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Lately I have been getting tired from countless USA-related threads in the General Discussion forum. Elections, terrorism, democracy, foreign policies, Iraq... this forum is being systematically and brutally bombarded by an endless stream of posts dissecting same American issues over and over again, while issues of other countries are pushed aside and it seems that nothing in the world exists anymore but United States and their problems. So today, when I saw the nth reply to the mth topic about America, I banged my fist on the desk and said: "THAT DOES IT!" No more American domination! I don't care if they rule the world, I won't bloody let them rule this forum as well!

But since there is no rule that forbids people from discussing American issues, even when these discussions are ubiquitous, repetitive and pointless, I decided to break the monotony of American mind control and start my own thread - a thread about Croatia! In this thread you will receive daily reports and analysis of various events and trends in Croatian politics, economy and foreign policies. You will learn what scandals are currently trembling the Croatian political scene, what problems ail the common Croatian man, what tragic accidents happened that day and a variety of other information you don't care about. Fellow NMA-ers, welcome to Cro-Report!

So, without further ado, let the reporting commence!

The council concludes: POA hasn't overstepped its authority

The Council for Civilian Oversight of Security Services has today officially deemed that POA (Croatian counter-intelligence agency) didn't operate outside legal limits when they apprehended and interrogated Helena Puljiz, a freelance journalist. Helena Puljiz, who used to report from the office of the Croatian president Stipe Mesic, was run in for questioning by a couple of POA agents last week. They arrested her without a warrant and held her in captivity for several hours without informing her of her legal rights. They demanded she tell them about the period she had spent in president's office, specifically about the president's former advisor Zeljko Bagic (who was retired by the president and is currently prohibited from entering the European Union for his alleged role in aiding the fugitive Ante Gotovina, retired Croatian general who is wanted by the Hague Tribunal for war crimes). They also inquired about her private life, and in the course of the interrogation it became obvious they knew a great deal of personal information about her that they could have obtained only through illegitimate surveillance over an extended period of time. The manner in which the agents conducted the interrogation was arrogant and hostile. It culminated when they attempted to recruit her into POA and threatened to destroy her career if she disagrees. Disgusted by their offer to turn her into a pawn and irritated by the manner in which it was proposed, Puljiz refused, after which the agents released her.

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Helena Puljiz with Stipe Mesic, the president of Croatia

The following day, she reported everything to the Croatian Journalist Society and the Council for Civilian Oversight of Security Services, a civilian comittee that's supposed to prevent misuse of secret agencies for political goals and ensure that all agencies operate within bounds of law. Anyone familiar with Croatian intelligence services knows that such a body is an absolute necessity - since the day Croatia was founded as a sovereign country, these organizations have operated in complete secrecy, without any transparency or civilian control, and since the war they serve mostly as political police for those in power. They illegally survey 'objectionable' journalists and political dissidents, infiltrate public media, political parties and human rights organizations, and on multiple ocassions certain elements from intelligence underground were involved in downright criminal activities, such as drug trade, extortion, assaults, aiding fugitive war criminals etc. In early 2004 Franjo Turek, former chief of POA, was relieved of duty and replaced by Josko Podbevsek, member of Croatian Democratic Union (or HDZ - the party that currently rules Croatia), loyal to the current prime minister Ivo Sanader. As a result, POA became Sanader's private police. The fact that agents who interrogated Puljiz inquired about the time she spent working near president Mesic is indicative - namely, Croatian presidential elections are mere weeks away, and Sanader most likely ordered POA to dig up some dirt on Mesic and enable victory of his party's candidate (who is, by the way, an idiot).

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Josko Podbevsek, chief of POA

However, after much procrastrinating, the Council today announced that POA did nothing wrong, and thereby officially declared that in Croatia it is legal to spy and arbitrarily arrest common people. This is no surprise - chairman Vlatko Cvrtila is a personal friend of former chief Turek, and his council exists only to give legitimacy to government oppression and illicit practices of the intelligence services. It is also no surprise that conclusions of the Council have already been confirmed by the parliamentary Committee for Internal Affairs and National Security, since president of said comittee is none other than Ivan Jarnjak of HDZ, former minister of internal affairs (relieved of duty in 1997 when he got on late president Tudjman's bad side) who ordered SZUP (Service for Protection of Constitutional Order - old name of POA) to survey thousands of journalists and human rights activists during the '90s, and practically introduced the modus operandi of Croatian secret services.

This affair won't be swept under the carpet so easily, however. Helena Puljiz and the Croatian Journalist Society have announced their intent to report this incident to the European Federation of Journalists and the European Commission, which could lead to an international scandal and slow down Croatian entry into the European Union - something Sanader and his band of corrupt demagogues (usually referred to as the 'Government of Republic Croatia') will be desperate to avoid.
 
*sigh*

Is someone going to make a mature and intelligent comment or do I have to lock and vat this thread? Oh, wait...
 
Quite interesting report, Ratty

Seems like you Croatians have to watch your intelligence service very careful in the next time...

Is someone going to make a mature and intelligent comment or do I have to lock and vat this thread? Oh, wait...
:rofl:
 
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Lately I have been getting tired from countless USA-related threads in the General Discussion forum. Elections, terrorism, democracy, foreign policies, Iraq... this forum is being systematically and brutally bombarded by an endless stream of posts dissecting same American issues over and over again, while issues of other countries are pushed aside and it seems that nothing in the world exists anymore but United States and their problems. So today, when I saw the nth reply to the mth topic about America, I banged my fist on the desk and said: "THAT DOES IT!" No more American domination! I don't care if they rule the world, I won't bloody let them rule this forum as well!
Apparently you missed my Netherlands-gone-fucked thread.

Anyway, welcome to the New World That Is Freedom, tovarish. Get used to it. It's what I'm doing.
 
Fellow NMA-ers, welcome to Cro-Report!

I think it is a good idea, but I challenge you to keep it going for more than two weeks. My experience is that most Americans, yes even Fallout fans, really don't care at all about other countries.

Croatia must be an interesting place to live. What will you try to do to improve things there, Mr socialist?
 
Not true. I do care about Britain, Japan, and for some odd reason Brazil. I liked Sander's thread because it was interesting, but Ratty's problems are, sorry to say, total snore dullsville.

Also, Croat sounds like a delicious pastry.
 
This is the sound of me not caring.


If you could hear me.


Sorry Ratty, Croatia is small time Europolitics. I'm still in a hissy fit about Zapatero going off his fucking rocker, and Vlaams Block being abolished, much as I may think they are fascists and ignortant psedofascists.
 
Thanks Ratty...in fact thanks a lot! Im glad to post some political discussion that DOESNT involve the US...it was making me feel depressed for the state of my nation.

Im so glad the journalist made it out okay and is now making a big fuss. I mean as long as she didnt give in and is still capable of safely expressing what happened the corruption will be brought to light...though correcting it is another matter.

Thank God its not so bad that they simply killed her or resorted to violence...seems the corruption isnt blatant and that limits it to some extent.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
Ratty said:
Lately I have been getting tired from countless USA-related threads in the General Discussion forum. Elections, terrorism, democracy, foreign policies, Iraq... this forum is being systematically and brutally bombarded by an endless stream of posts dissecting same American issues over and over again, while issues of other countries are pushed aside and it seems that nothing in the world exists anymore but United States and their problems. So today, when I saw the nth reply to the mth topic about America, I banged my fist on the desk and said: "THAT DOES IT!" No more American domination! I don't care if they rule the world, I won't bloody let them rule this forum as well!

Looks like someone's complaining about something they're rather obsessed about...
 
quietfanatic said:
Fellow NMA-ers, welcome to Cro-Report!

I think it is a good idea, but I challenge you to keep it going for more than two weeks. My experience is that most Americans, yes even Fallout fans, really don't care at all about other countries.

Croatia must be an interesting place to live. What will you try to do to improve things there, Mr socialist?

It's not just that. It seems the majority of people outside the US on the forums love American posts so that they can flame the bejeezus out of the rest of us about how horrible we are as Americans. After all, if we supposedly feel we are the best, every other country feels they have the given right to hate said country and summarize every problem and create a solution in 10 seconds.
 
Member of Khans said:
...and create a solution in 10 seconds.
You mean a solution that is more productive than "nuke them all"?

Well YOU are prepared, arent you? You are on a Fallout forum! Dont tell me I'm the ONLY one who dreamed about being a Vaultie...or ah..a BOS member...
 
13th anniversary of the Vukovar massacre

Today hundreds of Vukovar citizens gathered in memory of 18. November 1991, the day when Croatian city of Vukovar was captured by the Yugoslavian National Army (JNA) and the paramilitary forces of Serbian rebels. Thousands of Croats were killed in the battle of Vukovar, which is considered to be the key battle and the turning point of the Homeland War.

Vukovar, being one of the easternmost Croatian cities, situated on river Danube on the very border between Croatia and Serbia, represented one of the key points in Serbian conquest of eastern Croatia. The attack on Vukovar began on August 24, 1991. A town with 15,000 civilians and a handful of 2,000 poorly armed footsoldiers and policemen was surrounded and attacked by an overwhelming force of 50,000 heavily armed professional soldiers and 600 tanks. Even most optimistic analysts estimated Vukovar would fall within three days. However, they were wrong.

For three months Vukovar endured the endless Serbian aggression, for three months its defenders kept the enemy at bay through inhuman effort. With all escape and supply routes cut off and facing a force 25 times larger and infinitely more powerful, Croats defended Vukovar unrelentingly for three months, putting on one of the greatest, most epic battles in the history of warfare. Enemy losses were staggering - 15,000 Serbian soldiers were killed, 50 airplanes shot down, 300 APCs and 200 tanks destroyed! The defense of Vukovar broke the backbone of the Serbian army, rendering them incapacitated and incapable of staging any more large-scale operations for the duration of the war. Enraged and frustrated with their inability to crush such a small and insignificant town, JNA proceeded to pound the entire city to cinders. They indiscriminatingly fired their rockets, bombs and artillery at civilian objects, destroying countless residences, civic buildings (including the city hospital), shelters, museums, churches and just about any piece of infrastructure they could target. Nine out of every ten buildings in the city were destroyed to the ground!

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The road from Serbia to Vukovar came to be known as the Graveyard of Tanks.

On 18. November 1991 JNA finally entered Vukovar. By order of majors Mrksic and Sljivancanin, among Croats known as 'butchers of Vukovar', JNA rounded up all survivors, including the hospitalized civilians, took them outside the city, where they were brutally slaughtered or taken to concentration camps where they endured unspeakable torments. But taste of victory was bitter in their mouths, as Serbian army was weakened beyond recovery, its morale utterly broken and its ability to carry out the armed invasion of Croatia gone forever.

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As they marched into Vukovar, Serbs bore black flags and chanted a disgusting song that translates roughly into: "Slobodan [referring to Milosevic, president of Yugoslavia], send lettuce, there will be meat, we will slaughter Croats."

So ended the battle of Vukovar - in blood, tears and pride. Bulk of the enemy invasion force broke against Vukovar like an immense wave crashing into a rock. Defenders of Vukovar, though few and poorly armed, single-handedly stopped the third largest army in Europe and indebted Croatia forever. Of those 2,000 people, those 2,000 legends, barely a thousand lived to tell the tale of Vukovar, the hero town that is no more.

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This is what Vukovar looked like before the Serbian attack. The white sign spread over the street on the left picture says: "Tito - socialism - non-alignedness - self-management - peace"

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This is what Serbs managed to do to Vukovar after only three months. Note these two pictures depict same locations as the previous two, but after August 24.
 
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