Fallout 3 reviews round-up #11

[MorbidMind]

Am I the only one who gets the impression that Kikomiko is a clever troll? The posters entire persona is practically designed to grate on the nerves of people less then enthusiastic of a product.

This game, while in and of itself not poor, is a poor fallout and a bad RPG. The dialog is just piss poor, one line often being the extent of a conversation, the voice acting is limited once more to about six people, though they are more expressive then Oblivions clusterfuck. Animations are still pretty bad, you can tell which ones are re -used from Oblivion (Molerats, Yao guai) pretty easily. The game doesn't really look that great when compared to other recent triple A titles, once more its essentially a cleaned up Oblivion.

Which actually sums the game up pretty well. Its a cleaned up Oblivion. It makes a wonderful addition to the elder scroll series, but a fallout it is not.

 

[kikomiko]

Am I the only one who gets the impression that Kikomiko is a clever troll? The posters entire persona is practically designed to grate on the nerves of people less then enthusiastic of a product.

This game, while in and of itself not poor, is a poor fallout and a bad RPG. The dialog is just piss poor, one line often being the extent of a conversation, the voice acting is limited once more to about six people, though they are more expressive then Oblivions clusterfuck. Animations are still pretty bad, you can tell which ones are re -used from Oblivion (Molerats, Yao guai) pretty easily. The game doesn't really look that great when compared to other recent triple A titles, once more its essentially a cleaned up Oblivion.

Which actually sums the game up pretty well. Its a cleaned up Oblivion. It makes a wonderful addition to the elder scroll series, but a fallout it is not.

I'm not a troll. I just LOVE Fallout 3. I really don't mean to annoy you guys; I'm just trying to convince you of its awesomeness. Also, think about it like this: If my enormous praise for FO3 annoys you, then your criticism of it is bound to do the same for me

 

[Malcolm_x]

When i read thathen i read that reviews i think if Fallout 3 is a second coming of God Son -gived me a breake that game must be walking DVD miricle nothing more nothing less - there is no other options.......

And now what can i do buy it or not like in Hamlet

Buy or not to buy

that is only me or other people got that same feelings about that Fallout ?
Nothing more nothing less Fallout 3 is a stinky bomb ???

Jezzzzzzz.... reviews say greate game - word miricle - players - not so good - even worst then Oblivion....

So now i got a problem to solve

 

[UncannyGarlic]

I'm not a troll. I just LOVE Fallout 3. I really don't mean to annoy you guys; I'm just trying to convince you of its awesomeness. Also, think about it like this: If my enormous praise for FO3 annoys you, then your criticism of it is bound to do the same for me

Give us an equally detailed list of all of the areas which Fallout 3 excels to those of where it falls short then. People don't have a problem with rational arguments, people have issues with "OMG it's so good, you guys are just to cynical to see it!" and "I like it for a lot of reasons but you guys would just insult me if I listed them."

As was once famously said, put up or shut up.

 

[MorbidMind]

When i read thathen i read that reviews i think if Fallout 3 is a second coming of God Son -gived me a breake that game must be walking DVD miricle nothing more nothing less - there is no other options.......

And now what can i do buy it or not like in Hamlet

Buy or not to buy

that is only me or other people got that same feelings about that Fallout ?
Nothing more nothing less Fallout 3 is a stinky bomb ???

Jezzzzzzz.... reviews say greate game - word miricle - players - not so good - even worst then Oblivion....

So now i got a problem to solve

The game IS better then Oblivion in my mind, it just pulls a lot of the same tricks, some done slightly better now. Dungeons (which make up the majority of exploration) are still pretty unfulfilling. Usually its a gauntlet of enemies with a named one at the end and some loot, occasionally theres some tidbits of backstory to the area, but again the dialog is pretty poor and theres very little depth to things. Melee combat is virtually identicle and some silly things come in from fantasy that shouldn't have made their way to fallout; equipment giving stat bonus's with no rational explanation for instance.

 

[EnglishMuffin]

Why? The voice acting is great! Sure, it's not the best out there, but considering how many lines of dialogue there are, it's a pretty hefty achievement that Bethesda's pulled off.

Just like the voice acting in Oblivion was great! A company has a major budget yet choose not to get the best of the best? You are fine with that excuse?

This is the same thing we get with all those 10/10's for Halo 3 but everyone goes around defending all the inadequacies of it.

Did you also think that "Stomp the Yard" was great, or perhaps "Werewolf," or maybe "Manos: the hands of fate?"

 

[kikomiko]

I'm not a troll. I just LOVE Fallout 3. I really don't mean to annoy you guys; I'm just trying to convince you of its awesomeness. Also, think about it like this: If my enormous praise for FO3 annoys you, then your criticism of it is bound to do the same for me

Give us an equally detailed list of all of the areas which Fallout 3 excels to those of where it falls short then. People don't have a problem with rational arguments, people have issues with "OMG it's so good, you guys are just to cynical to see it!" and "I like it for a lot of reasons but you guys would just insult me if I listed them."

As was once famously said, put up or shut up.

A list of Fallout 3's best characteristics:

1. A HUGE, expansive world with tons of things to see.
2. VATS never gets old.
3. Side quests that are as well thought out as the main quests.
4. Many, many unique weapons.
5. For the most part, outstanding voice acting.
6. Insanely detailed environment.
7. An unparalleled sense of atmosphere.
8. Unique characters.
9. Many different ways to play the game out.
10. It's just plain FUN.

 

[UniversalWolf]

A list of Fallout 3's best characteristics:

1. A HUGE, expansive world with tons of things to see.
2. VATS never gets old.
3. Side quests that are as well thought out as the main quests.
4. Many, many unique weapons.
5. For the most part, outstanding voice acting.
6. Insanely detailed environment.
7. An unparalleled sense of atmosphere.
8. Unique characters.
9. Many different ways to play the game out.
10. It's just plain FUN.

You forgot to list the things you don't like about it. I'd be interested to hear.

 

[kikomiko]

You forgot to list the things you don't like about it. I'd be interested to hear.

1.The animations are, I agree, pretty bad.
2.The game has already crashed three times on my 360.
3.The third person view doesn't let me tilt the camera all the way around my body so I can examine my armor, etc.

That's pretty much it!

 

[Falloutvet]

Which do you guys feel is more buggy, Fable 2 or Fallout 3? It seems like a close race.

 

[Captain Iraq]

Played it bout 4 hours now.

1. A HUGE, expansive world with tons of things to see.

Haven't seen that much in 4 hours, so no statement.

2. VATS never gets old.

Hm. For me, VATS got old the third time I used it. Its the same over and over again. Three shots in the Head, Head blows off. Yeah.

3. Side quests that are as well thought out as the main quests.

You know, that's the fault.
The existance of "side" and "main" quests.
In F1 and F2, there were now side quests. Every quest was a part of your one story. But in F3, you really feel like "Naah, not another side quest right now, wonna do the main quest". Know what I mean? Your really feeling that the quest your doing is just an side quest, just a way to push your stats and get a cool item.

4. Many, many unique weapons.

Maybe. No statement.

5. For the most part, outstanding voice acting.

Now you MUST be kidding.
In the Vault, i decided to kill the Overseer, as I thought he was a thread to the vault. I killed him, his daughter saw this and just sad: "Why did you kill him?" in an monotonic way like "Why do you wear blue pants?". Just fucking ridiculous. Ruined the moment.

6. Insanely detailed environment.

A little bit repetitive, but quit okay.

7. An unparalleled sense of atmosphere.

Atmosphere really is nothing, compared to the old games. Just doesn't feel like 200 years after a nuclear devastation - with all the prewar WOODEN houses standing around.

8. Unique characters.

Unique? Two of the first three characters I saw after exiting the vault (ex-wore in wooden house and bartendergirl at the Megaton) looked exectly. Exactly. The same.

9. Many different ways to play the game out.

Yeah? Amanda helps me whatever I do. Rampage the vault, killing her father and shot the damn bitch in the arm => She helps me!

10. It's just plain FUN.

Sadly it really is kinda fun.
NOT when seen as a RPG.
And way NOT, when seen as a Fallout.
But i think i can play it as an mediocre gore-actiongame.

 

[UncannyGarlic]

I'll preface this with a thanks for putting up! Now I'm gonna ask for more detail :p.

1. A HUGE, expansive world with tons of things to see.

Can you give some examples (in spoiler tags) of the variety? I like some of the stuff that I've heard of, like Vault 106, but some of the variety (Arefu) sounds stupid.

2. VATS never gets old.

Fair enough, you enjoy (?) or tolerate (?) VATS but it never bothers you but can you see how it could bother others?

3. Side quests that are as well thought out as the main quests.

Examples?

4. Many, many unique weapons.

Not going to make you give examples here, I'll take your word for it and agree.

5. For the most part, outstanding voice acting.

Outstanding or agreeable? One suggests top tier and the other suggests that it's enjoyable but could be improved upon.

6. Insanely detailed environment.

You playing the PC or console version? The PC version had better textures (good enough to argue this point) but the consoles' (360 is what I've seen) is pretty bad. If you can, what type of detail are you talking about (examples)?

7. An unparalleled sense of atmosphere.

Visual, audio, writing, or a combination of some or all of the above? (Thinking examples would be hard for this)

8. Unique characters.

Same question: visual, audio, writing, or a combination of some or all of the above? (Examples should be easier for this)

9. Many different ways to play the game out.

What do you mean and compared to what (Fallout is always good :p)?

10. It's just plain FUN.

That's subjective and I know that people do enjoy it so great! Just isn't very helpful.

 

[ShatteredJon]

A list of Fallout 3's best characteristics:

1. A HUGE, expansive world with tons of things to see.
2. VATS never gets old.
3. Side quests that are as well thought out as the main quests.
4. Many, many unique weapons.
5. For the most part, outstanding voice acting.
6. Insanely detailed environment.
7. An unparalleled sense of atmosphere.
8. Unique characters.
9. Many different ways to play the game out.
10. It's just plain FUN.

1. I agree with you here.
2. VATS gets old really fast, especially the glitch where when you criple a face and the rest of your VATS shots are fired off with no slowmo and no hits.
3. While there are some fun side quests (slavers quests were awesome) they don't stand up to the sidequests of the original fallouts.
4. Pshht, you have to be kidding me. The ammount of weapons in this game no where near touches upon the ammounts in FO 1, 2.
5. The only good voice acting, IMO, was McDowell. The rest is easily unrehearsed and sub-par.
6. I will give this one to you, I found the environment to be very well put together.
7. This, I disagree with. It had a good post-apoc atmosphere, but was sadly (and unsurprisingly) lacking in FALLOUT atmosphere.
8. Bah, maybe one or two characters were memorable. The NPCs that followed you were horrible and had no depth.
9. Are you kidding? Sure, there are different ways to do quests, but the rewards are almost always the same, and there is barely any C&C.
10. Yes, it is fun in the sense of a game, but not in the sense of a Fallout game.

Have you played the originals at all? It seems from this list that you have made, that you haven't. I suggest you do, so you can see the POV most people on this site seem to have. This includes me.

 

[MorbidMind]

A list of Fallout 3's best characteristics:

1. A HUGE, expansive world with tons of things to see.
2. VATS never gets old.
3. Side quests that are as well thought out as the main quests.
4. Many, many unique weapons.
5. For the most part, outstanding voice acting.
6. Insanely detailed environment.
7. An unparalleled sense of atmosphere.
8. Unique characters.
9. Many different ways to play the game out.
10. It's just plain FUN.

1. It is quite large and there are many thing in it, its just the majority of the things are uninteresting with really no incentive to find them. The inner city is also nothing but corridors connected by sewers, piled of rubble streamlining you to taking a single path. This is about a quarter of the map.

2. Yes, it does. Having taken bloody mess for the damage boost, I now completely regret it.

3. Again, disagree with you here. I found one interesting sidequest so far and I've cleared a large portion of the game.

4. Theres Four pistols, two rifle, two assault rifles, two laser weapons (pistol and rifle), two plasma weapons (pistol and rifle), two shotguns, and the incredibly shitt dart gun In small weapons. Heavy weapons include two miniguns, a rocket launcher, flamethrower, and fatman. A decent selection but weapons of the same type really feel the exact same.

5. This is completely false. The game has terrible voice acting. When compared to Oblivion however, each actor could win an oscar with their performance.

6. The environment is populated, but detailed I disagree with. Textures are largely pretty crap.

7. Unparalleled? Please. This games atmosphere is shit compared to the originals. The game doesn't feel like its in a post apocalypse. It feels like your in a crumbly third world nation where just about everyone has an annoyingly chipper attitude.

8. From what I've seen, very few people are memorable. In fact, the only NPC I've really liked was a robot.

9. Theres many different ways to deal with the bad guys between point A and B, but there really aren't that many options. I don't see how they could have played through the entire game without killing anything but the rad roach at the beginning when every tunnel is full of feral ghouls, and just about every quest is go here and kill these guys.

10. When I pretend it isn't a Fallout the game is pretty fun, but then I start talking to someone and think that the options I should have aren't present, or that my abilities should open up another path to complete this quest when it doesn't and I begin to get frustrated. The game is very linear, quests almost always have one way of completing them, with various ways to accomplish said one way. In my mind, that ruins the point of an RPG and at that point the game stops being fun.

 

[ShatteredJon]

You guys, do you not see? We haven't played through the game five times and done everything. So, we are not allowed to have an opinion. We just don't see the awesomeness of Fallout 3 because there is so much in the game that makes it good, which none of us have found yet! Gosh guys! Why have individual thoughts when we can all huddle around the forum praising FO3's uber mega awesome spec-fucking-tacular gameplay and cannon-raping?
There is no reason to not be media sheep. Critique and objective observations are for the rich and "The President". So come on guys! Stop thinking! Start loving!

/saracasm

 

[UniversalWolf]

You forgot to list the things you don't like about it. I'd be interested to hear.

1.The animations are, I agree, pretty bad.
2.The game has already crashed three times on my 360.
3.The third person view doesn't let me tilt the camera all the way around my body so I can examine my armor, etc.

That's pretty much it!

My man, thank you for making your lists! As you can see, not everyone disagrees with everything you've said, and this thread has become constructive now. I appreciate that you were willing to do it.

 

[kikomiko]

1. A HUGE, expansive world with tons of things to see.

There are so many unique locations, it's incredible. Also, each is different, unlike Oblivion. It's very fun to explore!

Fair enough, you enjoy (?) or tolerate (?) VATS but it never bothers you but can you see how it could bother others?

Maybe, VATS could get old...you can't skip the slow mo parts, so that's kinda annoying, but overall, it's very polished!

Examples?

Well, you've probably heard of all of these, but I still think they're good examples!

the whole Megaton bomb storyline.
the wasteland survival guide.
fire ants.
Arefu.

Those are the ones I'm currently doing(I've only played seven hours )

Outstanding or agreeable? One suggests top tier and the other suggests that it's enjoyable but could be improved upon.

I probably shouldn't have said outstanding, because some of it is kind of rough. Overall, it's very good, and it never REALLY makes you laugh. There are many more voice actors, and you can really tell.

You playing the PC or console version? The PC version had better textures (good enough to argue this point) but the consoles' (360 is what I've seen) is pretty bad. If you can, what type of detail are you talking about (examples)?

The 360 version looks outstanding. The lighting is truly the star-I'd place it up there with COD4, in those terms. Also, detail meaning like individual rocks, realistic textures, etc., etc.

Visual, audio, writing, or a combination of some or all of the above? (Thinking examples would be hard for this)

I'd say all three. It makes you feel alone...yet scared. One of it's greatest accomplishments is making you always feel uneasy about how many supplies you have, effectively making you a scavenger.
It's AWESOME.

Same question: visual, audio, writing, or a combination of some or all of the above? (Examples should be easier for this)

Well, I'd say visual and audio. There aren't copy paste characters like there are in Oblivion. They pretty much all look different, from what I've seen.

What do you mean and compared to what (Fallout is always good :p)?

There are just so many choices to make, and so many ways to carry them out. I guess, since Fallout did have a lot of choices, I would be comparing it to Oblivion/Mass Effect.

That's subjective and I know that people do enjoy it so great! Just isn't very helpful.

Well, it's just so exhilarating to explore the wasteland, and find new places, people, and items!

BTW, sorry I took so long to reply I really hope you see this!

 

[kikomiko]

You forgot to list the things you don't like about it. I'd be interested to hear.

1.The animations are, I agree, pretty bad.
2.The game has already crashed three times on my 360.
3.The third person view doesn't let me tilt the camera all the way around my body so I can examine my armor, etc.

That's pretty much it!

My man, thank you for making your lists! As you can see, not everyone disagrees with everything you've said, and this thread has become constructive now. I appreciate that you were willing to do it.

No problem Happy to do it. I think you guys make some very interesting points, and I hope I've done likewise.

 

[kikomiko]

4. Theres Four pistols, two rifle, two assault rifles, two laser weapons (pistol and rifle), two plasma weapons (pistol and rifle), two shotguns, and the incredibly shitt dart gun In small weapons. Heavy weapons include two miniguns, a rocket launcher, flamethrower, and fatman. A decent selection but weapons of the same type really feel the exact same.

there's also a fair amount of melee weapons, and grenades. But, I shouldn't have said MANY. They're very GOOD weapons, though, and fun to use. Plus, you can add scopes to some, and silencers as well.

 

[iridium_ionizer]

kikomiko you might want to be careful about the back to back posts. The moderators here are sometimes strict about things like this. If no one else has posted after you and you have more to add, then I would suggest you use the edit button, just make note of where your additions start - so as to avoid ninja editing.