Fallout 3 moves 4.7 million copies

[aenemic]

Nice job, Bethsoft. I think it's deserved.

It's certainly strange to see a game titled Fallout 3 do so well. If Troika had developed it and had had the same budget to spend on PR, would have been as successful? Or are people buying on the basis that it's the next game from the people who made Oblivion? Perhaps a bit of both?

I'd say it's a combination, but I'm fairly certain that they'd have the same kind of success even without the massive PR.

if Troika had made the game then the PR budget would not have been the deciding factor. sure, if they had PR'd the shit out of the game it would probably up sales by a fair margin, but Troika would still be a pretty unknown developer with only buggy and unpolished games in their portfolio. which, as far as I know, is because of failing budgets and hurried releases.

 

[Asp]

addressing the discussion on pages 1-2, imho fallout 3, while not being a "proper" sequel of the franchise is still a quite good game as it is, and while not directly (fully) continuing the series - it does rise the public's awareness to it's existence, and hence does some good to the franchise itself - if you do a search engine\online shop\various download sources\shop statistic about the requests for "fallout" and "fallout 2" since the fallout 3 PR campaign started, you'll notice it has been lately much wanted as well.
so to say the release of fallout 3 has shared some of it's spotlight on the original fallouts as well.

and i hope after people will play through fallout 3, some of those who have not given it any second thought will also want to know where does such a good game originate from, and purchase\otherwise get the original games, and some will actually survive the temple of trials, and will see the wasteland as we saw 10 years ago, and will contribute to making Fallout 4 closer to the originals

 

[marko2te]

Well, while FO3 is not much of a Fallout game, it's the best Bethesda game since Daggerfall.

I am actually one of those really rare people who think that Battlespire is the best game of Bethesda.


Iam not really surprised by huge sales, I had many nightmares about this.


I said it before and i will say it again, in some two years all of those 90-100 reviewers will say how F3 is filled with flaws, bad dialog, has a bad main quest, that world is repetitive and that F4 is going to fix all those thing.

 

[Per]

I'm reminded of when that large preview came out and scanned in. Every article I saw about it (on Fark, on Digg) inevitably linked to the NMA thread about it, and the comments about it were not of the wow these guys are right type.

That type of comment only really started showing up after people had actually played the game.

 

[mattamusprime]

I dont understand...

I don't understand why so many "hardcore" fans of Fallout are so hateful towards Fallout 3 and Bethesda. But I guess it's the same reason fans of comic books and books are scornful when it hits the big screen and doesn't stay "true".

I'm a huge fan of Fallout 1 and 2 (1 more so). I hated Brotherhood of Steel, but not because it was a action hack and slash, but because it was a legitimately crappy game, and Tactics is on my meh list, again not because of gameplay departure, but for sub-par gameplay.

What I'm trying to say, is we should all be happy that Fallout 3 even exists, and it doesn't suck. Interplay went under, Black Isle disbanded, and with it, our dreams of(what you would call) a proper Fallout.

But I don't believe in a proper Fallout. I believe in Fallout's universe and character building, and Fallout does this. Do I wish it was isometric? Yes. But I'm just happy Fallout 3 exists, and that a trusted company like Bethesda has taken the reigns. I can't wait to see what they produce next.

 

[Pope Viper]

I think it's pretty obvious why the old fans are less than pleased. To be honest, I'd rather have gone w/o this version of FO3. It's not true to the series, it's an attempt for a profit, and in my opinion, it was a lazy effort on the part of BS. First thing that should have been required when they bought the franchise, were for the development team to play the first two to completion, multiple times.

While BS may be "trusted", they've proven that they believe in watering down games (Jesus, they did it to their own franchise!), in order to appeal to the broadest market segment they can.

 

[marstonkyale]

"....... and so Fallout has evolved, and hopefuly, keep evolving into something people can enjoy for years to come."

Well, as mentioned, trend from Daggerfall, through Morrowind, thru Oblivion to Fallout 3 does not bode well for bigger, deeper Fallout games, but rather smaller and shallower one's. But also as I said, this isn't just Bethesda. All games are getting smaller, shorter and with more shallow stories and characters.

This is also about the media, becuase even in 90%+ reviews I have seen mentioned the fact the main quest was not too interesting, and yet this used to be the key to an RPG getting a good score!

Well said, and off topic have you played SW: Force unleashed? absolute rubbish. Eight hours long at a medium-slow play through.
Oh and the main characters code name? [spoiler:2fc9ad4c40] Starkiller, which for those of you whom don't know it was the original skywalker name before lucas decided to change it just before filming started. So with its stupid plot and that name it just disgusts me. For star wars, it is FOS. [/spoiler:2fc9ad4c40]

so to say the release of fallout 3 has shared some of it's spotlight on the original fallouts as well.

Well on that point to be fair if they hadn't titled it F3, we probably wouldn't see such a renewed interest in the old games, so that atleast is a good thing.

Edit to prevent a double post.

 

[fedaykin]

Re: I dont understand...

I believe in Fallout's universe and character building, and Fallout does this.

This statement is so weirdly generalized it's practically meaningless. You have to be more specific.

Do I wish it was isometric? Yes.

Perspective is only the tip of the iceberg. Change of perspective alone is not the reason why some dislike F3.

But I'm just happy Fallout 3 exists, and that a trusted company like Bethesda has taken the reigns.

Bethesda is by no means 'trusted'. See the case of Oblivion.

 

[lewis]

I think it's pretty obvious why the old fans are less than pleased. To be honest, I'd rather have gone w/o this version of FO3. It's not true to the series, it's an attempt for a profit, and in my opinion, it was a lazy effort on the part of BS. First thing that should have been required when they bought the franchise, were for the development team to play the first two to completion, multiple times.

While BS may be "trusted", they've proven that they believe in watering down games (Jesus, they did it to their own franchise!), in order to appeal to the broadest market segment they can.

this was done in SPORE to, the game was dubbed down for the casual crowd the result was bad, the game didn't sell much but EA said it was a success.

the game was forgotten very quick

 

[betamonkey]

Obviously you didn't forget it.

And some people around the office think it will contend for GOTY, at least in its genre.. albeit a genre that has little competition.

 

[Per]

There is a spellchecker, please use it.

 

[Zumbs]

we have literally quadrupled traffic since April

This is going to sound like a troll, but has there been any thought that a lot of this traffic is based on people being curious about how NMA responds to Fallout 3?

I think it comes from a lot of sources. One are long-time lurkers like myself (I think my first visit were back when Van Buren were the code name for Fallout 3), who are interested in discussing Fallout 3 with other fans of the series.

I said it before and i will say it again, in some two years all of those 90-100 reviewers will say how F3 is filled with flaws, bad dialog, has a bad main quest, that world is repetitive and that F4 is going to fix all those thing.

Most likely. I haven't been reading a lot of those reviews. Still waiting for the Fallout 3 version of the rpgcodex Oblivion review

 

[mattamusprime]

I think it's pretty obvious why the old fans are less than pleased. To be honest, I'd rather have gone w/o this version of FO3. It's not true to the series, it's an attempt for a profit, and in my opinion, it was a lazy effort on the part of BS. First thing that should have been required when they bought the franchise, were for the development team to play the first two to completion, multiple times.

While BS may be "trusted", they've proven that they believe in watering down games (Jesus, they did it to their own franchise!), in order to appeal to the broadest market segment they can.

Is it so wrong to appeal to a broad segment? Is it wrong to bring new fans into a franchise?

Taking this attitude towards the game says to me, "My friends and I love Fallout. But since you don't play it like us and understand it, you aren't cool enough and can't play it."

I'm not saying your wrong Pope Viper. You are right that Bethesda does water down games. Fast Travel in Oblivion as opposed to Morrowind is an example. But we don't have to use those features. If we want to travel from town to town, we can. But my more casual friends or people who don't want to do this have the option.

I think it's cool that new people are trying the game out. Once they enjoy it, I'm always there to recommend Fallout 1 and 2. Fallout 3 is nowhere near the amount of praise and excitement I still have when I play Fallout 1(I'm actually playing through again), but I have a damn good time playing FO3, and I'm not going to condemn it for entertaining me.

P.S. I mean to say, "I believe in Fallout's universe and character creation, and Fallout 3 does this." Sorry about that

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

Taking this attitude towards the game says to me, "My friends and I love Fallout. But since you don't play it like us and understand it, you aren't cool enough and can't play it."

On the contrare, we would invite you to come and play Fallout, and if you have problems with it you can always come ask for help.

But instead Fallout was changed so that it would appeal primarily to you, leaving us in the cold.

 

[fedaykin]

mattamusprime, but what do you mean by that? What do you mean when you say you believe in Fallout's "universe and character creation"? It's not a matter of belief. Fallout emulated PnP gameplay, Fallout 3 completely drops that in favour of a system that is cosmetically similar, but functions in a whole different manner.

 

[mattamusprime]

But instead Fallout was changed so that it would appeal primarily to you, leaving us in the cold.

I actually am a fan of Fallout 1 and 2 primarily. I've said this in my two previous posts, that FO3 isn't better than 1 or 2. My main point was to not condemn it because it's different.

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

I condemn it because it is a shallow rip off of the classic Fallout games glued to the game ideology of Oblivion; appeal to as much mainstream gamers as possible by reducing complex gameplay and choices.

 

[Matt K]

I condemn it because it is a shallow rip off of the classic Fallout games glued to the game ideology of Oblivion; appeal to as much mainstream gamers as possible by reducing complex gameplay and choices.

I condemn the game because it's a bad game. Poor combat, bad dialogue, bad plot, awful minigames, the worst tutorial I've ever seen, tons of bugs, deceptive system specs, etc, etc (oh and that cash register sounds when you get XP).

I have no problem with someone liking a bad game, there's a few I've enjoyed. However with those games I liked them despite the flaws but I didn't pretend those flaws never existed.

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

I condemn the game because it's a bad game. Poor combat, bad dialogue, bad plot, awful minigames, the worst tutorial I've ever seen, tons of bugs, deceptive system specs, etc, etc (oh and that cash register sounds when you get XP).

I have no problem with someone liking a bad game, there's a few I've enjoyed. However with those games I liked them despite the flaws but I didn't pretend those flaws never existed.

Your two responses don't differ that much from my own opinion.

I have seen several movies of the game, and even as a non Fallout game it is very mediocre.

 

[Sorrow]

I condemn it because FINO3 is instead of a real Fallout 3.