Elections in Russia

Crappy?

Yes, I suppose so, most of them didn't really try to understand "what the hell?" but just copied whatever AP said. That's usually the case of a number of regions in the world, though, including Russia, the Middle East and most of Africa. Be careful what you read.
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I mean that American, European, British and generally western press seems to have surprisingly low standards regarding their Russian coverage. Actually, you are more likely to find some attempts to understand whats going in in Iranian newspaper.

I stopped reading western press entirely few months ago, when I realized that I'm ready to go on the streets to bash those ugly, wife-beating, freedom-hating bastards that fail to gasp the concept of human rights, market economy and democracy who have the lowest average IQ in the eastern hemisphere.

Incidentally, I noticed that no one really writes about the dire state of minorities here. Uzbek, Tajik, Kyrgyz are providing slave labor and dying in literally thousands every week in Moscow alone. I got a colorful sight of some Uzbek construction worker looking in a window of the ITAR-TASS building at the pictures of children skiing. Well.

Dunno if I wrote it out here before, but long story short; the Russian industry, as inherited from Soviet times, does not have the profitability to have a net amount of added value to products in the economic loop. This means that in any normal economic circumstances all those companies and factories are bankrupt by definition.
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I actually don't know a thing about the economy.

Debt is not a good thing, that doesn't mean it's smart to sanitize your own debts by definition. If you're an unprofitable company, like Russia's economy is, your priority should be to become profitable and then pay back your debts, because otherwise you'll just exacerbate the problem.
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My point was that while it was probably a bad decision, it was definitely a good sign. People often forget, that short seven years ago Russia wasn't bad, it was dead. The fact that we now have a smart populist politician is a miracle by itself. Besides, I think you are overestimating Putin's obsession with this debt-thing.

I always figured people just say "komrad" because they can't twist their tongue around tovarishch.

But my university subject is Russian Studies. Russian history, law, economics and politics and, to a minor extent, language. I should damned well at least know basic political terms like the highly popularized (thanks V.I.!) "kto kogo"
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Oh, sorry, I just have a really hard time verbalizing it in English. By "own terms" I meant "не находясь под влиянием каких-то социальных и культурных стереотипов, которые, судя по масс-медиа, процветают на западе".

I participated in several community-projects with significant portion of Russian population and I really get a lot of the crap from people, from stereotyping and minor racial slurs to blunt racism. Though, strangely enough, in my experience the most most generally hated and misunderstood nation is the French. :shock: It's really hard not only to explain some complicated issues, but most basic things, like the fact that we don't really have the word "comrade" in our language (for that matter "tovarishch" means something different).

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Ain't Freedom House one of those stupid fucking wussie organizations, that paint red all nations they don't like and then whine in numerous The Economist articles that no one wants to hear their invaluable insights in the matter?

Seriously, Russia has a crapload of problems, but "not free" is just pushing to too far.
 
liberty rogue said:
I mean that American, European, British and generally western press seems to have surprisingly low standards regarding their Russian coverage. Actually, you are more likely to find some attempts to understand whats going in in Iranian newspaper.
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Yes, I know, I was agreeing. It's not as bad as you're painting it, but Western media tends to just project certain images on certain regions of the world, most noticeably Russia, Africa and the Middle East.

You just have to be careful who and what you read. Like I said, I prefer the International Herald Tribune, they have solid-to-great coverage of most regions and really insightful opinion pieces.

liberty rogue said:
Incidentally, I noticed that no one really writes about the dire state of minorities here. Uzbek, Tajik, Kyrgyz are providing slave labor and dying in literally thousands every week in Moscow alone. I got a colorful sight of some Uzbek construction worker looking in a window of the ITAR-TASS building at the pictures of children skiing. Well.
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Is it that bad, really? I'm aware of some of the ethnic issues of Russia, but didn't know it had got that far. Is that just an urban thing or is that also true in the more independent sub-regions of Russia (in the Caucasus and Far East)?

liberty rogue said:
I actually don't know a thing about the economy.
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What...literally?

liberty rogue said:
My point was that while it was probably a bad decision, it was definitely a good sign. People often forget, that short seven years ago Russia wasn't bad, it was dead.
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It wasn't that bad. The state still was still solvent, and after the rubl crisis the signs of progression were kind of automatic anyway.

Good signs are meaningless.

liberty rogue said:
Besides, I think you are overestimating Putin's obsession with this debt-thing.
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Am I? Perhaps. I see a politician focusing on only one side of economic policy while ignoring much-needed reforms. I call 'em as I see 'em.

liberty rogue said:
Oh, sorry, I just have a really hard time verbalizing it in English. By "own terms" I meant "не находясь под влиянием каких-то социальных и культурных стереотипов, которые, судя по масс-медиа, процветают на западе".
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Oh, that. Well, I've lived in Russia for a short time, and again, I study it. Stereotypes usually break up under information about reality.

liberty rogue said:
Though, strangely enough, in my experience the most most generally hated and misunderstood nation is the French.
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Not really. The French are a subject of stereotyping, but, especially within the EU, it's very good-natured mocking, basic camaraderie.

Sub-Sahara Africa is probably the most misunderstood and stereotyped region of the world. Though I don't know enough about that region myself to know.

liberty rogue said:
:shock: It's really hard not only to explain some complicated issues, but most basic things, like the fact that we don't really have the word "comrade" in our language (for that matter "tovarishch" means something different).
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Because the literal translation of "comrade" is камрад, or what? I am unaware of this...

You're incorrect in one way, though. Right after the word tovarishch was adapted in usage by the RSFSR, the word "comrade" was adapted as a honorific by comrades in Western Europe & the US. That means the colloquial usage of the words is identical, in context, even if the literal translation isn't the same.
 
liberty rogue said:
Seriously, Russia has a crapload of problems, but "not free" is just pushing to too far.
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That might be because of the western definition of freedom. The twisted definition that is.

Neamos said:
99% percent of Checheniya has voted according to Kadyrov, which is the fishiest thing so far.
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Well, if you give the right to vote only to the 1000 military personnel that live in the region, and about 10 of them are sick, you most probably get 99% voting rate... :P And it's all legal in every nation in the western world as everyone else can be declared as war prisoner (for example by the president), so they don't have the right to vote, after all, we are in war against terror. :P
 
Ahaha, I gedit, cuz there are no free elections in russia and putin (who is hitler)(and ex-kgb) made it into a soviet state (putin is worse than stalin)

(ex-KGB!!!)(putin did 04/01-03 never forget)


Get out.

Micheal 2% Kasjanov faked some signatures to get in the presidential elections. I kinda thought they were trying to be spring clean, but nooo.
 
I love how Kasparov constantly refers to Putin's government as "the KGB regime".

Lulz Kasparov. You seem to be doing rather well under a KGB regime.
 
Yay, my post didn't get dipped.

I love how Kasparov constantly refers to Putin's government as "the KGB regime".
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I sometimes think he's just a troll forced to take away western funding and support from real opposition, in a radio show I lost the link to he said something like:

"Amеricans dоn't knоw whаt Russiа is likе, bеcause Mr. Bush is а greаt friend of Putin, hе cаlls him a leader of а demоcrаcy, but Russia is а pоlice stаte, in Russiа thе president ignоres thе cоnstitution, hе dоesn't cаre abоut humаn rights at all, the gоvernment illеgally spiеs оn its citizеns, Аmericans just cаn't imagine whаt it is like."

I liked B. Fischer better.


\/\/\/ Those damn girmins always tryin' to be startin' dem cold wars!
 
Wasteland Stories said:
Yes. The same situation now - 1917+8 = NEP time; 2000+8 = Putin regime. Hmm... 2015 seems to be KGB regime.
Identical tendencies.
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oh please, tell me you don't believe in this numbers shit. do you?
History's repeating, yes. But not that way...

I agree with Kasparov's words about police state btw.
The strange thing is that many things are done without any orders from above. People are afraid to do smth wrong against the one who's got the power, they remember what that led to. So they try to 'predict' what their almighty leader will want and try to please him.
 
Any of you watched Russia Today TV station? If not, do it. This'll give you an example how the current russian goverment works.

In other words - Praise Putin and trick people into thinking Putin is the shizt and humanity's last and best hope.

Still unconvinced? Take a look at their war with "terrorism", like Bieslan. Fuckers from Spetznaz (or whatever it's called) killed children only because they were in the way. Anything to get the terrorist's killed.

What I am saying is not that the election is faked, but that people are manipulated hard. Russia is a post comunistic country, which means their common people aren't, uh, very into democracy stuff you know. Not that they want comunism back, but it'll take some years to change their outlook on politics (Lots of them still think Lenin\Stalin were saint, though it's the older part of the society)

Believe me, I live in Poland, which is in a very similar situation (fortunatly ours is slightly better, cause there aren't any real threats to democracy), as our economy and scholarship crumbled over the years of comunism, leaving us with little amount of people capable of creating a democracy like Germany has.
 
Brother None said:
I love how Kasparov constantly refers to Putin's government as "the KGB regime".

Lulz Kasparov. You seem to be doing rather well under a KGB regime.
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he says those things to get media attention. or so he told me.

he's fully aware that he's using hyperboles, but it's one of the only ways to get western media attention.
 
Still unconvinced? Take a look at their war with "terrorism", like Bieslan. Fuckers from Spetznaz (or whatever it's called) killed children only because they were in the way. Anything to get the terrorist's killed.
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oh lawd, so my post wasn't a hyperbole at all.

he says those things to get media attention. or so he told me.

he's fully aware that he's using hyperboles, but it's one of the only ways to get western media attention.
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Did he tell you why he's trying to get western media's attention and not the people's of the country the dummy is trying to start a r[EVOL]ution in?
 
Did you guys read the rest of this thread?

Because I'm getting a little tired of repeating myself, and seeing the same arguments come by over and over.
 
So for now the candidates are
Andrei Bogdanov, who no one takes seriously,
Zyuganov, who needs to realize he's in the XXI century (also he might be the Kremlin's bitch)
Zhirinovskyj (our scientists have invented a device that will submerge the whole America!)
And Dmitrij of the Bears.

Say what you will, but again, it's the oppositions fault for being bickering, mumbling retards and not having a single, strong, SANE candidate with a concrete agenda.
 
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