Fallout 3 moves 4.7 million copies

Rev. Layle said:
Well, while I like KOTOR well enough, I certainly wouldn't call it that deep. Still was a blast for what it was.
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I quit after a good 5-10 hours (never became a Jedi or Sith) because the D20 combat was less than thrilling (enjoyed the NWN games more) and the dialog was painful (particularly the player's options of super agreeable saint, avoiding involvement, and choatic stupid psychopath).

Brother None said:
And as with such lost matches, I can't really say any resentment lingers - I've always been the kind of guy that feels somewhat bad for the other side if my team wins and can appreciate some of the joy of another team winning. I accepted the Fallout franchise was done when Bethesda took over the full license, the events now are about as predictable as watching cheese roll down a hill (though it seems Fallout 3 will outsell Oblivion, and that caught me off guard)
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Agreed. I really have two main problems, the first being how Bethesda treats it's customers, and the second being how fans of the game treat fans of the franchise. I totally get what audience would enjoy the game and even recommended it to them until I had a bad experience with their representatives (their forum moderators [never had a bad interaction with their staff {though Emil cherry picked a post to respond to once} and Gstaff in particular is polite and responsive]). The problem with the fans of Fallout 3 is that they have no empathy, let alone understanding, of fans of the Fallout franchise and treat Fallout fans like shit.
 
I thought it was well written, clearly black and white and choices were obvious (not deep, which I already mentioned). I played thru the end twice... you didn't finish - and that's OK.

Then again, I'm easily amused.... makes life more amusing and entertaining in general ;)
 
"....... and so Fallout has evolved, and hopefuly, keep evolving into something people can enjoy for years to come."

Well, as mentioned, trend from Daggerfall, through Morrowind, thru Oblivion to Fallout 3 does not bode well for bigger, deeper Fallout games, but rather smaller and shallower one's. But also as I said, this isn't just Bethesda. All games are getting smaller, shorter and with more shallow stories and characters.

This is also about the media, becuase even in 90%+ reviews I have seen mentioned the fact the main quest was not too interesting, and yet this used to be the key to an RPG getting a good score!
 
Well, as mentioned, trend from Daggerfall, through Morrowind, thru Oblivion to Fallout 3 does not bode well for bigger, deeper Fallout games, but rather smaller and shallower one's.
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Well, while FO3 is not much of a Fallout game, it's the best Bethesda game since Daggerfall.
 
uk_john said:
Well, as mentioned, trend from Daggerfall, through Morrowind, thru Oblivion to Fallout 3 does not bode well for bigger, deeper Fallout games
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I'd have to disagree here, since the trend from Oblivion to Fallout 3 appears to be a trend to a much deeper, better game, IMO.

We'll see where it goes from here, but one thing that seems likely is that the Fallout name will carry on, and in a pretty popular fashion. Fallout 3 won't be the end, and probably not Fallout 4 either. And FOOL will likely garner some momentum from this as well.

Whether the license stays in Bethesda's hands, or not, indefinitely, moving forward more Fallout games are going to be made throughout the years.

Some will laud that, and others will lament it. Personally, I think that's a good thing.
 
Yes, I too am ecstatic that a bunch of games will be released that come closest to Fallout in name and little else.

Wait what? Why should I care if a string of post-apocalyptic FPSRPGs comes out called Fallout, other than that I enjoy post-apocalyptic FPSRPGs? The name is meaningless, and the fact that the Fallout name will now be carried on in a meaning it has never had is worth very little to me.
 
UncannyGarlic said:
the second being how fans of the game treat fans of the franchise.
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You don't really want to go there do you? Most people playing Fallout 3 haven't even heard of this site and have no idea how miserable the 'true fans' are.

I've seen far more venom and vile from the 'original fans' towards 'modern gamers' (to be nice) than the opposite direction.
 
betamonkey said:
You don't really want to go there do you? Most people playing Fallout 3 haven't even heard of this site and have no idea how miserable the 'true fans' are.

I've seen far more venom and vile from the 'original fans' towards 'modern gamers' (to be nice) than the opposite direction.
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Hah, that's a reach. We have a strict policy never to cross-site troll so we actually leave other people alone, while sites like SA sent trolling waves to us and forums like SA, QTT and TTLG obsess over NMA in every thread on the game.

You confuse his remark with an NMA-centric view, that wasn't his point. The intolerance for our viewpoint was his point, and that intolerance is just as real as the intolerance of some of us towards fans of Fallout 3.
 
Well, I wasn't suggesting NMA was the only group of true fans, I just used this site as an example. In general most fans of Fallout 3 who are new to the series have no idea of the controversy surrounding it in certain circles.

And you are right, there are some of those on Bethesda's own forums who are rather unfair.. but those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Two wrongs don't make a right.. and more cliches. ;)
 
Brother None said:
Yes, I too am ecstatic that a bunch of games will be released that come closest to Fallout in name and little else.

Wait what? Why should I care if a string of post-apocalyptic FPSRPGs comes out called Fallout, other than that I enjoy post-apocalyptic FPSRPGs? The name is meaningless, and the fact that the Fallout name will now be carried on in a meaning it has never had is worth very little to me.
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As I said, "Some will laud that, and others will lament it."

I think I knew where you stood on that issue long ago, so there is no reason you should care, nor was I claiming that you should.

For me personally I do care. Why? Because I like Fallout 3, and I'd like to see more Fallout games made, whether by Bethesda or somebody else. And it seems very likely to happen.
 
Can't say that I had a stringest attachment to "Fallout 3 selling poorly" to see something "proven". For their target audience, Bethesda has exceeded their expectations. Of course, when I bought the game, it became obvious that I wasn't included in their target audience.

Brother None said:
In the end, I can't really complain. Sure the chances of a Fallout sequel that stick to the original's setting and gameplay have become nihil but that's been the case for some time now.

If anything, this is comparable to Wasteland ending up locked down in the EA vaults and people having to become creative with new properties instead. As MCA said about doing a Fallout sequel: "Don't do one. Do something better and raise the bar even higher."
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Yeah, nobody owns the rights to the generic "post-apocalyptic wasteland" setting. It is a concept that existed BEFORE Wasteland and BEFORE Fallout, and each of those games was simply a more fleshed out version of it. Which always leaves room for others.
 
Ausir said:
Well, while FO3 is not much of a Fallout game, it's the best Bethesda game since Daggerfall.
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Morrowind is still my favourite, but FO3 definitely is a step up from Oblivion.
 
Brother None said:
Wait what? Why should I care if a string of post-apocalyptic FPSRPGs comes out called Fallout, other than that I enjoy post-apocalyptic FPSRPGs? The name is meaningless, and the fact that the Fallout name will now be carried on in a meaning it has never had is worth very little to me.
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Yes, you. You and about 100 other people who put so much care and effort into this original franchise. Be happy for the millions of other people, who at least get to enjoy the name 'Fallout' on their own part. That's what I'm trying to do.
 
Brother None said:
Hah, that's a reach. We have a strict policy never to cross-site troll so we actually leave other people alone, while sites like SA sent trolling waves to us and forums like SA, QTT and TTLG obsess over NMA in every thread on the game.

You confuse his remark with an NMA-centric view, that wasn't his point. The intolerance for our viewpoint was his point, and that intolerance is just as real as the intolerance of some of us towards fans of Fallout 3.
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Exactly. I'm not saying that every fan of the franchise is perfectly fair to Fallout 3 fans or that it's right, I'm saying that Fallout fans have received really shitty and ridiculous treatment from fans of Fallout 3 and that the media has only served to fan the flames. Hell, I wrote a response to an article listing everything good and bad in it in a fairly objective manner (no, it wasn't perfect) and was flamed and labeled a troll by not only the community, but by people who write for the magazine. NMA is trashed on many, many gaming forums and criticizing Fallout 3 will garner insults, flames, and the usual comments about nit picking, missing the good stuff, problems should be ignored, etc. It's pretty hard to get a justification about why the game is good that's even half as detailed as one criticizing it and yet those who are critical are the ones who are being senselessly emotional and leveling baseless accusations. It's frustrating, insulting, and ridiculous and I'm almost positive that the reason that the fan community is reacted to so harshly is because of how articles about Fallout 3 have been portraying both previous games and particularly the community, it's been plain unprofessional.
 
Yellow said:
Yes, you. You and about 100 other people who put so much care and effort into this original franchise. Be happy for the millions of other people, who at least get to enjoy the name 'Fallout' on their own part. That's what I'm trying to do.
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Ah, but that is the problem for me at least, I don't care about the millions of other people enjoying Fallout now.
I wish to enjoy Fallout and I don't.

A lot of these people enjoy games I do not enjoy, and that it is not a problem, but now all games, including the ones I used to like are geared towards all the other millions of people, and I am given a big F[censored]o!
I am even given the message that my taste is old fashioned and that Fallout needs to 'evolve' to suit the other millions of people's taste.

Aren't we a little selfish now?
I am not complaining about the various AAA titles that are released for all other people that do not interest me, so why do the few games other people did not care about like Fallout suddenly have to be made to appeal to them now?

Of course its for money, but the thing is, Fallout didn't need to be rescued to appeal to the millions of people that never cared for it when it was released ten years ago.

So no, I am not happy for the millions of other people who now enjoy Fallout 3 and what I really would like to say to all of them would probably earn me their collective hatred so I will keep it to myself.
 
The Dutch Ghost said:
Yellow said:
Yes, you. You and about 100 other people who put so much care and effort into this original franchise. Be happy for the millions of other people, who at least get to enjoy the name 'Fallout' on their own part. That's what I'm trying to do.
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Ah, but that is the problem for me at least, I don't care about the millions of other people enjoying Fallout now.
I wish to enjoy Fallout and I don't.

A lot of these people enjoy games I do not enjoy, and that it is not a problem, but now all games, including the ones I used to like are geared towards all the other millions of people, and I am given a big F[censored]o!
I am even given the message that my taste is old fashioned and that Fallout needs to 'evolve' to suit the other millions of people's taste.

Aren't we a little selfish now?
I am not complaining about the various AAA titles that are released for all other people that do not interest me, so why do the few games other people did not care about like Fallout suddenly have to be made to appeal to them now?

Of course its for money, but the thing is, Fallout didn't need to be rescued to appeal to the millions of people that never cared for it when it was released ten years ago.

So no, I am not happy for the millions of other people who now enjoy Fallout 3 and what I really would like to say to all of them would probably earn me their collective hatred so I will keep it to myself.
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play planescape torment again, and the hatred will momentarily go away, i recomended
 
we have literally quadrupled traffic since April
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This is going to sound like a troll, but has there been any thought that a lot of this traffic is based on people being curious about how NMA responds to Fallout 3?

I'm reminded of when that large preview came out and scanned in. Every article I saw about it (on Fark, on Digg) inevitably linked to the NMA thread about it, and the comments about it were not of the wow these guys are right type.
 
Nice job, Bethsoft. I think it's deserved.

It's certainly strange to see a game titled Fallout 3 do so well. If Troika had developed it and had the same budget to spend on PR, would it have been as successful? Or are people buying on the basis that it's the next game from the people who made Oblivion? Perhaps a bit of both?
 
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