Democracy sucks ass.

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by DirtyDreamDesigner, May 15, 2005.

  1. Ratty Sr.

    Ratty Sr. Ratty, except old Moderator Orderite

    Apr 23, 2003
    Oh, you were talking about Glavas. I agree, that man is an uneducated, primitive, vindictive, sadistic and homicidal barbarian and psychopath responsible for almost every bad thing that happened in eastern Slavonia in the past 15 years, including, but not limited to, corruption, war crimes, persecutions, defamations, nepotism, assassinations and just about any despicable deed anyone can imagine. His impressive resume contains incidents such as storming into a local TV station with a Kalashnykov to pressure them into becoming loud media advocates of his policies, removal of over 300 public officials and directors of state-owned firms using despicable and utterly unacceptable methods such as threats, blackmail, ostracizing, public defamation, arbitrary arrests and framed legal processes, sponsoring and even actively participating in collective thefts of every state-owned company that exists or has existed in Osijek county, wartime destruction and mass slaughter of populations of entire villages, orchestrating persecutions and murders of Osijek intellectuals, ordering assassination of wartime chief of police in Osijek, influencing outcomes of trials through violence and death threats, abusing members of parliament both verbally and physically, and many other criminal actions. But despite the fact that his modus operandi and lack of integrity have been well-known for years now and reliable evidence exists of his involvement in every scandal and every criminal activity attributed to him, he remains untouchable for judicial organs and popular among the public. His election victory is a slap in the face of democracy and legality, and anyone with slightest trace of reason and civil awareness would rather be caught naked in Elton John's bathroom than willingly vote for that murderous neofascist. However, it seems that all non-idiotic voters decided to stay home yesterday, so the fate of Osijek was determined by a small, but vocal minority of right-wing morons. Delenda est Carthago...
     
  2. megatron

    megatron A Smooth-Skin

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    Apr 17, 2003
    perhaps you should run for president then lol you write so many words its like whoa just take the first word of every sentence instead jeez
     
  3. Murdoch

    Murdoch Half-way Through My Half-life
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    Nov 24, 2003
    Fuck an A. There are three threads going on at once here.

    The topic of this thread is...Croatia, I guess. Stick to that topic and take everything else to another thread.

    And question, lay off the 'luuds, will you?
     
  4. the_move

    the_move First time out of the vault

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    May 16, 2005
    Neither USA nor any other state has a
    real democracy.

    Only a "direct democracy" is a real one.
    And maybe the only one working.
    The "parliamentary democracy" is too much affected
    by corruption. And it provides no real alternatives in
    case of election.

    How many powerful parties to you have in USA? Two?!
    Repuplican and Democrats?! Is there a huge difference them?!
    Not really?! Same goes to other political parties, coalitions
    and opposition in other countries with a "parliamentary
    democracy".

    "Money rules the world and policy is only a kind of business."
     
  5. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    Uhm...there're actually more countries that use direct representative democracy than the electoral college, like the USA. I don't think you can compare every country's parliament to that of the US like that
     
  6. Wooz

    Wooz Vault Sweeper Admin Orderite Board Cop oTO

    May 18, 2003
    'Direct democracy' is a bit difficult to apply to 300 million people.
     
  7. the_move

    the_move First time out of the vault

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    May 16, 2005
    Excuse me, but what is a "direct, represantative democracy".
    Both adjectives are controverse.

    Direct democracy means, the people rule. No representatives!
    And if there are representative in a direct democracy, they
    have to be strictly bound to the people's instructions unlike it is
    now, where they can do what ever them pleases to.

    The Swiss have some parts of a direct democracy as they have "referendum", but that's about it.
     
  8. the_move

    the_move First time out of the vault

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    As long as there is not as much money spent into advertisments
    as during the elections I think this can be done.

    Besides the elections are also applied to 300 million people.
    So they could also do a referendum in that size it seems,
    especially with much less prelude and advertising.
     
  9. DirtyDreamDesigner

    DirtyDreamDesigner Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 15, 2005
    You're missing the point which is even if you do have "direct democracy" you'd still get inbred, uneducated, illiterate assholes deciding who runs a country. It's happening more and more around the world.

    Stupid people should be prevented from voting or their influence on the said outcome should somehow be hindered!
     
  10. the_move

    the_move First time out of the vault

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    May 16, 2005
    Well, actually rich people rule this world. May they be dumb or
    not. One things for sure, most of them are greedy. The 3 Billion
    poorest people together have as much money as the 400 richest
    families. You maybe now see what power is held by so few.
    The industrials and shareholders of today are of the same kind
    like the monarchs at the french revolution. They lost the ground
    below they feet. Greed! That is the asshole, killing our societies.

    In case of stupid people voting, you know masses of people
    are considered stupid, while only individuals are considered
    being intelligent.
    I think at least that if the people of a country could directly
    decide about a political matter, there would be a larger group
    voting for the better way. Better for their country.
     
  11. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    Direct representative means the number of seats in the house of representatives is directly representative of the number of people voting for the person/party, whereas in America the number of seats are mostly representative of the numer of people in the State or, in case of the Senate, of the very existence of the State.

    Say Holland has 15 million people and a parliament of 150 people. If all people could and would vote (which isn't true), that'd mean 100,000 votes result in 1 seat.

    The difference between this and the American system, where no matter what the winner gets two seats in the Senate (for instance), should be obvious

    And don't double-post. Use edit.
     
  12. the_move

    the_move First time out of the vault

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    May 16, 2005
    Now comes the big question. Do those "direct" representatives
    really represent the will of those, which elected them?
    Those who made them a representative? Do they even have
    to? Are they forced to by law?

    I don´t think so, coz thinks would run differently then.
     
  13. DirtyDreamDesigner

    DirtyDreamDesigner Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 15, 2005
    I never said stupid people rule the world, I said that they decide the outcomes of a vote.

    So? That's exactly why stupid people shouldn't get so many votes.

    No there wouldn't. It would be the loudest group voting on topics they don't fully comprehend or for candidates they know nothing of except that they have nice suits and a nice smile. Smart people often refrain from voting because they (correctly) recognise all candidates and/or political options to be flawed and/or corrupt thus refusing to choose a lesser of two evils. See where I'm going with this? Stupid people do the voting, evil people do the ruling. And you can't force smart people to vote, if you did it wouldn't be democracy.
     
  14. the_move

    the_move First time out of the vault

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    May 16, 2005
    Well then, maybe humanity in generell is not ripe for
    policy, according to your remarks.

    Anyway, I still have the opinion, that a real direct democracy
    is the better way.
     
  15. DirtyDreamDesigner

    DirtyDreamDesigner Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 15, 2005
    I know that it isn't.
     
  16. megatron

    megatron A Smooth-Skin

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    Apr 17, 2003
    perhaps you dont understand humanity the way me and the move do dirtydreamdesigner. are you saying tsunami was stupid huh? do you want nature to rule the world? well go hug a tree mate, democracy has no room for anarchists.
     
  17. the_move

    the_move First time out of the vault

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    May 16, 2005
    Well then! Do you also know the people, who are already
    intelligent enough to do policy?
    Or what alternative do you see?
    As for me, I do not like neither monarchy nor dictatorship.
    Germany already ran through a dictatorship not a while back
    and we all know what became to the monarchs in france.
    Greedy, then headless!
    And what the monarchs where in the past,
    the "bourgeouis" have become now at the present.

    And I do not like the thought to live under such regencies, either.
     
  18. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    Of course they have to.

    Every seat represents the mean of the will of the 100,000 people that voted for the person sitting in it. Makes sense, doesn't it? Since you can't represent every voice individually, you just represent the averages of the voices.

    But a direct democracy implies everyone has to decide on every small issue. Do you even comprehend what that entails?
     
  19. megatron

    megatron A Smooth-Skin

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    Apr 17, 2003
    of course i do. thats called COMMUNISM!

    why cant there be a middleground where theres people in power but you could like choose them or something
     
  20. the_move

    the_move First time out of the vault

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    May 16, 2005
    Not here in Germany. Here they are not bound to any instructions
    of their voters. Only to their own conscience! This is fixed
    in the law.

    Yes! A lot of referendums. But the small parts regarding a
    community should become a federal issue.