Fallout 4 coming out on November 10, free mobile spin-off out now

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by WorstUsernameEver, Jun 15, 2015.

  1. Jabberwok

    Jabberwok Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Jun 7, 2008
    what I would prefer is for skills to have a legit effect on the 1st person combat, and maybe just ditch VATS completely. that would've been my ideal. as far as the building stuff, every game apparently needs that these days. I just hope it's not as pointless and underwhelming as Hearthfire was for Skyrim
     
  2. fred2

    fred2 Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Nov 2, 2013
    I certainly like the looks and details in those locations from the OP:




     
  3. AskWazzup

    AskWazzup Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2008
    If only bethesda wasn't full of dorks... They are nailing the freedom aspect of gameplay, and now they even added some minecraft into the mix, but i cringe everytime i hear someone talk. I told you guys they will go with a dialogue wheel, and now i'm pretty certain that the story will also follow suit with more uncoolness. I think it will involve your family in some way, the game will force you into being an emotional character yet again.

    I'm looking for my wife, a middle aged woman. Maybe you've seen her?

    P.S. i really like the power armor stuff and the jetpack.
     
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  4. fred2

    fred2 Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Nov 2, 2013
    You obviously never meet macgyver, this guy could make far more with far less...


    Also I agree with @WorstUsernameEver, there no witchery here, its a common system to most survival game out there. Beth variant just int' too bent over realism, and appears to be very well executed on the crafting variants and "base building" side.

    I can't but feel that you guys complain for the sake of complaining, like those elderly people who has nothing todo except sitting outside and rant about how everything is bad now days...
     
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  5. Adz

    Adz Professional Lurker

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    So... It's not going to be a turn based isometric 3rd person perspective? I got my hopes up for nothing :(
     
  6. naossano

    naossano So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Oct 19, 2006
    http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Blog:News/The_Fallout_4_E3_Showcase

    "The protagonist is fully voiced, with a Mass Effect or Alpha Protocol style dialogue wheel.
    Dogmeat returns with a new behavior mechanic, the ability to issue commands to him outside dialogue (and a very flexible list of them). He is found early on near a gas station.
    Skills have been removed entirely, if the PIP-Boy screen is correct. There are only SPECIAL attributes and perks"

    Why the hell did they bought the Fallout IP in the first place ? Not only they are screwing the IP even more, but it will make the task even harder for the modder and the eventual Obsidian spin-off to correct things to get something average.

    "The story begins on October 23, 2077. You begin as an average Joe living the American Dream, suddenly forced to seek shelter. You survive an atomic explosion and wound up in Vault 111. You awaken 200 years later - and emerge into the wasteland as the sole survivor of the Vault."

    It doesn't mean much, but they are copying another game they published. Why not make a sequel to Rage then, and stop hurting the fans ?



    "Some characters (at least Codsworth, the robot) will address you by name. Bethesda recorded over 1000 most popular names for this purpose"

    How many ressources were wasted for this gimmick ? A gimmick and they recorded god knows how many actors to repeat some sentences a 1000 times ? They consider this better that record 1000 new original sentence ? On the other hand, you might consider this as their take on C & C. Your playthrought with be different than your buddy....

    "You will be able to summon Vertibirds with signal flares. Climbing on board will not trigger a load screen, but instead allow you to man the minigun and fire at targets down below - or just enjoy the view alongside your trusty hound."

    I am totally NOT liking this but i prefer it over fast travel. Still, this is yet to be confirmed that you will fly instead of teleport. If Bethesda, of all company, take the initiative to remove that awfull fast-travel crap, they might get a lot of credit... Still, it doesn't cover the loss of skill, the comeback of Dogmeat or the protagonist voice. (also, i doubt the vertibird will need fuel or maintenance, except if they include hardcore mode, and even then, not sure...)

    "A corollary of that is that you can build and maintain permanent settlements with dynamically generated inhabitants, attacks by raiders and wildlife, and the ability to maintain caravans between cities, among many other features. "

    It seems that they listened some of the fans. Just not the right ones....

    "A separate game, Fallout Shelter, is already available on the market. It puts you in the role of an omnipotent Overseer, responsible for ensuring the survival and prosperity of the Vault Dwellers. It is inspired by Progress Quest and in practice is similar to Dwarf Fortress - in a less complicated, byzantine way, of course."

    It seems to me that it is the best news of the bunch. A free spin-off most likely devellopped by someone else, that would probably be 9999 times more skilled.



    Still waiting for the actually relevant news about C & C, quality of writting, reputation system, worldbuilding, consistency, Cain/Boyarsky/Anderson/Avellone involvement, the removal of essential npc, of overcheated quest marker and fast-travel. Any journalist questions about that ?
     
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  7. raynor009

    raynor009 Hell yeah!

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    Looking at the screenshots I probably won't even need to upgrade my PC as I thought I would

     
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  8. ChildServices

    ChildServices Banned

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    May 22, 2015
    "IF IT RUNS, IT'S AN ANDROID, IF IT STANDS STILL, IT'S A WELL-PROGRAMMED ANDROID."
     
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  9. fred2

    fred2 Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    If you like strategy games, you might have heard of 'Total War' its a very accessible AAA franchise. Even though I love grand strategy games that the average fan of total war might call anal, I still buy its games and enjoy them (modded) for what they offer.

    What I am trying to say is you should learn to accept what you cannot change, relax and try to enjoy it for what it is. Beth FO success\practice prove beyond doubt that there are FAR FAR more of the other kind of FO Fans, and they are its main target audience.
     
  10. Guiltyofbeingtrite

    Guiltyofbeingtrite Vault Dweller

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    Oct 13, 2008
    Yup. To Beth, and most Fallout fans (to which I mean Fallout 3 fans) this is improving on the IP, Fallout 3 fans ARE the right ones, now.
     
  11. Jabberwok

    Jabberwok Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Jun 7, 2008
    Haha, yeah,. In F3, I loved the ridiculousness of following in my humanitarian father's footsteps by nuking peaceful villages, releasing feral ghouls, poisoning water supplies, selling people into slavery, and also murdering everyone I encountered. Liam Neeson was surprisingly cool with all of that. Then again, the SOP for Elder Scrolls games seems to be for players to just ignore the main story as much as possible, so maybe Bethesda just doesn't care about the incongruity.

    The other possibility is that they would prefer to write The Last of Us, and not a Fallout game. I definitely get that vibe.
     
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  12. Nas92

    Nas92 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Sep 8, 2012
    The loss of skills might not be a tragedy if they're smart about making a perk system that essentially does the same. I don't see them pulling that off, but who knows. I hope they realize that now they can't afford to put in perk respec as they did in Skyrim Dragonborn DLC.

    Also, it appears Lyons pussy Brotherhood will be hostile at some point. A hint that maybe there will be choices in the story?
    A minor point, but the synths actually look good. I won't be buying the game, that's for sure, though.
     
  13. Jabberwok

    Jabberwok Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Jun 7, 2008
    Hmm, I have to disagree with that last part, considering that Fallout 3 came out 10 years (at least a generation in gaming) after the previous entry, on a popular console and with a massive difference in budget and technology. All the success proved is that people like Fallout, or maybe just post-apocalyptic games, or open world, or whatever you want to categorize it as. So when you say there are "far more" of that kind of fan, I am not sure what you are comparing here. We would need some alternate universe in which there was another version of the game with different design and writing choices more in-line with what some of the people who are complaining would want, to see if the majority are really more happy with this than they would be with something that doesn't exist.

    TL;DR, sales don't mean the game couldn't have been better than it was. Especially in this case, because Bethesda has almost no competition in their genre among AAA titles.
     
  14. Stanislao Moulinsky

    Stanislao Moulinsky Vault Fossil

    Jul 16, 2009
    Who wanna bet that, unbenknowst to him, the hero is actually an android? And since it takes place 200 years after the war (i.e. just like FO3) with a bit of luck we could actually be helping Harkness! How cool would that be? /s

    I liked what I saw (judging it on its own) but it's Bethesda we are talking of here. The chances of the setting being decently thought out, the writing being good and the mechanics not being shallow and unbalanced are pretty low. Meh, hope I'm wrong.
    And hooray for dialogue wheel, 4 choices and voiced hero that will make mod creation harder!
     
  15. Jabberwok

    Jabberwok Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Jun 7, 2008
    Okay, last post. Let me put that a different way that might make more sense. Bethesda the developer has pretty much always specialized in making very large, continuous, 1st person, open worlds with a high degree of detail and interactivity. And they do it pretty well, which they should considering how long they've been at it. I have played a lot of games, and a lot of open world games, and I don't really see any other developers attempting to do this same thing, either because their focus lies elsewhere, or even because they don't have the manpower necessary. So if that's what I want to play, I'm probably going to play a Bethesda game.

    However, if another company did that just as well, but ALSO could design some decent combat, and write a less horribly-flawed story, and make a companion system that didn't suck, and improve on all the other million things that are problems in every Bethesda title, I would probably never play one of their games again. And if that other developer could also write a Fallout game that was not only a good game but a good extension of the IP, I imagine it would sell pretty well.
     
  16. Gnarles Bronson

    Gnarles Bronson regular mutant

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    Oct 30, 2011
    The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. If everyone on NMA got their wish, think how disappointed literally hundreds of thousands of people would be. It's not our game anymore, might as well move on.
     
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  17. Gnarles Bronson

    Gnarles Bronson regular mutant

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    Oct 30, 2011
    ugghhh....... I can see this happening and it's depressing me already.
     
  18. Proletären

    Proletären Mildly Dipped

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    Mar 15, 2012
    The problem with that is that you got a baby at your house before the apocalypse. So how could you be the parent of that child if you are an android?
     
  19. Nas92

    Nas92 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Sep 8, 2012
    Fallout 3 had an android who had fabricated memories. Chances are the same thing will happen here. Then again, synths have been seemingly changed quite a lot, so who knows at this point.
     
  20. semajnollissor

    semajnollissor First time out of the vault

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    Aug 7, 2011
    My guess: the protagonist was fatally injured by the nuke blast, and is then either cryogenically frozen or his conciousness is downloaded onto disk (holo tape?). Some system fault either thaws him out (after having been repaired by an autodoc) or uploads him into a synth that happened to wander into the long dead vault.