Fallout 3 at E3 - Gamehelper

My question to Todd would actually be "What the fuck are you smoking?".
Has he been taking immaturity lessons from Chuck or what? I know he's always been a bit of a tosser, but now.. yeesh.
 
and in is an upgraded dialogue system more akin to your Mass Effect.
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God I hope that's not like that and he got it wrong, just listen to this thing on Mass Effect and dialog, from Joystick:

They aren't exactly what your character will say, they're more like the gist of it. We tried to piss the people we encountered off, but no one took great offense. One woman we encountered really wanted to tag along with us, and although we tried as hard as we could to dissuade her, the last talk menu we were offered with her was something like, "Sure", "Go ahead", and "Okay". No, "Get lost!" option, so she must be important to the mission.
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“We had just made Daggerfall (1996) – so we were very into our elves and swords and such”, explains Todd Howard, “and then along comes Fallout. We all start playing and we’re like – have you seen this thing? They’ve got dip switches for violence – all this crazy sh—t. And then Fallout 2 came out the next year. It kinda became this ‘when are they gonna make another Fallout? We loved the series! And then the crack began – ah, we should do it! I was like – yeah, that’d be cool…[…]
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Wh-? Why is this guy in charge of anything, seriously? I mean I've said some dumb shit before but that was just moronic.
 
I'm not looking forward to Fallout 3....but I really have to ask, "What do you guys want?"

There's a whole lot of bitching and moaning about what isn't right. So, what is it you guys want from Fallout 3? I'm just wondering because even though I want Fallout 3 to be Van-Buren, turn-based, isometric, and all the other good stuff from the previous Fallout games, it isn't a realistic expectation.

Are the developers at Bethesda really the Fallout fans they claim to be? Yeah, I think some are. However, they're not going to recreate the Fallout we know because it comes down to one thing....PROFITS. Is the only thing that they care about money? No, I think they care about the Fallout franchise and want to faithfully recreate it, but they need to make profits because they are a fucking business. Boohoo, sad fact, deal with it. One of their target audiences is todays youth (which is ironic because the game will probably be rated 'M' but those bastards as Bethesda know that kids will be able to get their hands on it) and today's youth as many of us know can't get enough body parts, rockets, and Master Chief's flying all over the screen.

There are shareholders and other sources of funding that are expecting returns, and if there are no returns then that means less or no future funding. The reason why people like Todd and Pete say Fallout 3 is going to be fucking rOXOrz! is because 1) they really think it is and 2) if they diss the game that they're working on, then they will be fired. Hell, if I was in their position I wouldn't want to lose my job.

My 2 cents. Thank you.

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And before you guys start to rape me and tell me to give Bethesda a blowjob, I personally think Bethesda makes POS games like Morrowind and Oblivion, and I'm not looking forward to Fallout 3. So, please don't tell me I'm a Bethfan.
 
Even though these things are based off the same demo (and preview I guess), there always seems to be some new shit we have to endure. This time around it's mentioning Jackass when talking about funny violence in Fallout. Wow, just wow.

I also like how the article tries to say that we should be happy because APs and targetting are still in the game! Never mind how they are implemented/used. Calling them APs at all just seems like a weak attempt to try and connect the game with the older games.

Another thing that I really think sucks, is that I quite honestly looked forward to Bethesda making the East Coast "their own". I thought that was an area of the game where Bethesda were quite free to bring their own agendas, factions etc etc into the game and having a fresh outlook. Instead they have ripped out most of what I actually want to see in a sequel, and kept things that I don't want to see (like the return of BoS).

The whole idea of the setting (not the visual look) of the game, and the "players" in it is where I thought Bethesda had the most freedom really to make the game their own so to speak, but I guess it's easier to come up with (or repeat from their older games) stupid game mechanics, than to have the writers come up with something fresh.

Are the developers at Bethesda really the Fallout fans they claim to be? Yeah, I think some are. However, they're not going to recreate the Fallout we know because it comes down to one thing....PROFITS. Is the only thing that they care about money? No, I think they care about the Fallout franchise and want to faithfully recreate it, but they need to make profits because they are a fucking business. Boohoo, sad fact, deal with it.
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People are dealing with it. What do you want us to do, just shut up about the fact that we feel Bethesda are raping a franchise a lot of us has stuck with for 10 years.
Bethesda were not forced to buy Fallout. What do you want us to say? They bought Fallout, it was their choice. Are we supposed to pardon Bethesda for the fact that they bought it and are now planning to change it into something far more action-oriented.
They could've developed their own PA game.

They bought it, they got the baggage that came with.
 
Plissken said:
I'm not looking forward to Fallout 3....but I really have to ask, "What do you guys want?"

There's a whole lot of bitching and moaning about what isn't right. So, what is it you guys want from Fallout 3? I'm just wondering because even though I want Fallout 3 to be Van-Buren, turn-based, isometric, and all the other good stuff from the previous Fallout games, it isn't a realistic expectation.
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I can't speak for all people here but I think that the majority of NMA users would be happy with finished Van Buren. I don't see how this would be unrealistic. Sure, JUST finishing Van Buren may not be enough to some people but the idea is still the same- turn-based, isometric, Fallout game.
 
Plissken said:
Boohoo, sad fact, deal with it.
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Heh :) .
The saddest thing about this is that they call themselves "fans", but have no respect for Fallout. If they would, they would create their own post-apo franchise.

BTW.
I want <s>GURPS</s> S.P.E.C.I.A.L Fantasy/Space/Time Travel or whatever, but not Fallout 3.
I think that general idea of making Fallout series is a bad idea - mean every next game is worse in recreating the Fallout setting and every game is less fresh.
 
They weren't forced to buy the license, but they wanted to because there were probably some people at Bethesda who wanted to faithfully make a new one. However, creative control is always in various hands. When working in a team with profit greedy CEO's watching over you, an individual cannot demand that Fallout be whatever he wants it to be.

NMA is one of the many target audiences that Fallout 3 is for. Bethesda, a business, will not make games for NMA users. That is unrealistic. You cannot expect a business to say, "Hey guys, let's make a game specifically for hardcore Fallout fans! Fuck the other audiences that will bring in lots of money!
Also, consider the technical aspects. Personally I think turn-based, isometric games are not an outdated form of gameplay. It is simply one form of gameplay, and I believe there is still a big market for it. The only reason why it is considered outdated is because the game industry has socially constructed it to be. The game industry has glorified the bloom and 3d graphics and the trend is to create bigger and better graphics. We grew up with pixels and sprites. That is what we're used to. But the younger generation was born with polygons. That is all that they know.
 
Plissken said:
They weren't forced to buy the license, but they wanted to because there were probably some people at Bethesda who wanted to faithfully make a new one. However, creative control is always in various hands. When working in a team with profit greedy CEO's watching over you, an individual cannot demand that Fallout be whatever he wants it to be.

NMA is one of the many target audiences that Fallout 3 is for. Bethesda, a business, will not make games for NMA users. That is unrealistic. You cannot expect a business to say, "Hey guys, let's make a game specifically for hardcore Fallout fans! Fuck the other audiences that will bring in lots of money!
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There are two very simple reasons why this is a bullshit argument:
1) Aiming a product at a bigger market is not the same as producing more sales. Biggest common denominator games already exist a shitload, and that market is pretty much filled. The traditional RPG market a la Fallout, however, is a market that is wide open and would guarantee a shitload more sales.
2) If you're going to ignore the fans, then why did you pay a lot of money for the license? Could've just named the game 'Bethesda's post-apocalyptic adventure' and sold just as much.


Plissken said:
Also, consider the technical aspects. Personally I think turn-based, isometric games are not an outdated form of gameplay. It is simply one form of gameplay, and I believe there is still a big market for it. The only reason why it is considered outdated is because the game industry has socially constructed it to be. The game industry has glorified the bloom and 3d graphics and the trend is to create bigger and better graphics. We grew up with pixels and sprites. That is what we're used to. But the younger generation was born with polygons. That is all that they know.
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3d graphics do not in any way conflict with an isometric viewpoint.
 
Sander said:
2) If you're going to ignore the fans, then why did you pay a lot of money for the license? Could've just named the game 'Bethesda's post-apocalyptic adventure' and sold just as much.
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To loose 5M bucks and win 10. That's plain 5M for them, although they could have 10 following the path you mentioned.

You know, I find it to be a kind of black humor - that Bethesda simply doesn't know what they're doing. However, it's sad at the same time. Actually pathetic.

Organic errors. The worst.
 
Mentats said:
“We had just made Daggerfall (1996) – so we were very into our elves and swords and such”, explains Todd Howard, “and then along comes Fallout. We all start playing and we’re like – have you seen this thing? They’ve got dip switches for violence – all this crazy sh—t. And then Fallout 2 came out the next year. It kinda became this ‘when are they gonna make another Fallout? We loved the series! And then the crack began – ah, we should do it! I was like – yeah, that’d be cool…[…]
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Wh-? Why is this guy in charge of anything, seriously? I mean I've said some dumb shit before but that was just moronic.
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Ya, after reading that I've pretty much realized what he refers to when he said he was a fan of fallout. He's not a fan of fallout, what he IS a fan of is that feeling little kids get when they get to play with weapons, or when a kid first discovers he likes playing with fire. You know like back when we were all immature and enjoyed things that were violent just because it was violent.. except he's still stuck at that phase..
 
Just wow... The growing stupidity demonstrated in these previews isn't even amusing anymore.

And in almost every one of these news threads there's someone saying that all that the people here do is bitching, without actually defining what Fallout is and how Fallout3 should be. As was commonly said in usenet, lurk before you leap.
 
quote: what he IS a fan of is that feeling little kids get when they get to play with weapons, or when a kid first discovers he likes playing with fire. You know like back when we were all immature and enjoyed things that were violent just because it was violent.. except he's still stuck at that phase..

which somehow perfectly coincides with the average age of the target audience, in my opinion :)
 
Hello, long time lurker here, first post.

I've been visiting this site on a daily basis since I heard about FO3, and I gotta say this site is amazing, there are loads of sources of information on the game and many varying opinions and discussions. I gotta say I am absolutely psyched for FO3 and before you write me off as a Bethfanboy or a child who loves "NUKLEAR EXPLOSHONS" let me give you some of my personal history with the Fallout series. I've played FO1&2 repeatedly over the years and loved it each time, and I seriously hated both Morrowind and Oblivion.

Why am I psyched then, you ask? Well from what I've gathered in reading each and every review and press release linked from this site I think the atmosphere of the fallout world and the immersion remains intact. So there are no groin shots and eye shots, yes this will be missed. No hookers to pay for sex, sad I agree. No isometric view, well I'm not so bummed about that and I'll tell you why. If I wanted all those things I'd play FO1 or 2 again, which I'm actually doing (FO2 right now). As much as they may have spurned all the "hard core" fans out there, they haven't spurned this one. It's post-apoc, it's dark, it's immersive and it offers many endings and choices to get there. Those are the things that I love(d) about Fallout and I believe those are the things that will drive me to play FO3 time and time again.

The V.A.T.S system does sound a bit off-putting but at the same time I think they may pull it off, to tell the truth I'm looking forward to the action aspect and the FP view, I think it'll add a whole lot to the feeling of actually being there and surviving in a post-apoc world, which has been an obsession of mine for nearly a decade. Well I think I had more to say, but I got shit to do at the moment and I'm sure no one has actually read this far lol.
 
Let's see... you've mentioned that you think it'll be great because you've wanted action and First-Person for a long time..... go play some FPS?
and there's that word again, immersion,... sigh
 
personally i see per's statement in these terms (although i could always be wrong iand wouldn't want to be accused of putting words in his mouth)

beth's rationale for fp seems to be the that it adds "immersion" which is lacking in iso. now as F1 and F2 were iso it's not a great leap to assume that if you agree with beth's vision on this, the originals were not "immersive"

(oh and i suppose you could also take it into the realms of the core design debate as well as the severe deviations from established lore etc)
 
BloodNinja said:
Hello, long time lurker here, first post.

I've been visiting this site on a daily basis since I heard about FO3, and I gotta say this site is amazing, there are loads of sources of information on the game and many varying opinions and discussions. I gotta say I am absolutely psyched for FO3 and before you write me off as a Bethfanboy or a child who loves "NUKLEAR EXPLOSHONS" let me give you some of my personal history with the Fallout series. I've played FO1&2 repeatedly over the years and loved it each time, and I seriously hated both Morrowind and Oblivion.
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This doesn't make sense. You loved FOs and hated Morrowind/Oblivion and you're happy because bethesda is turning Fallout into more oblivion-like game than Fallout game?

I think the atmosphere of the fallout world and the immersion remains intact. So there are no groin shots and eye shots, yes this will be missed. No hookers to pay for sex, sad I agree. No isometric view
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Wow, all this + nuclear explosions wherever you fart and they still managed to make the Fallout atmosphere... beth's talents are second to none!

If I wanted all those things I'd play FO1 or 2 again, which I'm actually doing (FO2 right now).
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Pretty much but it's sad that Fallout fans who want to play Fallout game will have to play F1 and 2 when there's F3, huh?

It's post-apoc
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Yet you still are nuking everything.

it's dark
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With all that bloom? ~~
it's immersive
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Key-word.

it offers many endings and choices to get there.
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Choices and consequences... quoting one of the FO devs about oblivion's freedom- "don't like this quest? Don't do it! Don't like this sword? Use another one!"
Yay!
 
The Todd, again proving how immature he is and that he totally didn't get what Fallout really is about. (nukular, swear-words and mindless violence and not to forget utterly stupid violence related humour?)

Awesome.
 
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