DRM and You! Thread

[Sorrow]

Also, no, this is not really true. Piracy is huge in China and Russia because of a lack of copyright laws and enforcement, which means the market is wide open for pirated copies.

And where it isn't?

You can't just open shops selling pirated wares in most countries that have functional copyright laws. You can in China.

People pay for pirated games O_o ? The only reason anyone would do it that I can think of is that they can't afford an Internet connection, which kinda eliminates them as game buyers.

How old are you?

25, which is irrelevant as it's 2010, not 2004.

Then they wouldn't be able to download patches for unfinished games and sometimes would be unable to activate them.

Umm, so? It's better than not having ANY game, right? Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "not being able to get patches", I've seen very few with actual protection on them. Activation has never been a problem until SF rolled about because SURPRISE! pirated games have NOCD included.

I was talking about the buyers of original games. If they don't have high-speed internets, they can't patch their unfiinished games and if they don't have access to the internets, they can't even activate them.

 

[Crni Vuk]

not to mention what happens when many of the online servers for this games are out for what ever reason ( i heard that happens sometimes ...)

 

[Ausdoerrt]

I was talking about the buyers of original games. If they don't have high-speed internets, they can't patch their unfiinished games and if they don't have access to the internets, they can't even activate them.

...which is why imho any DRM requiring an internet connection is bullshit. I can tolerate if it has other options though. Patches are not so much of a problem (as long as companies stop releasing unplayable half-baked games like they do in the last few years).

Also, another interesting aspect of limited-number-of-installs DRM I have recently came across on the internets. Limited number of installs pretty much destroys options for modding a game, especially outside official tools (or if tools are unavailable). If you fuck up the game (which I hear happens regularly), then you need to re-install, and when you do you lose # of installs which the game company isn't necessarily going to be willing to restore to you, if used in that way.

 

[Crni Vuk]

well I decided to avoid such games if it has this form of DRM. And I mean completely avoiding it. If it happens that I dont play anymore games in the end (I am sure there are still smaller games out there), so be it. Live is anyway to short to spend it just infront of the PC.

I hope more people will speak with their wallet. Thats the only language they understand.

 

[Jack The Knife]

Re: Bioshock 2's DRM Onion

This promotes piracy.
I distinctly remember wanting to become a pirate back then.


I think intrusive DRMs promote piracy, and I think cumbersome piracy promotes buying games.
It's truly an evil circle. If not spiral.

I hate having to run programs in the background while playing.
Though, I have to admit, Steam is not as bad as I thought it would be.

Online content is the way to go.

Ubisoft can go fuck themselves. I guess I'm not playing the new Settlers, then.

Do we think that it's the one system that God has sent onto earth that will never be cracked by anybody ever? We can't guarantee that, but we believe in it.

When you compare them to the mormons they're not half bad


That said, my Arcanum download just finished. GOG ftw!
Keep them DRMs and religions away from me!

 

[Ausdoerrt]

Frankly, and DRM that requires you to be connected to the Internet while playing, at any time for any reason, is retarded.

There has to be a happy middle ground in the DRM-spiral. That, or it'll hit the bottom. If this keeps going, more and more people will be excluded from being able legally (if at all) to play certain games.

 

[Crni Vuk]

the bigest issue is that with this kind of DRM pirates will see more support from usual consumers as they see it not anymore as thefts but as a form of "rebells". What ever one might think fact is that piracy is a form of crime (how big the crime is is another question). And the bigest threat I see from to obtrusive DRM is that now people that usualy would buy a game might move to the next Bitorent source eventualy never looking back ...