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Saw the screenies of Fallout 3 addon. Saw this:


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I know it's a scenario before the bombs, but it's pretty ridiculous to see. I'd much rather a Fallout that really shows the desperation of the wastes like Fallout 1, set it 40 years after the bombs fall or less. This is apocalypse, not having Red Alert style Tesla tanks!

Sorry, wanted to embed the pic but don't know how.
 
Yeah, there's a newspost thread about this where people have been ripping it apart already.

It's a shame to re-visit the "pre-war" era of the Fallout world. A very strong element of the series (with the exception of 3 duh) was The Unknown. The uncertainty of what's out there in the present, and the scant evidences of the distant past. The whole 50s vibe was presented in the Fallout series as a tool to veil the past (and to the vault dwellers, a would-be present) with rose-tinted glasses, a wonderful world where opportunities are around every corner, and then be hit in the face with a grim, not very 50s-utopian future at all (and now a present).

Fallout 3 has gone a long way in ensuring that the player has nothing to fear or ask in the world of tomorrow. By revisiting the past, this "omg CoD-like squad-assault tactics!" addon breaches the last chapter of uncertainty in the Fallout universe (well.. non-canonical one, I guess). I suppose Bethesda thought it would have some Wow!-effect to expose us to a re-enactment of C&C: Renegade.
 
I dont even see the need for a focus on the period of the War anyway (cause its "cool" probably?).

Its not like Fallout ever caused such a high sensation about "the grat war" anyway. It was much better to come across small pieces of information around the wasteland left of that time. Like in the Sierra army depot for example, the Glow and other places.
 
Well I thought what set Fallout apart from other games was that it was set in a POST Apocalyptic world, not a PRE Apocalyptic one!

What's the point of calling it Fallout when it could be any modern/futuristic shooter like Battlefield 2142 or Frontlines?

Beth is too inept to make a compelling post-apocalyptic narrative, so they resort to making an action combat game with no real resemblance to Fallout at all!

What next? I mean WW2 still happened in the Fallout universe so why not make Fallout 4 where you are a US agent fighting the Nazis? You could then find dogmeat to follow you around and voila, you have a direct link to Fallout!

Crni Vuk is right about the war being just an aside in Fallout. It worked best when you didn't really assign modern ideology to blame the 'reds' or whoever. In Fallout, you don't really know who started the war and it doesn't matter. The war was a disaster for everyone, and the moral of the story is that people need to band together, get along, not relive old hatreds etc.

Beth is really doing everything possible to totally destroy the mystery and wonder of Fallout.
 
Bethesda doesn't care about mystery, lore, canon, feel or anything else that creates depth in a game. All they care about is the bottom line.... Yay Bethesda Softworks here to bastardize everything.
 
I think its pretty cool that we will get to experience an important part of the Fallout world's history in-game. I really like the idea and it will greatly expand my understanding and feel for the Fallout world.
 
Yazman said:
I think its pretty cool that we will get to experience an important part of the Fallout world's history in-game. I really like the idea and it will greatly expand my understanding and feel for the Fallout world.
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Often times, the best way to experience something is to not experience it at all. You're submitting to someone elses idea of what happened.
 
Yazman said:
I think its pretty cool that we will get to experience an important part of the Fallout world's history in-game. I really like the idea and it will greatly expand my understanding and feel for the Fallout world.
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Depends on how much "value" the experience has.

Alone from the screenshots I can see already now that its pretty much screwed. As when you for example can see all the soldiers use the "simple assault" rifle instead of the known Fallout 1/2 plasma and laser rifles which one would expect usualy :crazy: . I know its just a detail here. But think about it ... if they already dont pay attention to that ... what else have they ...diped and mutated as well :vatted:
 
Weird how the Power Armoured dude has an assault riflt but a grunt in combat armour is wielding a gauss rifle.
 
I just did a quick google search for Fallout 3 expansions and couldn't find anything. Can I get a link?
 
Often times, the best way to experience something is to not experience it at all. You're submitting to someone elses idea of what happened.
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Ok, but in this case its something I WOULD like to experience because the Fallout setting is probably my favourite setting out of any game's setting, and the more I can learn and experience within it as a gamer, the better. Under your logic it doesn't matter who develops it, it should remain in our imagination.. and I can understand how you might feel that way, but I don't agree with it and I think its really exciting, especially given the potential it has within the game world. Its a simulation, therefore it could be altered by the creator for some sort of end, etc. etc. and even if it is just a straight simulation of what happened during that battle - awesome.

it will deepen my knowledge and understanding of the setting.

As when you for example can see all the soldiers use the "simple assault" rifle instead of the known Fallout 1/2 plasma and laser rifles which one would expect usualy .
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The "simple" assault rifle has long been the standard gun of the US military, indeed pretty much every military force, and i don't see why that would change. Plasma and laser rifles weren't exactly common, they were always pretty "elite" weapons and I don't agree that they would be standard rifles for the grunts to use.

Weird how the Power Armoured dude has an assault riflt but a grunt in combat armour is wielding a gauss rifle.
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This might seem weird at first but I can see multiple reasons as to why this would be so. Gauss rifles have a hell of a long range as opposed to most assault rifles which are more close quarters weapons, for suppression and cover fire. Gauss rifles are more of a "sniping" weapon and to me its only logical that they would be much further back in the combat zone than those with assault rifles. Given that they would be much further back and in a "sniping" position they would need much less armour.. whereas if you are in closer quarters with the enemy you would need much more armour and you certainly wouldn't be using a gauss rifle..
 
The "simple" assault rifle has long been the standard gun of the US military, indeed pretty much every military force, and i don't see why that would change. Plasma and laser rifles weren't exactly common, they were always pretty "elite" weapons and I don't agree that they would be standard rifles for the grunts to use.
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Well, that's what Chris Taylor, lead designer of FO1 said - that conventional weapons were used mostly be police, national guard, BADTFL etc., as the Army was mostly into energy weapons.

And even in Bethesda's own canon, the R91 was an urban assault rifle used by the National Guard for pacification purposes, not a US Army weapon.
 
Well, that's what Chris Taylor, lead designer of FO1 said - that conventional weapons were used mostly be police, national guard, BADTFL etc., as the Army was mostly into energy weapons.

And even in Bethesda's own canon, the R91 was an urban assault rifle used by the National Guard for pacification purposes, not a US Army weapon.
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You do have a point there, although what does "mostly into energy weapons" entail? I find it hard to believe that a military force in a world seemingly struggling for resources would simply drop automatic/semi-automatic rifles entirely. I think they would still be using them to some extent as the plasma/laser rifles are clearly ranged and not really able to be used for the same purposes in combat as an assault rifle. It would be like changing everything over in favour of sniper style guns - it seems like it would cripple your army's ability in close quarters or assault conditions.
 
Yes, but according to Bethesda's own canon, they shouldn't be using the R91 (a National Guard urban pacification weapon), but the M199. From the Museum of Technology:

Perhaps the most well-recognized weapon in the modern U.S. Military arsenal, the M199 earned its nickname "The Backtalker" from the unusual report the firing mechanism makes as it ejects a spent shell. Firing standard 5.56mm rounds, the M199 is still the official infantry weapon of the U.S. Army.
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On the other hand, the R91 data in the Citadel terminal states:

The R Series of combat assault rifles was used reliably following the discontinuation of the M series in the early 21st century. The R series, produced by civilian manufacturer Stent Security Solutions, was made in many models and variations. The variation most common to the DC Wasteland is the R91 full-auto urban assault rifle.
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The M series being discontinued contradicts the M199 being the official weapon of the US Army. Unless the info in the museum was not updated since the early 21st century.
 
Well, you got me there with the assault rifles, there is obviously some sort of problem there. Either one of them was in use though so imo either is acceptable, something small like that isn't really too important. As long as they don't omit assault rifles I'm happy..

However I still think its very unrealistic to expect they would replace assault rifles in general with plasma/laser rifles, which have entirely different applications strategically.
 
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You do have a point there, although what does "mostly into energy weapons" entail? I find it hard to believe that a military force in a world seemingly struggling for resources would simply drop automatic/semi-automatic rifles entirely. I think they would still be using them to some extent as the plasma/laser rifles are clearly ranged and not really able to be used for the same purposes in combat as an assault rifle. It would be like changing everything over in favour of sniper style guns - it seems like it would cripple your army's ability in close quarters or assault conditions.
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At least the forces equiped with power armors should be using energy weapons like the known plasma and laser rifles. Troops responsible for logistic and supply eventualy would use lower technology and the known assault rifles (or anything else that is available)

To say that here only as comparision/information. In World War 2 aprox. 16 Million soldiers saw service in the US military, but only 17% of them actualy saw fighting while the rest done service in logicist, supply, maintenance, etc. Out of 10 looses the infantry suffered usualy 7.

It would not be uncommon to see assault rifles in Fallouts timeline even in the use of soldiers. But it makes no sense to see them in the use for soldiers equiped with Power Armors since anyone can expect them to use the hightest technology available.

Bethesda definetly has a disliking against the known Fallout design, for what ever reason. I believe they just want to imprint "their" way of design on everything (like the vault door mechanicsm for example) so that you know "its from Bethesda".
 
Bethesda definetly has a disliking against the known Fallout design, for what ever reason. I believe they just want to imprint "their" way of design on everything (like the vault door mechanicsm for example) so that you know "its from Bethesda".
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And Todd said they are all hardcore fans of Fallout...

...pathetic.


Remember when one guy from Beth criticized Blizzard for not making Starcraft 2 more like FPP?
Maybe Beth wants to show, using Fallout, how they would do it?
 
Bethesda definetly has a disliking against the known Fallout design, for what ever reason. I believe they just want to imprint "their" way of design on everything (like the vault door mechanicsm for example) so that you know "its from Bethesda".
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I think you're actually just over-analysing something that actually has no bearing on the Fallout setting and using it to bash Bethesda. The "known Fallout design" really doesn't say anything about pre-war military tactics and armament strategies, and even if it did, a single minor thing like a few soldiers in a war situation with assault rifles doesn't mean Bethesda are "out to ruin Fallout."

You sound very conspiratorial..
 
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