Fallout 3 at E3 - Gametactics.com interview

[xdarkyrex]

:/ well tradition failed megaton.

I agree that in most cases, people would end up understanding a little bit about the history of the world, but their grasp would be limited and not everyone. When survival is your number one priority, you tend to live in the now.

Horseshit. People always remember the past, especially when that past includes nearly destroying the entire world. Just because people are focused on one thing doesn't mean they suddenly forget everything else.

I digress, even in modern society where we don't spend our daily lives considering if we are going to live or die, we have shit history IQs.

http://hnn.us/articles/1732.html

Now remove all information infrastructures and education systems, and you got a word of mouth system that makes things get real different in 200 years.

I'll pick out one of the better excerpts for you.

http://hnn.us/readcomment.php?id=33004#33004
Ignorance of History in GB
The British are a nation of history dunces with many believing Adolf Hitler never existed, a new survey has revealed.

 

[Per]

Then add the gradual emergence of Vault people into the world?

 

[Sorrow]

200 years is a long time. But people regressing into primitive states doesn't fit Fallout's world.

Vipers, anyone?

 

[xdarkyrex]

Then add the gradual emergence of Vault people into the world?

That would be a large factor, but I don't know how to consider it.

At the very least, The idiocy of Megaton is hardly far fetched, more its just pathetic how dumb people can be.

I mean, think of tribals from fallout 2 for gods sake.
They've COMPLETELY regressed.

Or are we considering them a mistake?
I dunno, I thought tribals were a good idea also... so maybe that just says something about my stance?

 

[Sorrow]

I liked the idea of tribals - a similar idea was used in Canticle for Leibowitz. The main problem is that in game the inhabitants of Arroyo are portrayed as nomads - they live in tents, while they should be living in houses, because they aren't nomads.

 

[xdarkyrex]

Yeah, I'm not claiming all of mankind is idiotic, and I bet a good majority understands a nuke.

But there are bound to be pockets of people with varying levels of knowledge, and some that are regressed massively.

I just put Megaton in the same group as the people of Arroyo, except they worship the nuke because thats what their tradition dictates.

Kinda like how people worship Jesus 2000 years later and with all the scientific discoveries we have.

 

[Joe Kremlin]

It's not like it's completely cut off from other civilization. That guy in the bar who pays you to set off the nuke was a visitor to the town.

 

[Brother None]

I just put Megaton in the same group as the people of Arroyo, except they worship the nuke because thats what their tradition dictates.

Yeah, because nobody understand what the nuke is would really explain how the sheriff can give you a quest to disarm it and Mr Burke can tell you to arm it. Because that's what people with no concept of bombs do, give people quests to (dis)arm them.



Also, I seem to remember there was only one guy in Megaton worshipping da bomb.

 

[Vault 69er]

If people were really going to make a religion out of a nuke, they'd build a temple or church around it.
I mean hell if they're copying Beneath the Planet of the Apes they might as well go all the way. Have a Cathedral of the Bomb and a Nuclear Pope instead of a sheriff.

 

[Per]

They have a Temple of the Servants of the Mushroom Cloud in Wasteland. With their HQ in an old nuclear power plant and fairly radioactive members. And then you wantonly slaughter them all and take their Fruit. *sniff* It's beautiful.

 

[xdarkyrex]

It's not like it's completely cut off from other civilization. That guy in the bar who pays you to set off the nuke was a visitor to the town.

But if they were already set in their ways before they made contact with another community...

Yeah, because nobody understand what the nuke is would really explain how the sheriff can give you a quest to disarm it and Mr Burke can tell you to arm it. Because that's what people with no concept of bombs do, give people quests to (dis)arm them.

That is kind of ridiculous, but maybe he has just discovered it recently or something else of that nature?

Also, I seem to remember there was only one guy in Megaton worshipping da bomb.

I think you're right too, I can't really explain that (and unless I can rationalize everything in game I get annoyed). Let's hope Beths writers are more clever than I am, hmm?

 

[Mura]

in contrast to this i remember there was a FOT mission with some ghouls and a warhead which made a lot more sense then this ... since the ghouls were very old and demented it was quite funny and a bit more rational ... even if just a bit

[...]Also, I seem to remember there was only one guy in Megaton worshipping da bomb.

I'm willing to bet the first thing he says to the player is "I am Defcon, son of T-minus!"

Well I wouldn't really mind, the "NukePope" and his pose in FOT weren't to bad.

You know the saying "Rather copy something decent, then make something crappy yourself."

I just wish they would've done that a lot more often.

 

[Tora]

I digress, even in modern society where we don't spend our daily lives considering if we are going to live or die, we have shit history IQs.

http://hnn.us/articles/1732.html

Now remove all information infrastructures and education systems, and you got a word of mouth system that makes things get real different in 200 years.

I'll pick out one of the better excerpts for you.

http://hnn.us/readcomment.php?id=33004#33004
Ignorance of History in GB
The British are a nation of history dunces with many believing Adolf Hitler never existed, a new survey has revealed.

That's because they're not living with the RESULTS of it in PLAIN SIGHT right AROUND them. Gee there must not have been a crazy war that caused all this wasteland ALL AROUND US and all these crazy zones of radiation, destroyed structures and such all be natural occurances.

 

[xdarkyrex]

That's because they're not living with the RESULTS of it in PLAIN SIGHT right AROUND them. Gee there must not have been a crazy war that caused all this wasteland ALL AROUND US and all these crazy zones of radiation, destroyed structures and such all be natural occurances.

Read the rest of my posts in the thread

Like I said, this is Platos allegory of the cave, except this time there is no way to find the old world.

All they've got is what they see, and they don't understand what the old world was, or how it looks.
That gives them the easy ignorance to shrug off knowing about their history without a way of formally passing it down. Word of mouth won't stay accurate or allow enough info over 200 years... thats like 8 or 10 generations!

 

[Tora]

That's because they're not living with the RESULTS of it in PLAIN SIGHT right AROUND them. Gee there must not have been a crazy war that caused all this wasteland ALL AROUND US and all these crazy zones of radiation, destroyed structures and such all be natural occurances.

Read the rest of my posts in the thread

Like I said, this is Platos allegory of the cave, except this time there is no way to find the old world.

All they've got is what they see, and they don't understand what the old world was, or how it looks.
That gives them the easy ignorance to shrug off knowing about their history without a way of formally passing it down. Word of mouth won't stay accurate or allow enough info over 200 years... thats like 8 or 10 generations!

I did read the rest of your posts. Except you're ignoring the fact that this is what? 30 years after FO2? so unless somehow everyone in FO3 has been closed off from the rest of the world, your analogy doesn't work. Look at vault city for example, you're going to tell me there's no formal way of passing down history there? Or the ghouls, they are LIVING relics of the past. So yes, I find it hard to believe... especially if people have still maintained the knowledge for using all these pre-war tech that just happen to be lying around.

 

[xdarkyrex]

I did read the rest of your posts. Except you're ignoring the fact that this is what? 30 years after FO2? so unless somehow everyone in FO3 has been closed off from the rest of the world, your analogy doesn't work. Look at vault city for example, you're going to tell me there's no formal way of passing down history there? Or the ghouls, they are LIVING relics of the past. So yes, I find it hard to believe... especially if people have still maintained the knowledge for using all these pre-war tech that just happen to be lying around.

Ever heard of Arroyo?

 

[Tora]

Ever heard of Arroyo?

Did you see them use high-tech weapons or maintain knowledge of arming/disarming nukes there?

In fact the only "high-tech" thing in that place was the vault-dweller's stuff.

Hardly comparable to the second largest city in FO3

 

[xdarkyrex]

Ever heard of Arroyo?

Did you see them use high-tech weapons or maintain knowledge of arming/disarming nukes there?

In fact the only "high-tech" thing in that place was the vault-dweller's stuff.

Hardly comparable to the second largest city in FO3

But the point is that this city is something more like the hubologists and arroyo combined.

 

[Tora]

But the point is that this city is something more like the hubologists and arroyo combined.

Where did you get that impression from? based on what I've read I'd figure the place to be more of a redding-style town except larger or whatever. And you're forgetting the fact that it spawned because the nuke was there, or so the previews I've read have led me to believe anyway. If a community spawns around something, chances are you'll have stories passed down about that something. Even if word of mouth is not that great, I would still find it hard to believe that people would forget the fact that this bomb thingy in town can go boom, and not just the regular boom, but a big-giant horrible boom. Especially since weapons seem to be o-so very important .

 

[Black]

And again, poor FO's 2 design to justify poor design of FO3.