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MCU movies were a mistake.
Cowboy Bebop (2021) review
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MCU movies were a mistake.
TJQKA
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Hey I made it through about 5 episodes and I realized they followed the main story. That was pretty cool and I was surprised they could pull that off. That's not just the bare minimum because the storyboarding for the anime was done well and is already insanely difficult. It was fun in a PG way but got weirdly "progressive" at some points. However, I am secure in my sexuality, so it doesn't really bother me.
Casting however, is horrible. The black guy is actually the most convincing as a character from the show and he only has 2 emotions.
Casting however, is horrible. The black guy is actually the most convincing as a character from the show and he only has 2 emotions.
Following the story though is kinda the bare minimum here. So you congratulate them for ... doing the basics here? That's like saying oh hey Disneys Star Wars is still following Star Wars.
I get what you're saying that it's difficult to addabt something from one format to another. But then it begs the question, why bother? Why not make something else? Netflix clearly knows how it's done with other shows. The have done comics, books and so on in the past.
Besides I have zero sympathy for people that work with such high budges and companies throwing millions at those projects. It's their fucking job.
I would say this show simply proves again that getting animes on the "big screen" with like "real" actors is in most cases a futile attempt. As said in the video above, there is only so much that human actors can do.
I get what you're saying that it's difficult to addabt something from one format to another. But then it begs the question, why bother? Why not make something else? Netflix clearly knows how it's done with other shows. The have done comics, books and so on in the past.
Besides I have zero sympathy for people that work with such high budges and companies throwing millions at those projects. It's their fucking job.
I would say this show simply proves again that getting animes on the "big screen" with like "real" actors is in most cases a futile attempt. As said in the video above, there is only so much that human actors can do.
TJQKA
Boomer Anarchist
Yeah I'm congratulating them for what they've achieved because my expectations have been lowered to that point.
I don't think it's a waste of time to convert something to one media or another. I think bad adaptations are just examples of bad cooking.
I don't think it's a waste of time to convert something to one media or another. I think bad adaptations are just examples of bad cooking.
Yeah. Well can you name one really good anime addaptation here though?
TJQKA
Boomer Anarchist
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Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
The best way to sell people on your unpopular profit motif idea is to antagonize them as an opener.
But that video crni posted is cringe as fuck as well. Bebop is very progressive and has a lot of political undertones. The problem with this shit was in fact that they didn't get any of them and thought they were more progressive than Bebop by having Faye have porn dialogue with another woman and turning Gren into a 90's sitcom version of a gay character. They simply had shit writers who couldn't bother to watch and udnerstand the original and in turn seem to also cannot turn out a script that isn't cringe as fuck as well.
But that video crni posted is cringe as fuck as well. Bebop is very progressive and has a lot of political undertones. The problem with this shit was in fact that they didn't get any of them and thought they were more progressive than Bebop by having Faye have porn dialogue with another woman and turning Gren into a 90's sitcom version of a gay character. They simply had shit writers who couldn't bother to watch and udnerstand the original and in turn seem to also cannot turn out a script that isn't cringe as fuck as well.
Maybe I should have been more clear. I was talking about Japanese Animation. Not comic book addaptations like Batman. Which also had like well more "bad" ones than "good" ones as movies ...
It actually is. That way you can always fall back on the "It'S thE AuDIEncEs FaUlT!" or the also popular varation of it, that the "fans" ruined it with their "Canon". Something you hear quite often with Star Trek for example.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
These writers are so rock bottom stupid and media illitrate that they stated that the original Bebop wasn't dystopian because they was diversity. Bebop, the show where people live in colonies on other planets because the earth became inhabitable due to corporate incompetence and greed and many marginalized groups live in shanty colonies abandoned by the rich people who moved to Ganimedes because they couldn't stand to live around earth refugees, where the most exquisite delicacy is fucking rat meat and the galactic police force is on the pocket of the numerous mafia groups to the point that a lot of the policing is done by independent contractors who treat the trading of lives as a game. That's not dystopian. Fuck these people, I had purged my mind of this but this notification brought it all out again.
TJQKA
Boomer Anarchist
Maybe I should have been more clear. I was talking about Japanese Animation. Not comic book addaptations like Batman. Which also had like well more "bad" ones than "good" ones as movies ...
It actually is. That way you can always fall back on the "It'S thE AuDIEncEs FaUlT!" or the also popular varation of it, that the "fans" ruined it with their "Canon". Something you hear quite often with Star Trek for example.
I can't name one "Anime" that turned into a good "Movie"
Because 90% of anime sucks and 90% of film sucks. That's 1/20 chance that it will be something I like IF they don't fuck it up.
Well it's not in your-face-dystopian. This is overwhelming for people!
Sorry but that's a bit of a cop out. The reality is simply that Japanese animation and movies with real actors are fundamentally different types of media. Particularly Japanese animations are as much defined by the style of the art as the story and setting. Which makes the addaptation very difficult. You simply can't get this kind of feeling on the big screen. Spirited Away, Paprika or Akira would not suddenly become "better" if the're redone with real actors for example. Even if you would recreate the exact same story word for word - but then what would be the benefit of that? Just watch the original again ... Because those movies as animes are also defined by the look, the colour, their design (how characters are drawn) and so on. Stuff that would look outright ridiculous if you would put it in a real setting but which works extremely well as animation. See Battle Angel Alita.
A transition from one media to another is always a bit of a problem. But it can be done as there have been successfull movies with a high quality which also respects the source material. Think about Lord of the Rings, Sin City and so on. But this requires a lot of people actually understanding and liking the source material. From actors to directors and some of the film crew. Just look at what great length Peter Jackson has gone to actually make Lord of the Ring. They spend more than a year(!) in pre-production alone. Going as far as getting some illustrators to work on the movie which have been known for LotR illustrations for decades.
Lee and John Howe were the lead concept artists of Peter Jackson's Lord of the Rings films[6] and were recruited by director Guillermo del Toro in 2008 for continuity of design in the subsequent The Hobbit films,[6][7] before joining Jackson when he took over the Hobbit films project. Jackson has explained[8] how he originally recruited the reclusive Lee. By courier to Lee's home in the south of England, he sent two of his previous films, Forgotten Silver and Heavenly Creatures, with a note from himself and Fran Walsh that piqued Lee's interest enough for him to become involved. Lee went on to illustrate and even to help construct many of the scenarios for the movies, including objects and weapons for the actors. He made two cameo appearances: in the opening sequence of The Fellowship as one of the nine kings of men who became the Nazgûl; and in The Two Towers as a Rohan soldier in the armoury (over the shoulder of Viggo Mortensen's Aragorn who is talking to Legolas in Elvish).[9]
It would have been far easier to simply get some of the thousands of other illustrators out there to do the work. And also a lot cheaper. But it would have lead to different results.
The whole point I am trying to make here is that you can not treat something like this as any other script. And maybe it's not even really a good idea in the first place. No matter how much "Money" there is thrown at the project.
What's making it even MORE difficult and complex is when you actually take something which comes from a whole different culture - Japanese Animation - and try to make it a westernized movie/series with real actors. It's a recipe for dissaster. And I can not think of one example where that ever worked out well. It doesn't take a genious to figure that out.
TJQKA
Boomer Anarchist
You don't watch much Hong Kong Cinema? They do alot of live action anime stuff, and some of it was quite good until the party started.
Well then maybe they should have given Cowboy Beepop to Hong Kong Cinema.
TJQKA
Boomer Anarchist
This is a classic post-war Japanese film and shares the same styles of framing and editing as a traditional manga which is the root of anime but lets not go into that.
This is a post-independence pre-invasion Hong Kong film that basically has all of those elements you are talking about.
I have no idea who this woman is.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
They should've given Bebop to people with talent.
TJQKA
Boomer Anarchist
I have the strong feeling that we're really talking past each other here. Like it's half of the stuff I said is missing.
It is not just about "making" something on the big screen. And I honestly do not know how to articulate it better without repeating what I said several times by now.
When you transition from one media to another then you're inevitably going to loose something. It's simply bound to happen. Like when I take an oil painting and recreate it with guache or water colours or just graphite. It can have the same quality. Maybe even be better with more details. But it's a different medium with different textures, different colour satturation and so on.
I am not saying one can never try to do it. There certainly can be great experiences created by taking a great story and remaking it in another setting. There are plenty of succesfull examples - I named a few. And of course different media formats also take huge inspiration from each other - you're missing my point sadly.
But then you have to simply bring something unqiue to the table which outweights the elements you lost. Something that's unique to that type of media. Like with great actors. This is something that defines movies after all. Great acting. Like when they picked Henry Carvil for the Witcher TV series which is actually pretty decent. Not just as adaptation but because it's fun to see Carvil in the role as Gerald. And then you can even give it somewhat of a slight spin or even a twist to the story and setting where it's not just a carbon copy of the source material. Because if you're just trying to copy it then why even bother in the first place and not just do something that's simply inspired by the show.
TJQKA
Boomer Anarchist
No, I just couldn't believe that you would take that position. I mean, it's obvious. You go up and come back down and here you are again. No one can ever match my meet.
Everything has it's special "essence"
However, there are people who are gifted in transmuting souls from one body to another.
Everything has it's special "essence"
However, there are people who are gifted in transmuting souls from one body to another.
I see.
Or rather I don't see.
Or rather I don't see.