Never underestimate people's ability to justify their shitty purchases. People will go to the ends of the earth trying to justify spending a million dollars on a bag of shit just so they don't have to admit they fucked up.
Fallout 4 DLC revealed
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Ragemage
Wept for Zion
I just feel bad for anyone who bought the Pip Boy edition and then "woke up" to realize Bethesda is an awful company. By the time most people got it, it would have been way too late to get a refund so they were stuck with a hunk of plastic an terrible game, and all their trust and love for a company completely destroyed. I used to love Bethesda, but no longer. I'm so glad I didn't shell out the cash for this bullshit and only got the Season Pass instead. I was one of the lucky ones. Plus I got FO4 for 40 instead of 60 so I wasn't scammed as hard as other people.
DirtyOldShoe
Some kind of lucky
Sorry, but I don't care if they are hurt from the purchase. Don't ride the hype train to shitty gimmick town. Also, saying that you paid $40 and that's better than paying $60 for shut is wrong. We are all in the same category of paying for shit. The difference is when the person knows that they paid for shit. I knew before I bought it it would be shit because of Emil. But we are both schmucks. It's like bragging that you only got kicked in the dick 40 times instead of 60. It's not really an accomplishment.
Izak
I Shot The ALBATROSS
That seems a little harsh, the NV collectors edition was of good quality so I could see somebody buying the Pip-boy expecting a high quality product.
Mudguy47
It Wandered In From the Wastes
No truer word have ever been spoken, I road that hype train all the way and now I regret it but next time it won't happen.
Hm well some portions of it are really shitty, the soft rubber inside is low quality and isn't held in place by anything besides gravity. The Velcro strap is haphazardly cut into that soft rubber and generally looks like ass. My old iPhone4s was a little hard to put into it with the designated foam case. The decently made portion of it the metal bit for the level strap on the bottom, you know the thing to hold it together and the switches and dials are nicely put on there (they even move!!!). Erm what else. It comes with a fancy stand which is sorta cool, sits on my shelf above my computer.
No he's not, there was several people who posted on the Bethsoft forums complaining that they had to pay over 300$ for their copy from ebay. There was even a guy saying Beth shouldn't make anymore BECAUSE he bought one off ebay
Life story right there. Put all this money up for this shitty game then I found out it was a very shitty game. So much regrets.
Ragemage
Wept for Zion
Unlike you, I loved Bethesda and all their games before FO4. They were probably one of my favorite companies. After this game I saw how flawed they truly were as a video game creator and I refuse to buy anything else from them again. Like I said before, no one knew how much of a train wreck this game was going to be. You may think you knew, but no one really knew. I mean, say what you want about Fallout 3, but at least that game gives you some choice along the lines of good and evil. In Fallout 4 you can only be a good guy or a sarcastic good guy.
I feel betrayed and scammed, but I learned a couple of lessons from this: 1, never preorder a game, even if it's by a company you loved and respected. 2, wait until reviews come out for something before buying it, no matter how much you like the company. I absolutely loved Bethesda and they destroyed my trust. Never again.
kraag
Stalwart Prick
Good on everyone who is admitting that they have been duped into purchasing a lousy product - your personal character growth from this experience should be exponential. Not much in life is harder than admitting you are wrong to a group of people you barely know.
My admiration goes out to you. And my sympathies to those who still own one of those plastic Pip-Boys.
[I was lucky enough to get a refund for the game soon after purchasing it.]
My admiration goes out to you. And my sympathies to those who still own one of those plastic Pip-Boys.
[I was lucky enough to get a refund for the game soon after purchasing it.]
Mudguy47
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Hey that's the good thing about the internet, anonymity! After I finished Fallout 4 I went on a half hour to hour rant about how shitty it was then promptly uninstalled it from my system. My sister even found out how shallow it was and she uninstalled it, she is now back to playing New Vegas.
I will keep the Pipboy as a reminder, to make sure I never buy a bethesda game ever again. Plus I paid money for it and I won't destroyed it because I would feel worse if I did.
DirtyOldShoe
Some kind of lucky
Not really, hype is hype and quality is quality, I was around for NV and didn't see much hype for it, and the collectors addition is epic. I am jealous to anyone who got one for NV.
Unlike me how? Do I know you fanboy? If you read any of my comments here you would know that I am a fan of the titles not the company. Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim are some of my favorite games. I even mentioned in a previous post that I am a modder for Skyrim so your comment isn't all that thought out. I don't like FO3 but I see that it has merit and I don't like FO4.
You sound like a baby. You bought into the hype and now your butt it hurt. FO4 is a shit game, I am as vocal as I am on here because I want Bethesda to get good again. Right now I am pissed off at them, but I was before the game came out because they started fucking with modders and players with disregard, almost like damage control for their failed mmo attempt (they are all one now Bethesda and Zenimax)
I knew and many others here did too. Anyone who knows who Emil is knew what was going to happen with this game and how shit it would be.
I'm not arguing that.
A gamer making a vow doesn't usually add up to much. You are feeling rage for them lying to you and that is a normal feeling. They can do good things, they just choose not to for some reason. It's shitty. Making vows though? And waiting on reviews? Reviews don't mean anything. It's your fault for preordering man. I'd like to say I'm sorry for you but I'm not. preordering anything is just dumb. Why do you have to be the first to get it? Most preorder things are all mass produced so it isn't like something of quality will just fall off the digital planet.
I think you need to put some blame on yourself for making the mistake of preorder. Bethesda can be a shitty lying company, but you should also be an informed consumer too, and not informed by media that is fed to you like a review, actually do some research without rose colored glasses.
Ragemage
Wept for Zion
I haven't gone through all 18 pages of this thread, so I wouldn't know that. I was basing it simply off the reply you aimed at people like me in regards to not feeling sorry for people who preordered/regret buying the game.
And you sound like an asshole. Uncalled for. On that note, you said yourself that you also bought into the hype, you said we're both schmucks. Would that not make your butt hurt as well? I hate to say it but I highly doubt Bethesda's going to "get good again". Fallout 4 is their top selling game of all time, why would they butcher the cash cow when it's making them literal millions? They've tapped into the casual gaming FPS sandbox market and I highly doubt they'll turn back. What on earth would possibly motivate them to do so now that they know people will buy anything of their's and defend it to the death to boot? Go on any Youtube video, forums page, Fallout reddit forum, etc etc and watch people defend this game to the death. It's ridiculous and Bethesda knows they can milk every penny out of these people no matter what they shell out. That wasn't a rhetorical question by the way, I genuinely want to know why you think they would want to improve when they've already found their billion dollar niche with this game?
I usually don't preorder unless it comes with some sort of exclusive preorder bonus that won't become a DLC later. In the case of Fallout 4 I only preordered it because it was 20 dollars off on GreenManGaming. If I had waited, I would have lost the deal, and so I jumped on it. Plus I trusted Bethesda to make a decent game. You said that you knew the game would be terrible the second you saw Emil was the lead writer but honestly I didn't think Skyrim or Fallout 3's stories were that bad. Of course, now that I've played through Fallout 3 again I can see all the plotholes and inconsistencies, but at the time I just thought they were decent plots. I still think Skyrim's holds up okay, at least in comparison to FO3 and FO4.
As I already said, I thought Bethesda could do no wrong. I loved all the Elder Scrolls games and I loved Fallout 3. Why would I think they'd shill me with a nonRPG FPS game instead of a Fallout game? I mean, New Vegas was 3-4 years old by the time Fallout 4 came out, I figured they'd look at how much people loved NV and its immense RP possibilities and put that in their game, especially considering New Vegas sold more copies than FO3 because of that. It seemed like the stars were aligned for this to be a great game, and then they screwed it all up. Like I already said, I learned my lesson about preordering, I won't be doing it again, but you can't really blame me for doing it when I trusted this company completely to make an epic experience. I mean, even Skyrim has more roleplaying elements than FO4. At least in that you can join an evil death cult, basically worship every single evil god the series has to offer, join a marauding gang of thieves, and so forth and so on. FO4 has so much less than I ever would have expected.
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DirtyOldShoe
Some kind of lucky
I never said that I bought into the hype. I stated I payed for the game but also knew it was going to be shit. No Hype buying from me. If Tim Cain or J.E. Were listed in the credits prior to release I would have been hyped, also I would rather not fight someone who agrees that FO4 is 5th grade potty train bullshit.
As I stated in a previous thread, it is possible to keep not all crowds, but most happy. They can keep close to lore, they can keep RPG elements, skills. Bethesda wants all the moneys, I won't buy the DLC for this shit game, but they want me to. Would they like to appeal to me as well? am I in a minority? Perhaps now, but each day that passes, Fallout 4 becomes more and more boring and even diehard fans are having doubt (Another thread) Bethesda "can" appeal to both crowds for the next title, I've seen this before. But will they? I've been around for all their 'recent' games and this one seems to have taken the most heat. I think it has a chance of being a learning lesson for them. Check out the post I made on Matt Grandstaff playing FO4 and all his disappointments that were made public.
Each game has different story writers and lead story writers, but those stories are based on the direction of the game designer or lead designer, you will see the difference here.
Skyrim Lead Designer: Bruce Nesmith
Fallout 4 Lead Designer: Emil Pagliarulo
Fallout 3 Lead Designer: Emil Pagliarulo
Emil played a part in Skyrim but was not 'in charge' of the games direction, plot or development.
Yes I can, Lead Designer: Emil Pagliarulo
I'm sorry that you got hyped and took the bait for FO4, but I'm not sorry you spent money on it because it allows you to have a valid opinion. I'm not sorry for anyone that spent money on a Emil backed gimmick, but I am sorry for not being sorry. Truce?
Ragemage
Wept for Zion
I wasn't aware Skyrim had a different head writer on it. Whenever I read about people bashing the plot to Skyrim, they always blame Emil, so I assumed he was head of it as well. Interesting. Why don't they use Bruce instead of Emil for Fallout I wonder? Especially after all the flak Fallout 3's main plot got.
To what you said in regards to them learning from their mistakes, I'm not so sure about that. They had the chance to learn from their mistakes by reading all about people comparing Fallout New Vegas to Fallout 3 and how NV was vastly superior along with multiple reasons why. Yet instead of listening to people and actually implementing ideas and story from New Vegas, they just kinda tossed everything into a shit smoothie and set it to hard blend. The only thing I can see that they took from New Vegas is the fact that 4 has 4 vying factions as well. Maybe they'll learn from this seeing as it's their lowest rated game I believe. You could be right, they might learn. Based off the new DLCs' descriptions though, I don't think they did. Not sure if you've read them or not but they concern the 2 strangest factions for a DLC set in Maine: The Synths and the Church of Atom.
I actually really hate how the Church of Atom has spread all the way to freaking Maine apparently. I mean, doesn't that completely invalidate my choice of deciding to nuke Megaton? Obviously I must not have nuked Megaton because how else would this church have spread so far? I guess Mother Curie from Broken Steel might have something to do with it but that was a splinter group from the main "church", so it would have a different name I would think.
I do accept your apology though. Truce.
DirtyOldShoe
Some kind of lucky
I've come to the conclusion that all the DLC is just cut content, and you can't really rewrite your entire game. As I mentioned in a different thread. for what they claim to be the biggest map, it would take them longer then they are saying so it is obvious the DLC is something that was completed when the game was released, they passed the point of no return on it. I will continue to be vocal about their failings in hopes that other will see and maybe we can be surprised by a good Elder Scrolls game in the future. Fallout 4 is dead.
Ragemage
Wept for Zion
They haven't really screwed up too hard on an Elder Scrolls game yet. I won't hold my breath though. I guess only time will tell huh? Apparently they're doing another E3 convention this year. I wonder what it'll be about? More lies from Todd Howard or something worth seeing?
kraag
Stalwart Prick
Maybe that's why the game is so full of bugs - they completely fucked it due to ripping out half the game to sell later on as DLC. My 2c.
Izak
I Shot The ALBATROSS
Fingers are crossed really fucking hard for a new Obsidian Fallout
and not a Fallout 4 reskin as an Elder Scrolls game 
Ragemage
Wept for Zion
Hell, you're being too nice. They probably ripped out more than that considering 1/3rd of the entire friggin map is covered in water, with nothing in the water. Not even some kind of marine life to fight. If there were giant sharks or some shit then I might at least have the slightest urge to explore the water. Exploring the oceans of Far Cry 3 was always adrenaline pumping because I never knew if there was going to be a shark or moray eel that might attack me from nowhere. Far Cry 4 made it even worse by making the rivers teem with those devil fish (man-sized piranhas). Those things scare the piss out of me. In Fallout 4 there's nothing, not even mirelurks. Just you, the open sea, and radiation.
Ragemage
Wept for Zion
I'd love to see that, but if such a thing is actually happening, I don't think they'd announce it this early. It'll probably be how it was for New Vegas, they'll wait till some/all of the DLCs are out before announcing. Considering the DLCs are gonna be released on a monthly basis until.. May I think? I guess we'll find out then. Maybe, though, after the shit storm they got from FO4, they'll announce it early, who knows?Fingers are crossed really fucking hard for a new Obsidian Fallout
DirtyOldShoe
Some kind of lucky
Doom/Wolfenstien and not TESVI I think they try to get their ES and FO fans excited to make them aware of other games they are working on that will more than likely not be good. Let's see if I called it when the time comes
Ragemage
Wept for Zion
Doom/Wolfenstien and not TESVI I think they try to get their ES and FO fans excited to make them aware of other games they are working on that will more than likely not be good. Let's see if I called it when the time comes
You're probably right about that. DOOM though? I thought they made their DOOM reboot years ago. I remember it being announced around the same time as Dishonored 1. Yeah, I don't doubt it won't be ES VI. If it is, it'll only be a very very very small glimpse, probably won't even tell us the location of it. One guy above me said he hoped it would be them announcing an Obsidian-made Fallout. Personally I hope it's them announcing they're selling the license to Obsidian, lol.