluto, 20th Century Boys and the on going Billy Bat.

The more known Attack on titan. Despite it's popularity it is actually a great manga, is very slow paced and the world it builds is rather interesting and multi layered. Despite having a group of teenager as part of the cast you won't see a cheesy shonen speech happen without the story reminding the characters the sort of world they live in.

On the more lighthearted but still good side:

Dorohedoro. The art is very unique and gritty, the world of fantasy they create is a combination of miserably filfthy and hilarious.
 
I just found a couple of boxes of my comics from the 1980s and 1990s (Spiderman, GI Joe, Aliens/Darkhorse stuff) Not sure what to do with them though...

Most likely they aren't worth much. Depending on how many you are selling large lots of comics on Ebay is a way to turn a profit. You could try taking them to a comic shop to sell, but typically the ones i go to never offer much for them unless you have key issues. Shoot me a list of the issues if you like. There are a few 80's comics that are worth a little, but that 90's stuff is everywhere. I have a CGC guide if you need a general price range, but condition of the books comes into play on that, so pics would be needed. Craigslist would work but you get comic vultures that screw you out of good stuff if you are uninformed. Personally, if it was me, I would read them. ;)

If you have the issue of Secret Wars where Spidey gets the black suit you have a winner. First appearance of Venom would be another winner. I've never known Dark Horse to be too valuable, but I would have to look at my guide. Let me know Willis. Be glad to help.
 
It's not the cheeriest of comic books, but I've always enjoyed reading Maus by Art Spiegelman. It tells the story of the author's father and his experiences as a Jew in Nazi Germany, and its use of anthropomorphic animals to discern different nationalities adds a great splash of symbolism to the narrative.
 
Oh, I was given the first volume of Persepolis last year at my university! It's a great comic book. Marjane Satrapi did the album art for Iggy Pop's album, Préliminaires (which is a personal favourite of mine), and he did voice acting for the 2007 film adaption of Persepolis. Not a bad trade.
 
In my opinion, Fred Basset comic strips could very well be used as a highly effective form of torture.
 
The only series I followed was the X-men comics, and that goes back a reaallly far way, and has ALOT Of crap and tie in and crossed universe stuff, and it is kind of a hassle to get into.
 
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